| Blackburn Reflection 17:41 - Feb 14 with 17914 views | bluenwhite10 |
A really bad performance against a really poor side.
Started well and played some lovely football for the 1st 10-15 mins, maybe overplayed a bit for the perfect goal, but unfortunately it is a 90mins games and the rest was poor.
All the goals came from mistakes and poor goals to let in.
Saito, Dunne, very poor, with Bennie looking maybe unfairly out of his depth, but the injury crisis dictates the options and the line up and the changes as the bench looked weak today.
Ending up with a midfield 4 of Vale, Smyth, Morgan, Saito is not going to win you games but it is what it is.
Surprised Stephen did not change it earlier, by bringing in Kolli earlier and go for 2 up to top.
Smyth needs to stop giving away cheap fouls.
Another strange one today was against Coventry when they had a corner we kept 3 up, but when we went 3-1 down we brought everybody back which baffled me a bit
In summary poor performance and a missed opportunity to push for the play offs against a really poor side.
Hope Madsen injury is not serious as that will be a massive miss as most good things go through him.
MOM …can’t honestly pick one.
Up the R’s |  | | |  |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:40 - Feb 15 with 1391 views | dmm |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:21 - Feb 15 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
There were big gaps all over the pitch that perhaps aren't evident on TV. There were a couple of times, before the first Blackburn goal, that they could of slipped the ball through between RND and Cook, but took the wrong option.
Blackburn definitely targeted our left hand side. |
Yes, I also noticed the huge gaps at the back. That's not been the case for quite a while and I'm not sure why it was. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:51 - Feb 15 with 1327 views | Northernr |
The third goal was remarkable. I don't think I've ever seen a move go on for so long, with so many unmarked players. It felt like there were half a dozen of them just standing in open yardage of space, including and culminating with the lad who scored. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:56 - Feb 15 with 1300 views | Third_Division_South |
Big gaps between Cook and Dunne, the area which has been a strength for us lately. Maybe a game too far for Cook or his injury catching up with him. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:57 - Feb 15 with 1300 views | daveB |
I didn't think any of our players reached a standard you need to win a football match. All of the back four were poor, massive drop off from recent games. RND done for the first goal, great ball but we were so slow to react. Saito does poorly for the 2nd but that shouldn't lead to a goal and the 3rd was so poor again, two of them unmarked for ages before scoring.
Going forward we had nothing, Saito so poor again, Bennie I felt for a bit just not good enough really. Vale and Hayden both very poor and Kone kept coming too deep for the ball.
Madsen was the only one at an acceptable level and I wouldn't say he was particularly good either
We do this so often, drop a performance like this, away at Norwich and Boro probably the last ones we did this when everyone is below what is needed.
Yesterday was a massive opportunity missed, we'll do well to finish top half now and feels like a real wasted opportunity. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:58 - Feb 15 with 1285 views | Northernr |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:57 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I didn't think any of our players reached a standard you need to win a football match. All of the back four were poor, massive drop off from recent games. RND done for the first goal, great ball but we were so slow to react. Saito does poorly for the 2nd but that shouldn't lead to a goal and the 3rd was so poor again, two of them unmarked for ages before scoring.
Going forward we had nothing, Saito so poor again, Bennie I felt for a bit just not good enough really. Vale and Hayden both very poor and Kone kept coming too deep for the ball.
Madsen was the only one at an acceptable level and I wouldn't say he was particularly good either
We do this so often, drop a performance like this, away at Norwich and Boro probably the last ones we did this when everyone is below what is needed.
Yesterday was a massive opportunity missed, we'll do well to finish top half now and feels like a real wasted opportunity. |
Seconded. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:20 - Feb 15 with 1206 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 13:57 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I didn't think any of our players reached a standard you need to win a football match. All of the back four were poor, massive drop off from recent games. RND done for the first goal, great ball but we were so slow to react. Saito does poorly for the 2nd but that shouldn't lead to a goal and the 3rd was so poor again, two of them unmarked for ages before scoring.
Going forward we had nothing, Saito so poor again, Bennie I felt for a bit just not good enough really. Vale and Hayden both very poor and Kone kept coming too deep for the ball.
Madsen was the only one at an acceptable level and I wouldn't say he was particularly good either
We do this so often, drop a performance like this, away at Norwich and Boro probably the last ones we did this when everyone is below what is needed.
Yesterday was a massive opportunity missed, we'll do well to finish top half now and feels like a real wasted opportunity. |
I agree with you completely about the performance.
But (with respect) I think we would be kidding ourselves if we think we were going to sustain a playoffs push.
To my mind that ship sailed when Burrell (top scorer) joined Chair (top creator) on the long term injured list.
Not to mention all the other injuries we're carrying.
I think the win against Coventry is masking the fact that we are fairly toothless right now.
As Burnleyhoop said on the Blackburn preview thread:
"Whether or where Edwards plays is largely irrelevant for me, it’s who’s leading the line and whether they can hold the ball up and “get us the pitch”. That is our Achilles heel at the moment. 33 clearances by the Dunne/Cook barrier tells you everything. We clear it, it comes straight back."
It's time for the board to take a long hard look at our injury situation and be honest enough to admit that it isn't good enough. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:23 - Feb 15 with 1182 views | daveB |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:20 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
I agree with you completely about the performance.
But (with respect) I think we would be kidding ourselves if we think we were going to sustain a playoffs push.
To my mind that ship sailed when Burrell (top scorer) joined Chair (top creator) on the long term injured list.
Not to mention all the other injuries we're carrying.
I think the win against Coventry is masking the fact that we are fairly toothless right now.
As Burnleyhoop said on the Blackburn preview thread:
"Whether or where Edwards plays is largely irrelevant for me, it’s who’s leading the line and whether they can hold the ball up and “get us the pitch”. That is our Achilles heel at the moment. 33 clearances by the Dunne/Cook barrier tells you everything. We clear it, it comes straight back."
It's time for the board to take a long hard look at our injury situation and be honest enough to admit that it isn't good enough. |
I didn't think we would make the playoffs but the opportunity was/is to be in the race going into last few games, finish in the top half. That all feels to be slipping away now.
Clubs like Millwall seem to always be in the mix same as Bristyol City but we never are.
Listening to the Nourry piece on Friday he doesn't seem to think injuries are an issue | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:36 - Feb 15 with 1144 views | Northernr |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:23 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I didn't think we would make the playoffs but the opportunity was/is to be in the race going into last few games, finish in the top half. That all feels to be slipping away now.
Clubs like Millwall seem to always be in the mix same as Bristyol City but we never are.
Listening to the Nourry piece on Friday he doesn't seem to think injuries are an issue |
If you look at that yesterday and don't think player availability is an issue it blows my mind. We ended up with a central midfield two of Vale and Morgan. | | | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 14:36 - Feb 15 with 1141 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:23 - Feb 15 by daveB |
I didn't think we would make the playoffs but the opportunity was/is to be in the race going into last few games, finish in the top half. That all feels to be slipping away now.
Clubs like Millwall seem to always be in the mix same as Bristyol City but we never are.
Listening to the Nourry piece on Friday he doesn't seem to think injuries are an issue |
Then Nourry is kidding himself.
If Eze hadn't been sold last summer it's unlikely we would have had the funds to bring in Kone. In which case our marquee signing for the summer would have been Poku.
So far Poku has played 285 league minutes for us.
Cook (who Nourry wanted out the door) is coming up to 2,000 minutes this season.
We all know the plan is to trade players and we need to make a significant sale in the summer. But who are we going to sell?
Madsen and Burrell have been the two breakouts this season but Burrell is out and won't be going anywhere and Madsen limped off on Saturday. If Madsen's injury turns out to be a bad one then Houston we have a problem.
Next in line to be sold is Varane but we don't know when he's coming back.
David McIntyre recently said there was an enquiry for Dembele in January but he is also now crocked.
Chair, Dunne, or Field could be sold, but we were recently told they were the foundation players we were to build the squad on.
So what's left?
We could flip Kone or Edwards. But that would be a desperate move. Both are popular with the fans and the plan was probably to hang on to them for at least one more season.
Saito has regressed since he returned.
Nourry must be clinging to his worry beads praying for the Madsen injury not to be too bad. Because if it is then he and we have a problem. [Post edited 15 Feb 14:38]
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| Blackburn Reflection on 14:41 - Feb 15 with 1114 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:20 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
I agree with you completely about the performance.
But (with respect) I think we would be kidding ourselves if we think we were going to sustain a playoffs push.
To my mind that ship sailed when Burrell (top scorer) joined Chair (top creator) on the long term injured list.
Not to mention all the other injuries we're carrying.
I think the win against Coventry is masking the fact that we are fairly toothless right now.
As Burnleyhoop said on the Blackburn preview thread:
"Whether or where Edwards plays is largely irrelevant for me, it’s who’s leading the line and whether they can hold the ball up and “get us the pitch”. That is our Achilles heel at the moment. 33 clearances by the Dunne/Cook barrier tells you everything. We clear it, it comes straight back."
It's time for the board to take a long hard look at our injury situation and be honest enough to admit that it isn't good enough. |
You can only hold the ball up if the out ball is an actual accurate pass/clearance.
Too many times clearances are just hoofed aimlessly up the pitch with no thought about playing some one through or giving those up top an actual chance to bring the ball down.
I don't understand that if you are going long, why would you not play Ronnie at CB? Why put your best passing CB at RB?
Anyone? | |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 14:43 - Feb 15 with 1103 views | 1JD |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:20 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
I agree with you completely about the performance.
But (with respect) I think we would be kidding ourselves if we think we were going to sustain a playoffs push.
To my mind that ship sailed when Burrell (top scorer) joined Chair (top creator) on the long term injured list.
Not to mention all the other injuries we're carrying.
I think the win against Coventry is masking the fact that we are fairly toothless right now.
As Burnleyhoop said on the Blackburn preview thread:
"Whether or where Edwards plays is largely irrelevant for me, it’s who’s leading the line and whether they can hold the ball up and “get us the pitch”. That is our Achilles heel at the moment. 33 clearances by the Dunne/Cook barrier tells you everything. We clear it, it comes straight back."
It's time for the board to take a long hard look at our injury situation and be honest enough to admit that it isn't good enough. |
It often comes straight back become Kone is not good enough at holding the ball up, despite the fact that’s exactly what we need from him, and exactly what we bought him for.
He is far from alone in failing to retain the ball, but given that is his main role in the team, along with scoring goals - which he is also light on - it is an increasing concern.
Contrary to popular opinion, he is not better at the hold up part of the game than his predecessor, Lyndon Dykes - who was also hit and miss with it, and mostly poor at it.
The jury is still out as far as I am concerned. But at 22 he has time on his side. Even Dykes scored 12 goals in his first season.
Only Burrell has been a striking success this season. Our forward line still lacks someone who can hold onto the ball, lay it off, and get the team up the pitch, ala Furlong and Gallen. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:43 - Feb 15 with 1103 views | BrianWilson |
At this point I would just move Edwards into midfield, play Mbengue at RB and start Kolli up front. Injuries just don't leave us with enough options. |  |
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| Blackburn Reflection on 14:44 - Feb 15 with 1100 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:41 - Feb 15 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
You can only hold the ball up if the out ball is an actual accurate pass/clearance.
Too many times clearances are just hoofed aimlessly up the pitch with no thought about playing some one through or giving those up top an actual chance to bring the ball down.
I don't understand that if you are going long, why would you not play Ronnie at CB? Why put your best passing CB at RB?
Anyone? |
Dunne and Cook have been getting a lot of praise for the recent clean sheets. I can see why we stuck with that but after Saturday I expect Ronnie will either get his chance at CB or be moved into midfield. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:46 - Feb 15 with 1088 views | Northernr |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:43 - Feb 15 by 1JD |
It often comes straight back become Kone is not good enough at holding the ball up, despite the fact that’s exactly what we need from him, and exactly what we bought him for.
He is far from alone in failing to retain the ball, but given that is his main role in the team, along with scoring goals - which he is also light on - it is an increasing concern.
Contrary to popular opinion, he is not better at the hold up part of the game than his predecessor, Lyndon Dykes - who was also hit and miss with it, and mostly poor at it.
The jury is still out as far as I am concerned. But at 22 he has time on his side. Even Dykes scored 12 goals in his first season.
Only Burrell has been a striking success this season. Our forward line still lacks someone who can hold onto the ball, lay it off, and get the team up the pitch, ala Furlong and Gallen. |
We need Coventry Kone not Charlton Kone. Unfortunately yesterday was the latter. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:48 - Feb 15 with 1070 views | dmm |
Kensal, on your comment: "If Eze hadn't been sold last summer it's unlikely we would have had the funds to bring in Kone."
Kone signed for us 10 days before Eze went to Arsenal. You could argue that it was in the offing Eze was going to move in the summer, but I think it would have been very irresponsible for QPR to have made a big signing in advance of an Eze move that hadn't happened. QPR must have had the budget to afford Kone before the Eze money was received. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:49 - Feb 15 with 1062 views | daveB |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:36 - Feb 15 by Northernr |
If you look at that yesterday and don't think player availability is an issue it blows my mind. We ended up with a central midfield two of Vale and Morgan. |
Completley agree but he seemes to really downplay it on that Q&A thing so maybe they just think this is normal.
3 out of the last 4 seasons this has happened now since the move to the new training ground | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:55 - Feb 15 with 1016 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:48 - Feb 15 by dmm |
Kensal, on your comment: "If Eze hadn't been sold last summer it's unlikely we would have had the funds to bring in Kone."
Kone signed for us 10 days before Eze went to Arsenal. You could argue that it was in the offing Eze was going to move in the summer, but I think it would have been very irresponsible for QPR to have made a big signing in advance of an Eze move that hadn't happened. QPR must have had the budget to afford Kone before the Eze money was received. |
Fair point.
I can't comment on exactly when the Eze deal was done and when exactly we knew, but it was common knowledge that Eze was going somewhere so the board might have decided to take a punt.
Something that I think tends to get overlooked is how lucky Nourry has been up to now.
He was appointed CEO just as our P&S situation was improving which meant he had money to spend.
In his first season he loaned Kelman out to Orient where through no effort on our part Orient sent him back to us as the EFL top scorer last season.
And then after years of wishful thinking Eze finally made his big money move to one of the top clubs.
Without Kelman and Eze coming good at the right time we would have had a very different transfer window last summer.
Maybe Nourry's luck has finally run out! | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:57 - Feb 15 with 996 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| Blackburn Reflection on 03:02 - Feb 15 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Not really. I think Ronnie's late chance might have come from a corner but I could be wrong. Vale's corner was one for the ages (sailed out of play before reaching the goal).
The 21 shots stat is misleading too. Their keeper barely made a save. Rarely has a 3-1 win been more comfortable.
Definitely a day for shopping with the MIL. |
Slightly disagree here but only watched the second half (rugby on every TV in the bar ) but Vale sent over some gorgeous corners and free kicks like those whipped in ones Arsenal etc provide.
The corner he blasted out of play was one a right footed player should have curved in under the bar but with Madsen out and Chair MIA it was up to Vale and he blew that one.
We should have made it 3-2 at the Edwards chance which would have made the next 7or 8 minutes very exciting .
Time to start calling QPR the "last 10 minutes club" we only push late on trying to salvage a game its no good IMO.
Those idiotic tacticts against Charlton backfired now after this implosion and its all on JS |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:58 - Feb 15 with 977 views | Logman |
Kolli has to play. Even if he doesn't have the power of say, Kone, or the speed of Saito. The technical quality between the front four yesterday was very low for a front four - balls bouncing off their shins, mis-placed passes, not getting heads up. Even if he doesn't have the pace of a winger or the power of a number nine, you need a player up there who can control the ball and make a telling pass. Kolli has to play. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:00 - Feb 15 with 976 views | BklynRanger |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:49 - Feb 15 by daveB |
Completley agree but he seemes to really downplay it on that Q&A thing so maybe they just think this is normal.
3 out of the last 4 seasons this has happened now since the move to the new training ground |
Williams is his mate - that's my potentially over simplified theory on it all. He might even be asking him wtf behind the scenes but he's the last person he'll ever throw under the bus,.and that's what is going to cause all this to linger into yet another season. I can't even watch that Q&A if he's going to pretend it's not an issue. |  | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:02 - Feb 15 with 951 views | daveB |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:48 - Feb 15 by dmm |
Kensal, on your comment: "If Eze hadn't been sold last summer it's unlikely we would have had the funds to bring in Kone."
Kone signed for us 10 days before Eze went to Arsenal. You could argue that it was in the offing Eze was going to move in the summer, but I think it would have been very irresponsible for QPR to have made a big signing in advance of an Eze move that hadn't happened. QPR must have had the budget to afford Kone before the Eze money was received. |
The money we got for Kelman basically paid for Kone | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:03 - Feb 15 with 937 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 14:43 - Feb 15 by 1JD |
It often comes straight back become Kone is not good enough at holding the ball up, despite the fact that’s exactly what we need from him, and exactly what we bought him for.
He is far from alone in failing to retain the ball, but given that is his main role in the team, along with scoring goals - which he is also light on - it is an increasing concern.
Contrary to popular opinion, he is not better at the hold up part of the game than his predecessor, Lyndon Dykes - who was also hit and miss with it, and mostly poor at it.
The jury is still out as far as I am concerned. But at 22 he has time on his side. Even Dykes scored 12 goals in his first season.
Only Burrell has been a striking success this season. Our forward line still lacks someone who can hold onto the ball, lay it off, and get the team up the pitch, ala Furlong and Gallen. |
I think Kone and Dykes are both competent at holding the ball up.
But neither can be expected to do that job alone.
Dykes certainly got isolated at times with no support.
And I think it's fair to question if our squad of dinky little wingers are the right players to support Kone either in getting the ball into the box for him or providing adequate assistance with keeping the ball at the right end of the pitch.
Kone hasn't been the raging success that Burrell has been this season but if we were to put Kone up for sale we would not be short of offers. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:15 - Feb 15 with 849 views | 1JD |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:03 - Feb 15 by KensalT |
I think Kone and Dykes are both competent at holding the ball up.
But neither can be expected to do that job alone.
Dykes certainly got isolated at times with no support.
And I think it's fair to question if our squad of dinky little wingers are the right players to support Kone either in getting the ball into the box for him or providing adequate assistance with keeping the ball at the right end of the pitch.
Kone hasn't been the raging success that Burrell has been this season but if we were to put Kone up for sale we would not be short of offers. |
Competent is an interesting word. 6/10 hold up yes. But no more and no less. It’s why Dykes is not here any longer because competent hold up doesn’t cut it. Losing the ball 5 out of 10 or 6 out of 10 - which both Dykes and Kone do - is a big difference from 8/9-10 like Gallen and Furlong. Helguson another one excellent at it.
That is what this team badly needs and has been crying out for for years now. Most teams play one up top, so it’s not an excuse to require a striking partner to help you hold onto it.
Would be interested to see how many clubs think 6 goals in 30 league games (1 goal in 5 games) is of interest, given other weaknesses in his game. Not sure there would be many takers above what we paid for him. | | | |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:20 - Feb 15 with 828 views | KensalT |
| Blackburn Reflection on 15:02 - Feb 15 by daveB |
The money we got for Kelman basically paid for Kone |
You might be right about that.
But we can't know for certain.
Last summer we were heavily linked to Schalke striker Pape Meissa Ba only to pull the plug at the very last moment:
https://www.westlondonsport.co
Landing Kone is probably the reason we pulled out of the Ba move, but could we have got Kone just with the Kelman money? We had already signed Poku and Mbengue by that point.
EDIT:
Ba has hardly played this season and has 1 goal and 0 assists
https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/p
Definitely a bullet dodged!
[Post edited 15 Feb 15:23]
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| Blackburn Reflection on 15:44 - Feb 15 with 746 views | davman |
| Blackburn Reflection on 09:39 - Feb 15 by Burnleyhoop |
That “smallest man on the pitch” just happened to be the best player on the pitch by a country mile. His pass for the first goal was sublime and undefendable.
Massively surprised by Blackburn, they looked stronger, well drilled and definitely up for a battle to avoid relegation. By no means the worst team we have seen at our place this season.
Anyone thinking we are good enough for a play off push with our current line up is kidding themselves. If we don’t get a few players back soon, we will continue to slide further down the table. Letting Field go was not a good decision.
I like Vale, technically good, but very rarely seems to get on the ball, so his touch percentage must be well below average for someone playing in his position. |
Agree with that, but we made it so easy for them. They always seemed to have time and space to pick a pass, they were"rashing" us giving us neither. They had some good players, but beat us by wanting it more. Their second goal assist Saito) gave them momentum and belief that they never looked back from. It drained us totally.
If we had gone ahead, it would have been a different game. |  |
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