| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn 18:07 - Sep 13 with 2136 views | 73_Symonds_Yat |
Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates now admits Britain's science and tech firms will BOOM after Brexit.
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 18:59 - Sep 13 with 1334 views | Private_Partz |
And a Brexit blogger on the National News is now absolutely terrified at the way the negotiations are going. |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:08 - Sep 13 with 1269 views | Kilkennyjack |
David davis is a simpleton. Happy to help. [Post edited 13 Sep 2017 20:11]
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:50 - Sep 13 with 1223 views | Dr_Winston |
Nobody has the first f*cking idea what will definitely happen after Brexit. Not Bill Gates, not Richard Branson, Not Tony Blair, nobody. They're all guessing. |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:21 - Sep 13 with 1164 views | Private_Partz |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:50 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody has the first f*cking idea what will definitely happen after Brexit. Not Bill Gates, not Richard Branson, Not Tony Blair, nobody. They're all guessing. |
True. Nothing surprises me anymore.
However turning your back on the biggest market in the world, one that will also be competeing with us for the markets we hope to replace it, does seem a tad bonkers to me.
Fortunately the hard Brexit the Tories seem to have been pursuing is now looking less likely as each day passes. It might even bring the Government down which would be a great double whammy. ;-) | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:26 - Sep 13 with 1157 views | Private_Partz |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:08 - Sep 13 by Kilkennyjack |
David davis is a simpleton. Happy to help. [Post edited 13 Sep 2017 20:11]
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Lazy complacent git who is excellent at covering his own ass I would say. I know they are in different parties but he seems like he was separated at birth from Carwyn Jones. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:30 - Sep 13 with 1147 views | Dr_Winston |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:21 - Sep 13 by Private_Partz |
True. Nothing surprises me anymore.
However turning your back on the biggest market in the world, one that will also be competeing with us for the markets we hope to replace it, does seem a tad bonkers to me.
Fortunately the hard Brexit the Tories seem to have been pursuing is now looking less likely as each day passes. It might even bring the Government down which would be a great double whammy. ;-) |
We won't be turning our back on the single market. We will retain access to that, although no doubt at a higher price than we should be paying given the current trade deficit with it.
As for the markets to replace it, I can't see a downside to being free to negotiate trade deals with the 6.5bn people who aren't in the EU. A deal with India alone would give us access to a market consisting of twice as many people as the EU. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:43 - Sep 13 with 1121 views | longlostjack |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:30 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
We won't be turning our back on the single market. We will retain access to that, although no doubt at a higher price than we should be paying given the current trade deficit with it.
As for the markets to replace it, I can't see a downside to being free to negotiate trade deals with the 6.5bn people who aren't in the EU. A deal with India alone would give us access to a market consisting of twice as many people as the EU. |
I'd wager the EU representing 27 countries could do better trade deals than the UK acting alone. I may be wrong though and there really is a long line of countries desperate to do quick trade deals on the UK's terms. |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:48 - Sep 13 with 1115 views | Dr_Winston |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:43 - Sep 13 by longlostjack |
I'd wager the EU representing 27 countries could do better trade deals than the UK acting alone. I may be wrong though and there really is a long line of countries desperate to do quick trade deals on the UK's terms. |
Would an organisation that had to get the agreement of 27 member nations really be able to do a better deal than one nation acting on its own?
It took the best part of four years for the EU to even get to the beginnings of a deal with Canada, and the Poles may still nix that. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:00 - Sep 13 with 1104 views | LeonWasGod |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:50 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody has the first f*cking idea what will definitely happen after Brexit. Not Bill Gates, not Richard Branson, Not Tony Blair, nobody. They're all guessing. |
I do, we'll leave the EU.
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:01 - Sep 13 with 1103 views | longlostjack |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:48 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Would an organisation that had to get the agreement of 27 member nations really be able to do a better deal than one nation acting on its own?
It took the best part of four years for the EU to even get to the beginnings of a deal with Canada, and the Poles may still nix that. |
True, there's always a bit of horse trading but I'd much prefer being a part of a strong EU standing firm on matters of principle than succumbing to deals that allow companies like Monsanto to run roughshod over consumer interests. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:03 - Sep 13 with 1100 views | Dr_Winston |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:01 - Sep 13 by longlostjack |
True, there's always a bit of horse trading but I'd much prefer being a part of a strong EU standing firm on matters of principle than succumbing to deals that allow companies like Monsanto to run roughshod over consumer interests. |
The mistake you've made there is to assume that anyone in power within the EU gives a shit about principle. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:08 - Sep 13 with 1094 views | LeonWasGod |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 22:48 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Would an organisation that had to get the agreement of 27 member nations really be able to do a better deal than one nation acting on its own?
It took the best part of four years for the EU to even get to the beginnings of a deal with Canada, and the Poles may still nix that. |
quicker doesn't necessarily mean better though, shirley? I'd have thought the larger market of the EU would make them more attractive to other countries, even if it takes an eternity to do the deals. | | | |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:13 - Sep 13 with 1087 views | Dr_Winston |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:08 - Sep 13 by LeonWasGod |
quicker doesn't necessarily mean better though, shirley? I'd have thought the larger market of the EU would make them more attractive to other countries, even if it takes an eternity to do the deals. |
If an organisation is taking years to agree a trade deal with a nation of less than 40m people then yeah, quicker does mean better.
For the record I'm not averse to the idea of an EU. A community of nations working together for their own self betterment is a great idea. It's just a pity that the concept has been hiijacked by politicians and empire builders intent on creating something that I believe that the majority of people they're supposed to be representing don't want. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 06:41 - Sep 14 with 993 views | longlostjack |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 23:03 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
The mistake you've made there is to assume that anyone in power within the EU gives a shit about principle. |
Enlightened self-interest then if you prefer. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 07:13 - Sep 14 with 972 views | Kilkennyjack |
Greece now growing faster than UK.
Well done feckwits. | |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 07:15 - Sep 14 with 968 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:50 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody has the first f*cking idea what will definitely happen after Brexit. Not Bill Gates, not Richard Branson, Not Tony Blair, nobody. They're all guessing. |
Blair doesn't guess
He just lies |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:17 - Sep 14 with 911 views | AnotherJohn |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 07:13 - Sep 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Greece now growing faster than UK.
Well done feckwits. |
Greece isn't exactly a socialist paradise. After several years when the long-term unemployed and others with no social health insurance could only get medical treatment by paying, the government is only now talking about restoring universal coverage healthcare. Neo-liberal austerity policies really had an impact there. [Post edited 14 Sep 2017 10:19]
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:35 - Sep 14 with 883 views | Professor |
I have yet to meet a scientist who supports Brexit. It may benefit industry but is likely to significantly erode the science base in the UK. For all his faults George Osborne understood the need for a strong science base. Spreadsheet Phil and the PM have no understanding. | | | |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:51 - Sep 14 with 867 views | sherpajacob |
We are taking back control and everything will be fine.
We just need the German car industry to successfully lobby their own government. |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:57 - Sep 14 with 861 views | Loyal |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 20:50 - Sep 13 by Dr_Winston |
Nobody has the first f*cking idea what will definitely happen after Brexit. Not Bill Gates, not Richard Branson, Not Tony Blair, nobody. They're all guessing. |
I have a sneaking suspicion that regardless of what happens The Ramones will still remain a pretty decent but never to reform band. |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:58 - Sep 14 with 862 views | Mo_Wives |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 09:35 - Sep 14 by Professor |
I have yet to meet a scientist who supports Brexit. It may benefit industry but is likely to significantly erode the science base in the UK. For all his faults George Osborne understood the need for a strong science base. Spreadsheet Phil and the PM have no understanding. |
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE SCIENCE! |  |
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 10:14 - Sep 14 with 847 views | Batterseajack |
Fair play, i will listen to the likes of Bill Gates on issues like this. His opinion carries a lot more weight than the likes of Liam Fox, Farage, Gove and BoJo. What was the content of the interview and why does he think Brexit will be a success? I've only seen the headlines saying that he's changed his mind and endorses it. | | | |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 11:23 - Sep 14 with 777 views | sherpajacob |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 10:14 - Sep 14 by Batterseajack |
Fair play, i will listen to the likes of Bill Gates on issues like this. His opinion carries a lot more weight than the likes of Liam Fox, Farage, Gove and BoJo. What was the content of the interview and why does he think Brexit will be a success? I've only seen the headlines saying that he's changed his mind and endorses it. |
Go behind the headlines, in a telegraph interview he didn't say The UK will lead the way, he said they can continue to lead the way providing the same level of funding is continued and talent is still attracted post brexit.
This has come about because the UK has apparently agreed to continue EU funding in this area, which has angered many Tory MPs.
He said he was due to meet Theresa May but the meeting was cancelled because of the general election.
Its not a ringing endorsement , its a let's see what happens and if the money continues?
the transcript:-
TELEGRAPH: You mentioned about the UK's commitments. In April you were in London and you spoke at RUSI and you were urging Theresa May to continue with the UK's current spending. Do you believe that you've convinced her?
BILL GATES: Well, I wouldn't take any credit for the generosity of the UK government and the taxpayers. We're super happy to have the UK as a partner, super-big partner in GAVI, super-big partner in Global Fund, super-big partner in polio. You know, it's amazing. GAVI actually starting with labor governments, but then continuing into conservative governments, has actually been the most generous to Global Alliance for Vaccines. We're the second-most, the US is the third. You know? And that's a super successful endeavor.
I was glad to be in the UK that week where, you know, the question hung in the balance, and I could say, "Look, you have a lot to be proud of here."
TELEGRAPH: Sure.
BILL GATES: This stuff is spent more wisely over time. You know, a lot of key issues like HIV and malaria hang in the balance where the UK has made a big contribution. As you think about your role in a post-Brexit situation, I hope this will still maintain a priority.
TELEGRAPH: Yes.
BILL GATES: But, you know, most of my dialogue is - I had actually a lot of people in the cabinet that I've talked to, I haven't had a direct conversation with the prime minister yet.
TELEGRAPH: Not at all?
BILL GATES: No. I was scheduled to, but then the whole notion of the early election -
TELEGRAPH: Yes.
BILL GATES: - that decision got made I think about three days or four days - maybe a week before I came.
TELEGRAPH: Right. Right.
STAFF: Just a few days.
BILL GATES: Yeah. It was very close.
STAFF: You were in Geneva.
BILL GATES: So understandably, now, you know, I got to meet with the chancellor, I actually had a dinner I think with five different members of the cabinet. So I feel like both in the parliament and the cabinet, I get lots of hearing. You know, we spend a lot of time at DFID because they're more into the particulars.
TELEGRAPH: In your letter to the Times, you wrote - you made an eloquent case against Brexit and said that it would be a significantly less-attractive place to do business and voiced concerns about attracting funding for research, which was so important. Do you think that those fears have been borne out?
BILL GATES: Well, we haven't had Brexit. So nobody knows in terms of things like the European Union science budget, where the UK, because of the excellence of the science and institutions -
TELEGRAPH: Absolutely.
BILL GATES: - like Liverpool, London School, you know, Cambridge, Oxford. You know, we have a dozen institutions in the UK where on a pure global basis, we're giving massive amounts of R&D money to them.
TELEGRAPH: Yes.
BILL GATES: Because they're the best at doing lots of this important work.
TELEGRAPH: So would you consider cutting that as a result of Brexit?
BILL GATES: Well, we're always looking at the quality of those institutions. And so it'll be interesting to see in terms of, you know, go to the London School and you'll meet lots of people from continental Europe. You know, they're there, it's easy for them to come there. You'll see lots of grants that get them to critical mass that come out of the European budget.
When you look at drug approvals, the fact that the European Union has a single regulator that's unified, that's been fantastic both for thecountries involved and for getting medicines approved for developing countries.
And so it's still up in the air. Does that sort of drug approval process maintain the quality and efficiency it has? Does the R&D spending where the UK's a net beneficiary, does that both in terms of the resources and being able to pool a lot of great people up at these UK locations, does that get affected? You know, we won't know for some time.
TELEGRAPH: Right. Right.
BILL GATES: And, obviously, people are going to try and - you know, when I saw the chancellor, he was very keen that they would minimize any of those things, but there's a lot of unanswered questions.
TELEGRAPH: Would you consider relocating the headquarters of the Gates Foundation if you want to be in Europe and London is no longer a city in the EU?
BILL GATES: Well, our staffing in London, although they're great people, it's not like some huge operation. We can get you the number, it's like 30 or 40 people.
TELEGRAPH: Right, okay.
BILL GATES: And we have some people in Germany and some people in France. You know, we've had most our people in Europe and London, that's worked out super well for us. DFID is our single most important relationship. We have very good relationships in France and Germany and Norway and Sweden. You know, actually, Europe as a donor is the most generous and that's been super important.
You know, we have the bulk of our people - directly employed people are here. So our impact is much more direct where institutions are competing to say, okay, we can create a malaria vaccine. You know? So Adrian Hill at Oxford, you know, he gets money from lots of places, including the UK government, for his work. It's really world-class work. You know, go look at his team. It's a multi-national team, it's a real resource.
TELEGRAPH: Sure.
BILL GATES: So if there's a diminution in UK science, which I'm not predicting there would be, but you have some challenges to overcome to make sure that doesn't happen. Over time, those institutions might compete less effectively for that R&D money. They compete very effectively today in our livestock work, which is up in Edinburgh, a lot of that. You know, our drug work, our bed net work. I actually visited with the previous chancellor, Liverpool, and went and saw some of the great work going on there.
TELEGRAPH: You said in 2015 in The Atlantic in an interview, you said that if you were not bringing the math skills to the problem, then representative democracy is the problem. And yet, you have a president who is -- seems to not put much faith in science and in the facts which are presented before him. Do you believe that representative democracy is a problem? Or are you encouraged by congress, as you were saying?
BILL GATES: Well, people often say it's a very imperfect system. And it's even more imperfect in practice than it is on paper.
On paper, its design is to make sure that if somebody's really doing a bad job, that they're replaceable and that you can have as much continuity as possible, that is you don't want to have to use force, you want to just use voting to be able to replace the government.
So democracy is never perfect. Some people would say it's particularly imperfect right now. But, you know, it is a system when, you know, Madison and others designed it, it's a system that's not supposed to require always making perfect choices. And so the distribution of power is where the congress gets to control the budget, and that's a collective set of people. You know, we see some of the checks and balances working here. And we're going to have a lot of administrations. The problems we're working on are not four-year problems. These are -
TELEGRAPH: Yes.
BILL GATES: - 20-year-type problems. Malaria eradication in the best case is a 20-year problem. Now, we have some that we're approaching the end of like polio eradication that, hopefully in the next four years we are getting that done, and that's why even the slight budget cut that was there was kind of surprising to us, because the consensus behind, hey, let's really get that job done, is actually very strong, whether it's the U.S. voter or members of Rotary or the international coalition that we have.
So, you know, we're going to have to explain the value of our work to lots of administrations. Some people are surprised that the greatest aid increase came under a republican administration. And we'll do our best to work with all administrations, you know, some people say, "No, you shouldn't." But, you know, as long as there's a certain level of engagement and that's where these budget decisions get made, you know, we'll try and get our input in on those issues. You know? And we'll see what happens.
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if you can find the OP assertion in the above, well done.
"Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates now admits Britain's science and tech firms will BOOM after Brexit. "
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 11:54 - Sep 14 with 714 views | Batterseajack |
Looks like the Op can't see beyond the Sun headline. Surprise!
So britain can still lead the way in science and tech after brexit as long as we either retain EU funding in this sector, or Britain replaces that funding, and we can still attract the top talent from our own shores and from Europe. [Post edited 14 Sep 2017 11:58]
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| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 12:22 - Sep 14 with 686 views | Professor |
| Bill Gates and his Brexit U-turn on 11:54 - Sep 14 by Batterseajack |
Looks like the Op can't see beyond the Sun headline. Surprise!
So britain can still lead the way in science and tech after brexit as long as we either retain EU funding in this sector, or Britain replaces that funding, and we can still attract the top talent from our own shores and from Europe. [Post edited 14 Sep 2017 11:58]
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Bill Gates is someone I have a lot of time for. I am pleased to see that the headline is rather misappropriated. I had the pleasure to hear Bill speak about the work of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation in combatting major infectious disease issues last year in Boston. As you say Battersea, the UK does very well in EU science funding, as we are the best in Europe and better than the US on a 'pound-for-pound" basis. Given Trump has slashed science support in the US, there is opportunity if we maintain funding levels (which as I said George Osborne tried to do). There is a consultation on whether we continue to be involved and financially support EU funding and the European Research Council or whether this funding goes in to the UK pot. I think maintaining the same level through the latter is unlikely and some of the larger projects such as the work at CERN need multinational input.
The problem is people generally don't understand how science works as politics and media is dominated by arts and humanities graduates. Hence babble and pseudoscience are often take as fact. | | | |
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