| Blackburn Reflection 17:41 - Feb 14 with 17947 views | bluenwhite10 |
A really bad performance against a really poor side.
Started well and played some lovely football for the 1st 10-15 mins, maybe overplayed a bit for the perfect goal, but unfortunately it is a 90mins games and the rest was poor.
All the goals came from mistakes and poor goals to let in.
Saito, Dunne, very poor, with Bennie looking maybe unfairly out of his depth, but the injury crisis dictates the options and the line up and the changes as the bench looked weak today.
Ending up with a midfield 4 of Vale, Smyth, Morgan, Saito is not going to win you games but it is what it is.
Surprised Stephen did not change it earlier, by bringing in Kolli earlier and go for 2 up to top.
Smyth needs to stop giving away cheap fouls.
Another strange one today was against Coventry when they had a corner we kept 3 up, but when we went 3-1 down we brought everybody back which baffled me a bit
In summary poor performance and a missed opportunity to push for the play offs against a really poor side.
Hope Madsen injury is not serious as that will be a massive miss as most good things go through him.
MOM …can’t honestly pick one.
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| Blackburn Reflection on 21:17 - Feb 14 with 2236 views | ted_hendrix |
I'd give Kone the benefit of the doubt, he's a young Lad learning his trade, unfortunately we need someone up front who's not here to learn his trade.
Were not a training scheme. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 21:21 - Feb 14 with 2213 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
They played a mobile ST against our two immobile CBs with the inevitable result. Some on here have been calling for Edwards to be played as CB and were accused of being disrespectful to Cook. Yeah, OK.
There was one point in the 1st half when Edwards broke the line and played it inside to Cook who duely hoofed it 30 yards to them. Its just brain dead football.
Saito is not strong enough for the Championship and should never have been signed. I thought Blackburn did a number on him today.
For the first time I thought JS got everything wrong today. The starting lineup and the subs were both poor. Pressure building on him now. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 21:35 - Feb 14 with 2110 views | stevec |
9 points from 9 games, second half of season, borderline relegation form.
Basically, we’ve been sussed. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:37 - Feb 14 with 2102 views | Paddyhoops |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:17 - Feb 14 by ted_hendrix |
I'd give Kone the benefit of the doubt, he's a young Lad learning his trade, unfortunately we need someone up front who's not here to learn his trade.
Were not a training scheme. |
Spot on Ted . He’s our only fit out and out striker and is being flogged to death at the moment.
He wasn’t great today but I still think he’ll end up with 10 goals or more .
Not bad for his first season .
He got little or no service today . | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:41 - Feb 14 with 2083 views | PhilmyRs |
| Blackburn Reflection on 20:04 - Feb 14 by 1JD |
“Kone seems to be getting worse”.
Not sure I’ve ever seen it. He must be living off those early goals with the fan base, because overall, he’s been poor ever since. Lyndon Dykes was a better hold up striker, and that’s saying something.
All I see is a half-arsed jog to close defenders down, a regular token jump with defenders - with little-to-no attempt to win the ball- and a supposed hold-up game that rarely sticks. I’m not sure what he’s actually good at. |
The last home game Kone was MOTM? People raving about him being much better in his favoured number 9 role etc. Now I know we’re all annoyed, but come on, have some balance to what you say. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:46 - Feb 14 with 2056 views | 1JD |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:41 - Feb 14 by PhilmyRs |
The last home game Kone was MOTM? People raving about him being much better in his favoured number 9 role etc. Now I know we’re all annoyed, but come on, have some balance to what you say. |
Nope. Been pretty consistent with my thoughts on Kone. He’s been poor. And yes, that particular home game he was excellent. So it does appear to be there, but it’s extremely infrequent, and his hold up play is very poor. Like Saito, he loses it for fun, and does not get under control frequently enough. One of the big reasons this team cannot retain possession. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:04 - Feb 14 with 1977 views | PhilmyRs |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:46 - Feb 14 by 1JD |
Nope. Been pretty consistent with my thoughts on Kone. He’s been poor. And yes, that particular home game he was excellent. So it does appear to be there, but it’s extremely infrequent, and his hold up play is very poor. Like Saito, he loses it for fun, and does not get under control frequently enough. One of the big reasons this team cannot retain possession. |
But are you judging Kone’s “early performances” playing in an unfamiliar role behind the 9, or on the small sample size where he’s been the main man, the number 9? As a number 9, Kone is decent, as a number 10, dropping deep and trying to be a bit clever with the ball which doesn’t suit his skill-set, he’s not great. Next season, played in the right position, he’ll score a lot of goals for Rangers. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:25 - Feb 14 with 1886 views | 1JD |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:04 - Feb 14 by PhilmyRs |
But are you judging Kone’s “early performances” playing in an unfamiliar role behind the 9, or on the small sample size where he’s been the main man, the number 9? As a number 9, Kone is decent, as a number 10, dropping deep and trying to be a bit clever with the ball which doesn’t suit his skill-set, he’s not great. Next season, played in the right position, he’ll score a lot of goals for Rangers. |
I’m reviewing him based on his hold up / target man play, because that is meant to be the type of striker he is. And his back to goal game doesnt change much in the 10 or 9, based on his profile and what the team needs from him, and he is being asked to do.
You still need the ability to take the ball out of the air, hold off defenders, beat your man to the ball, and lay it off more often than not.
And it’s been pretty clear for some time, that he is weak at it. He loses the ball or fails to retain the ball with alarming regularity. It’s extremely frustrating, as he has shown he can do it. But then so could Lyndon Dykes in fits and spurts, too. | | | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 22:30 - Feb 14 with 1867 views | baz_qpr |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:25 - Feb 14 by 1JD |
I’m reviewing him based on his hold up / target man play, because that is meant to be the type of striker he is. And his back to goal game doesnt change much in the 10 or 9, based on his profile and what the team needs from him, and he is being asked to do.
You still need the ability to take the ball out of the air, hold off defenders, beat your man to the ball, and lay it off more often than not.
And it’s been pretty clear for some time, that he is weak at it. He loses the ball or fails to retain the ball with alarming regularity. It’s extremely frustrating, as he has shown he can do it. But then so could Lyndon Dykes in fits and spurts, too. |
He's been. excellent the last few games, today he was very poor |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:31 - Feb 14 with 1859 views | EN_Ranger |
| Blackburn Reflection on 18:21 - Feb 14 by essextaxiboy |
On the basis of today’s performance there is something in that . Promotion would mean most of those players would move on or be bit part players . They played like they didn’t want to push upwards but just see out the season .. pathetic |
Or they’re just not that good, mid table championship players get mid table results. I’m still ok with this season as it is slight progress but this team (especially with injuries) are not going to get us in the top 6 | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:33 - Feb 14 with 1844 views | EN_Ranger |
| Blackburn Reflection on 20:04 - Feb 14 by 1JD |
“Kone seems to be getting worse”.
Not sure I’ve ever seen it. He must be living off those early goals with the fan base, because overall, he’s been poor ever since. Lyndon Dykes was a better hold up striker, and that’s saying something.
All I see is a half-arsed jog to close defenders down, a regular token jump with defenders - with little-to-no attempt to win the ball- and a supposed hold-up game that rarely sticks. I’m not sure what he’s actually good at. |
Dykes better than Kone? Come off it | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:52 - Feb 14 with 1786 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:17 - Feb 14 by ted_hendrix |
I'd give Kone the benefit of the doubt, he's a young Lad learning his trade, unfortunately we need someone up front who's not here to learn his trade.
Were not a training scheme. |
He maybe young Edward, but it's his inability to simply control the ball that I find most worrying. Pete Doherty in a crack den has more control than Kone.
We've played some poor teams in the relegation zone of late and made them all look dangerous. I know we're all about getting to 50 points asap, but having started ok we capitulated the second it got tough, conceeding three howlers and our response was nonexistent.
Even with injuries, we should not be playing as poorly and being incapable of doing the basics. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 22:54 - Feb 14 with 1780 views | Hunterhoop |
| Blackburn Reflection on 21:35 - Feb 14 by stevec |
9 points from 9 games, second half of season, borderline relegation form.
Basically, we’ve been sussed. |
And the next 14 games look significantly tougher overall than the last 9. Continue at a point per game, as per those last 9, and we’ll end up on 58 points. That would be 2 more points than each of the last two seasons…having spent all that money.
I really hope it doesn’t happen, but with the injuries, the opposition to face, the concern we’ve been found out a bit, and the lack of anything to play for, I’m concerned we’ll basically have gone nowhere this season. Such a wasted opportunity. Interested who would hypothetically be made accountable for that. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 23:00 - Feb 14 with 1763 views | HAYESBOY |
IMO I think Dunne and Cook had mares today. That slide rule pass into the runner was way to easy for them. Also Saito not passing the ball instead of taking on someone and losing it for the 2nd. The 3rd is poor by Dunne. He can see everything in front of him yet doesn't move. Criminal to have a free header like that in the 6 yard box.
Better pick themselves up for next week as that is a tough game away to Hull. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 23:19 - Feb 14 with 1684 views | ted_hendrix |
| Blackburn Reflection on 22:52 - Feb 14 by PlanetHonneywood |
He maybe young Edward, but it's his inability to simply control the ball that I find most worrying. Pete Doherty in a crack den has more control than Kone.
We've played some poor teams in the relegation zone of late and made them all look dangerous. I know we're all about getting to 50 points asap, but having started ok we capitulated the second it got tough, conceeding three howlers and our response was nonexistent.
Even with injuries, we should not be playing as poorly and being incapable of doing the basics. |
I know, I know, I know, for far too long we haven't addressed the Issue of having someone up front with the skill set of a striker, we've got nobody In the mould of say Charlie Austin, i used to watch him like a hawk, his movement, his anticipation, I'd Imagine someone like CA would be out of our pay scale nowadays.
For me todays result disappointing as It was-was not a shock, never mind this bollox of 'It's what we do' no It aint.
Hand on heart I reckon we've thankfully 'burgled' a few results, I also don't believe we are that good, and I'm fast losing what little faith I had In our Manager.
I'm as gutted as anyone tonight but If anyone posting on here thought that beating Blackburn would be a formality then they are Idiots.
Tough league this, I've started looking over my shoulder again. | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 23:55 - Feb 14 with 1570 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Does anyone know what Stephan's philosophy is? We're two-thirds of the way through the season and I couldn't say what our style of play is. There's those dreary 0-0 draws away from home and then there's games like today where most of the match we boot it up towards Kone (or Dunne if it's a set piece). Again, we had more of the possession today and lost. I get we have injuries but you'd hope we at least had a clearly delineated style of play which players could slot into. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 23:57 - Feb 14 with 1576 views | nix |
I thought Saito had an absolute mare. You could absolutely see why JS has been picking Smyth on the left to help out RND. It definitely made a difference when Smyth came on and put in some tackles. One of those balls that Saito gave away to them was practically an assist. He knew it and had his head in his hands. I felt sorry for Madsen standing near him who couldn't really look at him. He made a mistake for two of their three goals. He also wasted some cracking balls into the box in the first twenty minutes by doing that trademark run to the by-line but overhitting it nearly every time. They knew he'd try and cut it back the couple of times he got to the ball so they just easily intercepted.
I did think we would have been better starting with Ronnie at CB because Cook had had several gruelling matches and is less good at playing out from the back. I think we did look better for the change. The other thing is that if you continue to play exactly the same way eventually you get found out; sometimes you have to change it up a bit otherwise teams suss out your weaknesses, which is exactly what happened here by playing between the two CBs for two of the goals. Also by putting pressure on Saito knowing that he gives away the ball in dangerous places in our final third.
I didn't think Walsh had much of a chance for any of the goals. He was completely hung out to dry by our defence.
Bennie has a lot to learn and I think he needs to make his mind up sooner what he is going to do with the ball. This is partly what's holding him back from making more impact. I'd love someone, anyone? to make the occasional first time ball into the box rather than take a touch or move it backwards and forwards in the box before actually doing something in the box. But he wasn't the reason we lost this match.
We are desperately missing some of our better players. It's really hard without Chair, Poku, Burrell and Varane to bring on. Our bench is not good enough to change games. But if you gift the opposition three goals you're not going to get anywhere against the weakest of oppositions. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 00:12 - Feb 15 with 1525 views | E17hoop |
I can't think of a team that has had as many injuries as us through this season. In terms of subs, his choice was so limited - Smyth and Kolli were his only true attacking options in addition to the players he had on the pitch. We're missing Dembele, Obikwu, Burrell, Poku, and Chair. That's in addition to Larkeche, Clarke-Salter (bench fit), and Varane.
Even if only 4 of these were available, it'd provide some rotation; Kone needs a break, and we have little variety in attack. With a 3-game week coming up and a possible injury to Madsen, it's not going to be pretty. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 00:24 - Feb 15 with 1483 views | bob566 |
Didnt see the game. Had to bring the mother in law shopping. Checked the stats after. 8 corners. Did we threaten any of these is my question to those who went? | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 00:25 - Feb 15 with 1480 views | Myke |
The real issue for me is the mindset and that comes from the manager. ‘A win on Saturday validates tonight’s draw’ is a clear admission that (a) he played for a draw against Charlton (and Oxford and Stoke) and (b) that he knew a draw was not really good enough. If you actually believe that getting a point at Charlton (or bloody Oxford) is a decent result then you are in trouble. You put yourself under enormous pressure to win your home games. Win at Oxford and Charlton and today and Wrexham, while incredibly frustrating are not nearly as damaging.
Our form since we beat Leicester has been borderline relegation, injuries or no, we need to pick up a couple of wins to steady the ship. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 03:02 - Feb 15 with 1344 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Blackburn Reflection on 00:24 - Feb 15 by bob566 |
Didnt see the game. Had to bring the mother in law shopping. Checked the stats after. 8 corners. Did we threaten any of these is my question to those who went? |
Not really. I think Ronnie's late chance might have come from a corner but I could be wrong. Vale's corner was one for the ages (sailed out of play before reaching the goal).
The 21 shots stat is misleading too. Their keeper barely made a save. Rarely has a 3-1 win been more comfortable.
Definitely a day for shopping with the MIL. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 05:11 - Feb 15 with 1256 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Blackburn Reflection on 00:24 - Feb 15 by bob566 |
Didnt see the game. Had to bring the mother in law shopping. Checked the stats after. 8 corners. Did we threaten any of these is my question to those who went? |
Hi Robert,
If your mother-in-law wants to go shopping next Saturday, I'm available from 12.30pm. Please note: I asked first!
Cheers, Planet | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 07:50 - Feb 15 with 1098 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Blackburn Reflection on 23:57 - Feb 14 by nix |
I thought Saito had an absolute mare. You could absolutely see why JS has been picking Smyth on the left to help out RND. It definitely made a difference when Smyth came on and put in some tackles. One of those balls that Saito gave away to them was practically an assist. He knew it and had his head in his hands. I felt sorry for Madsen standing near him who couldn't really look at him. He made a mistake for two of their three goals. He also wasted some cracking balls into the box in the first twenty minutes by doing that trademark run to the by-line but overhitting it nearly every time. They knew he'd try and cut it back the couple of times he got to the ball so they just easily intercepted.
I did think we would have been better starting with Ronnie at CB because Cook had had several gruelling matches and is less good at playing out from the back. I think we did look better for the change. The other thing is that if you continue to play exactly the same way eventually you get found out; sometimes you have to change it up a bit otherwise teams suss out your weaknesses, which is exactly what happened here by playing between the two CBs for two of the goals. Also by putting pressure on Saito knowing that he gives away the ball in dangerous places in our final third.
I didn't think Walsh had much of a chance for any of the goals. He was completely hung out to dry by our defence.
Bennie has a lot to learn and I think he needs to make his mind up sooner what he is going to do with the ball. This is partly what's holding him back from making more impact. I'd love someone, anyone? to make the occasional first time ball into the box rather than take a touch or move it backwards and forwards in the box before actually doing something in the box. But he wasn't the reason we lost this match.
We are desperately missing some of our better players. It's really hard without Chair, Poku, Burrell and Varane to bring on. Our bench is not good enough to change games. But if you gift the opposition three goals you're not going to get anywhere against the weakest of oppositions. |
"I did think we would have been better starting with Ronnie at CB because Cook had had several gruelling matches and is less good at playing out from the back. I think we did look better for the change."
This is the interesting thing from yesterday for me too, Nix.
Did we deliberately change our tactics to split the centre-backs, pushing them wide and pushing the full-backs up to give us some more width and some more threat?
If so, it certainly didn't seem to suit Cook, taking him away from his normal game of low-block head and tackle. He seemed uncertain yesterday. He was barged out of the way with uncharacteristic ease, forcing Walsh to alertly bail him out. Then he was caught ball-watching for their second (perhaps because we were playing split centre-backs and he was momentarily unsure of his positioning).
Again, if it was a deliberate tactic, then I can see why we went for it. We do need to tweak tactics so we create more (or better) chances. And we did dominate the first half in certain ways.
I'm just not sure that it suited Cook. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 07:56 - Feb 15 with 1082 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Blackburn Reflection on 23:55 - Feb 14 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Does anyone know what Stephan's philosophy is? We're two-thirds of the way through the season and I couldn't say what our style of play is. There's those dreary 0-0 draws away from home and then there's games like today where most of the match we boot it up towards Kone (or Dunne if it's a set piece). Again, we had more of the possession today and lost. I get we have injuries but you'd hope we at least had a clearly delineated style of play which players could slot into. |
This ties into the thread about Nourry. We have the DS playing possesion based football, yet the 1st team has regressed to almost Ainsworth levels of hoof ball. How do the youngsters transition from one to the other? How can possesion based football be played without players who can pass?
We were told it would be 4-3-3, yet when everyone is fit We play 4-4-2.
It was awful to watch, but it has been getting worse the longer the season has gone on. | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 07:59 - Feb 15 with 1074 views | WestonsuperR |
I’m often critical of JS taking too long to make changes or not enough of them, however we had a decent first half so wouldn’t have rushed to make subs. We did try to make them on around 60mins but Kone went down injured, then Madsen so these were understandably delayed whilst we assessed the whether these players could continue. |  | | |
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