| Enough is enough 12:20 - Apr 30 with 6740 views | Professor |
I was one of those who complained to Keith, not about a specific post but due too the consistent posting of conspiracy theories and material which is sailing very close to the wind in terms of extreme right wing politics. I would equally complain if this were extreme left-wing promoting violence, anti-semitism etc.
I am sick of misogyny, xenophobia, thinly veiled racism and name calling. There is a clear right-wing cabal, who circle with material of some legitimate and some dubious sources-including some downright lies. We are all entitled to an opinion, but it clearly laughable to suggest there is a left-wing cabal. There are a few 'true' left wingers on here with strong convictions in their beliefs, but most of are us sit in a spectrum between the politics of Thatcherism and moderate socialism. Yet to express this view makes one a left, marxist, bullshitter and the other names tossed my way in recent months. Funny really as someone who believes in private enterprise and capitalism, albeit tempered with equality of opportunity. I am a Labour Party member, though left for a period under Corbyn's leadership as I considered this beyond my line of acceptability-so, yes I guess I site somewhere around the Blair/Brown degree of 'socialism'-or a Red Tory. I support the police, but equally will criticise where they blunder. That's how we can help improve policing. I'm not particularly 'woke' but dislike racism, homophobia and sexism. I equally have issues with over use of positive discrimination. Like all of us I have contradictions.
Life is too short and precious to carry on arguing with those so far down a rabbit hole that the sunlight of humanity no longer reaches them. So thanks to those who have made my laugh, think and open up new discoveries-not exhaustively but Cattulus, Scotia, the late Fiery Jack, Gwyn, Chad, Joe Bradshaw, Lisa and Lohengrin-it's been a pleasure. Pikey-keep it up, your posts make me smile and Felixtowe-thanks for your commitment to updating the vaccine data.
Keith-good luck and thanks for your work on here the last year.
As Bugs Bunny says
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| Enough is enough on 12:44 - May 1 with 1031 views | oldtownjack |
| Enough is enough on 09:56 - May 1 by onehunglow |
It could be
Left is good
Right is bad.
That is a clear mantra on thi site.
Some,like me, just wont have it as I won't be pigeonholed.
If some want to be classed left/right,good or vile,then its their problem.
Get a grip people as this site is suffering. |
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| Enough is enough on 12:45 - May 1 with 1028 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Enough is enough on 12:39 - May 1 by Catullus |
What conflicts or issues were there during Trumps time?
You could argue him withdrawing troops was likely to cause future problems. His America was becoming insular yet at the same time his rhetoric was ripping the USA apart.
Then there's Russia, always a challenge,
https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/why-are-us-russia-relations-so-c
I notice you have again commented about what you think "most sensible people" believe politicaly. That is juts your opinion. There are plenty of sensible people who aren't right wing, they may be laef or firmly in the centre but they are there. |
Exactly, that's my point. He didn't create any conflicts. He resolved the North Korean crisis and brought peace treaties to the Middle East. To suggest he was anything other than good for world peace is just wrong.
As of ''most sensible people'', I can't imagine most sensible people want to defund the police or be professionally offended... its a pretty obvious observation. |  |
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| Enough is enough on 12:46 - May 1 with 1022 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Enough is enough on 16:27 - Apr 30 by KeithHaynes |
All,I can say to the prof is stick to the football forum, it’s ok in the main. Your posts are from an experienced pint of view regards many things, to lose that input would be a great shame. |
Stick to the Football forum?
Would you care to remind posters when was the last time prof posted on the football forum and what it was about? He probably does his football posting on the other site.
I am amazed that you haven't realised that basically prof is a political and medical poster with general subjects thrown in.
So he is basically no loss to the football forum (odd for a fan) and a great loss to the political, medical & general posts despite his moaning. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:50]
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| Enough is enough on 12:52 - May 1 with 1006 views | Catullus |
| Enough is enough on 12:45 - May 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
Exactly, that's my point. He didn't create any conflicts. He resolved the North Korean crisis and brought peace treaties to the Middle East. To suggest he was anything other than good for world peace is just wrong.
As of ''most sensible people'', I can't imagine most sensible people want to defund the police or be professionally offended... its a pretty obvious observation. |
Are you suggesting all non right wing people want to defund the police then? Are all non right wing people professionally offended.
That's a startling generalisation typical of how you denigrate any who don't agree with you. You don't throw mindless insults around but you do post strings of negative and generally derogatory coments aimed at those who challenge you.
Making the USa more isolationist, not really good for world peace, arguing and insulting NATO members (even though he had a genuine point to make) not really good.
Interesting that you didn't deny he was ripping the USA apart, though you probably will do now I've mentioned it. | |
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| Enough is enough on 12:59 - May 1 with 980 views | trampie |
| Enough is enough on 12:46 - May 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
Stick to the Football forum?
Would you care to remind posters when was the last time prof posted on the football forum and what it was about? He probably does his football posting on the other site.
I am amazed that you haven't realised that basically prof is a political and medical poster with general subjects thrown in.
So he is basically no loss to the football forum (odd for a fan) and a great loss to the political, medical & general posts despite his moaning. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:50]
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I seem to remember he was very interested when I posted about the history of Wigan FC, what with Scotland and rugby league etc. |  |
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| Enough is enough on 13:07 - May 1 with 958 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Enough is enough on 12:52 - May 1 by Catullus |
Are you suggesting all non right wing people want to defund the police then? Are all non right wing people professionally offended.
That's a startling generalisation typical of how you denigrate any who don't agree with you. You don't throw mindless insults around but you do post strings of negative and generally derogatory coments aimed at those who challenge you.
Making the USa more isolationist, not really good for world peace, arguing and insulting NATO members (even though he had a genuine point to make) not really good.
Interesting that you didn't deny he was ripping the USA apart, though you probably will do now I've mentioned it. |
Huh? You seem to have changed what I said. Not sure how you have taken that and come to the conclusion you have.
I said....
''The views shared on here that are clumsily called ''right wing'' are often the views held by most sensible people on the planet I would have thought. Are they not?
I can't think of too many people that want to defund the police, find racism in everything and pretend they see a whole host of offensive nonsense when it doesn't exist. That ironically tends to be a cabal of people usually found on the internet.''
So that ''startling generalisation'' only seems to have been created in your head.
What do you mean I ''haven't denied him ripping apart the US''? I haven't discussed it have I, the point made by the other poster was regarding the ''world being a safer place'' nothing to do with domestic issues.
Like many things, you don't every seem to grasp the discussion before jumping in. Which is why you jump to so many conclusions that just don't represent the discussion at all.
Its a shame. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:09]
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| Enough is enough on 13:16 - May 1 with 932 views | onehunglow |
| Enough is enough on 12:19 - May 1 by jack_lord |
You are certainly more right than left Rich.
You don't jump down the neck of any of the right wing posts. |
Ok then Jase.When we can define what is exactly right wing I will.
You might have missed my remarks about our monarchy,colonial past and Boris' mishandling of parts of this covid show.
I aint going to rip into you though for your view you hold.No way.
They are not many of your sort left on here so take that a a compliment from a rightie. | |
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| Enough is enough on 13:19 - May 1 with 934 views | Catullus |
| Enough is enough on 13:07 - May 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
Huh? You seem to have changed what I said. Not sure how you have taken that and come to the conclusion you have.
I said....
''The views shared on here that are clumsily called ''right wing'' are often the views held by most sensible people on the planet I would have thought. Are they not?
I can't think of too many people that want to defund the police, find racism in everything and pretend they see a whole host of offensive nonsense when it doesn't exist. That ironically tends to be a cabal of people usually found on the internet.''
So that ''startling generalisation'' only seems to have been created in your head.
What do you mean I ''haven't denied him ripping apart the US''? I haven't discussed it have I, the point made by the other poster was regarding the ''world being a safer place'' nothing to do with domestic issues.
Like many things, you don't every seem to grasp the discussion before jumping in. Which is why you jump to so many conclusions that just don't represent the discussion at all.
Its a shame. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:09]
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It's only in your head that they are "clumsily called" because, even though you keep denying it, your views are considered right wing.
You have been a supporter of Trump all through, you stood by him, you defended him, you promoted his views, he is right wing. There's people on here who call me right wing and in some respects they are right and you are definitely on the right of me.
It's not clumsy to call right wing views, right wing. | |
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| Enough is enough on 13:27 - May 1 with 910 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Enough is enough on 13:19 - May 1 by Catullus |
It's only in your head that they are "clumsily called" because, even though you keep denying it, your views are considered right wing.
You have been a supporter of Trump all through, you stood by him, you defended him, you promoted his views, he is right wing. There's people on here who call me right wing and in some respects they are right and you are definitely on the right of me.
It's not clumsy to call right wing views, right wing. |
You are now doing what you incorrectly accused me of, which is ironic considering you literally just moaned about it.
You are now saying backing the police and not wanting them defunded is ''right wing'' and you are also now saying that ''not being professionally offended'' is right wing. How are they right wing views exactly?
Seems awfully clumsy to me.
As for Trump, I have defended him when he required defending, I have criticised him when he required criticising. That's what being sensible allows you to do... but yes I absolutely think he was the best candidate on offer, still do.
Although as for ''promoting his views'', I haven't promoted anybody's views other than my own. Discussed his views maybe, but certainly not promoted them. Which ones are you referring to?
Remember you made a similar claim on the last thread and even though we are no great chums the Prof had to put you right regarding what you were claiming about me. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about me recently, which is a shame because its making you post some seriously silly and inaccurate things.
Do you even know what my political views are? I bet you don’t. Will happily discuss them if you want to ask me about them. May make sense instead of keeping guessing and being wrong. Just a thought. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:36]
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| Enough is enough on 13:49 - May 1 with 869 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Enough is enough on 13:27 - May 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
You are now doing what you incorrectly accused me of, which is ironic considering you literally just moaned about it.
You are now saying backing the police and not wanting them defunded is ''right wing'' and you are also now saying that ''not being professionally offended'' is right wing. How are they right wing views exactly?
Seems awfully clumsy to me.
As for Trump, I have defended him when he required defending, I have criticised him when he required criticising. That's what being sensible allows you to do... but yes I absolutely think he was the best candidate on offer, still do.
Although as for ''promoting his views'', I haven't promoted anybody's views other than my own. Discussed his views maybe, but certainly not promoted them. Which ones are you referring to?
Remember you made a similar claim on the last thread and even though we are no great chums the Prof had to put you right regarding what you were claiming about me. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about me recently, which is a shame because its making you post some seriously silly and inaccurate things.
Do you even know what my political views are? I bet you don’t. Will happily discuss them if you want to ask me about them. May make sense instead of keeping guessing and being wrong. Just a thought. [Post edited 1 May 2021 13:36]
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Nobody is allowed to defend Trump, "orange man bad" don't you know?
Those with TDS refuse to acknowledge the good things he has done, or the lies, mis-quotes and misinformation put out by the MSM.
When you point them out they resort to "I am not interested in what goes on in the the US or their politics". | | | |
| Enough is enough on 18:56 - May 1 with 778 views | jack_lord |
| Enough is enough on 13:16 - May 1 by onehunglow |
Ok then Jase.When we can define what is exactly right wing I will.
You might have missed my remarks about our monarchy,colonial past and Boris' mishandling of parts of this covid show.
I aint going to rip into you though for your view you hold.No way.
They are not many of your sort left on here so take that a a compliment from a rightie. |
Rich,
I rarely rip in to the view other people have and I expect the same .
I am merely pointing out that you do seem to have a go, quite a lot, at the Labour party, left wing views etc. I know you have had a go at Boris but if you go back through posts you will see a pattern.
It is fine for people to have their view, politically, especially when they can back it up with real facts.
I am not ripping in to you, I'm just pointing out that you are more right than left. I have left of centre views because of the way I feel it is best to run the country as a whole.
There are selfish lazy gits who are more likely to vote Labour (if they can be arsed to vote) because they know they are more likely to be helped by a Government of that sort. There are mega rich guys who cant stick the idea of a Labour Government because they may well get taxed more. Because of those disparities we need a government to stop social breakdown although it has already gone too far and, hence my dream to escape to the sun and solitude, but I fear the brexit vote may have stopped my wish. |  |
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| Enough is enough on 19:31 - May 1 with 747 views | onehunglow |
| Enough is enough on 18:56 - May 1 by jack_lord |
Rich,
I rarely rip in to the view other people have and I expect the same .
I am merely pointing out that you do seem to have a go, quite a lot, at the Labour party, left wing views etc. I know you have had a go at Boris but if you go back through posts you will see a pattern.
It is fine for people to have their view, politically, especially when they can back it up with real facts.
I am not ripping in to you, I'm just pointing out that you are more right than left. I have left of centre views because of the way I feel it is best to run the country as a whole.
There are selfish lazy gits who are more likely to vote Labour (if they can be arsed to vote) because they know they are more likely to be helped by a Government of that sort. There are mega rich guys who cant stick the idea of a Labour Government because they may well get taxed more. Because of those disparities we need a government to stop social breakdown although it has already gone too far and, hence my dream to escape to the sun and solitude, but I fear the brexit vote may have stopped my wish. |
I always enjoy exchanges with you Jase.HONEST.
Rippin in is a subjective term .i do. Others so.No harm in that.
Where you score highly is not INSULTING people.There is a huge difference between ripping into someone over their texts and simply calling them "creatures" or vile or scum. Ive never know you to be anything other than respectful.So well done you.
You are left wing Labour. I am Independent,whatever you or others might thinks.
I have xtreme left view which I could show you one day as its in print and also right wing views as regards Law and order and punishment and how we deal with life's malingerers.
Make no mitake,I respect you both as a man and a poster,but that was the case with e paul so we cannot foreee what the future holds. I remaon upset over Paul and how he was turned . He's a good guy. And pass on my best wishes to him and Dawn. I don't need that to be reciprocated either. I am comfortable within myself | |
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| Enough is enough on 10:40 - May 2 with 668 views | controversial_jack |
| Enough is enough on 13:49 - May 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
Nobody is allowed to defend Trump, "orange man bad" don't you know?
Those with TDS refuse to acknowledge the good things he has done, or the lies, mis-quotes and misinformation put out by the MSM.
When you point them out they resort to "I am not interested in what goes on in the the US or their politics". |
Trump was in the pocket of Putin, big time. | | | |
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