| Where does Chair sit now? 03:25 - Nov 6 with 3330 views | VancouverHoop |
Yesterday, post-match, someone perceptively noted that our present run of bad form coincides with the return of our veteran play-maker.
It's true that Ilias seems to be playing the same the same type of game, with similar on-field responsibilities as he had prior to his injury. The problem is most of his team-mates, and his coach, have changed. The question is should he — can he — alter his game to suit a younger, faster, group of attacking players? If not, should the present team set-up change to accommodate him? |  | | |  |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 03:37 - Nov 6 with 3259 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Fair points Vancouver.
For me though he's out of form, not out of quality and starts whenever he can and the team works around him. We had similar debates about Eze once upon a time.
Also, not sure who we can replace him with. No one is in form right now. We're in danger of applying criticism to individuals when it's the team that is failing.
Edit: seen some unnecessary ag in the replies to a fair question so i’ve softened mine. [Post edited 6 Nov 8:54]
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 05:49 - Nov 6 with 3061 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Jesus, really?
Nothing to do with having a crap GK, a right back that is just dross, and CM bar Madsen that is incapable of making 5 yard passes? All issues known about for seasons, but nothing done to fix them.
Add in a coach who is changing half the team every game resulting in no patterns of play, but yeah, blame Chair. | |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 06:49 - Nov 6 with 2940 views | HammersmithR |
The Chair of 3 / 4 years ago I loved. He’s now 28 and his career is now on the slide. He will never play a higher level than the Championship. He was never in the Eze level. But look at the stats. When he plays our results are not positive. Start of the season we were great going forward. Really quick with lots of movement. He slows us down so much. He makes no effort to bust a gut to get in the box when the ball goes out wide. So many times yesterday Burrell was the only man in the box. He’s a one tricky pony. Wants to play on the left so he can cut in and shoot and very rarely scores. | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 06:53 - Nov 6 with 2919 views | kernowhoop |
It's a very fair point, but, one which coaching and tactics should be able to address. | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 07:18 - Nov 6 with 2842 views | davman |
The. Least. Of. Our. Problems.
FFS.
We have a goalkeeper who has been thoroughly QPR'd. We have a centre midfielder that has stopped looking forward. We have a misfiring striker, who WILL come good, but has had to be dropped.
Chair attacks. Chair defends. Chair has a touch to die for. Chair NEVER hides. Chair has been out for the first time in his career for three extensive periods, Chair is still only 28. Chair remains our best player bar none.
The manager's job is to find a system that involves our best players in their best position.. if he wants to play two strikers, then play with two strikers, but don't put one in the ten.
Depressing on here tonight and this morning really. Yes we lost, yes we've lost 4 from 5 and 3 straight at home, but this is the Championship. You let the oppo score within a minute of the start of both halves you're in trouble. You let a team who only have two shots on target score two you are in trouble. NONE of the six goals in either game were Chair's fault yet apparently this bad run of form is on him.
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 07:36 - Nov 6 with 2765 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Chair’s best seasons were a few years ago but he’s still a valuable member of the squad.
Certainly not an automatic starter though and wouldn’t let him take all the set pieces when we have decent options like Madsen and Vale as well.
Hope his form picks up quickly along with a number of others. |  | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:10 - Nov 6 with 2633 views | Lblock |
Second name on the team sheet for me at the moment - just after Burrell |  |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:21 - Nov 6 with 2594 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:10 - Nov 6 by Lblock |
Second name on the team sheet for me at the moment - just after Burrell |
Ahead of Madsen and RND? Not a chance. | | | |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:41 - Nov 6 with 2473 views | BushRanger82 |
For me, he sits on the bench.
How many times did we all say, oh, Chair won't walk back into this side, he's going to have to fight for his place now, when he was out injured and nowhere near the first team?
And what happened? As soon as he's fit, he's shoehorned into a side that had just enjoyed it's best run of form.
I know the manager is to blame for why we have gone off the rails with his constant tinkering, and his fear of 3 game weeks, but it's no coincidence either that since Chair has been back, he's not been on the winning side yet. |  | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:58 - Nov 6 with 2390 views | RangersDave3 |
Agreed,
You have a decent team, players know where they are, you leave alone, as success breeds success, and a team becomes harder to beat, each player knows each other player and what that player is likely to do.
You then go on a run, build a longer run and get feared by other teams. We are the ones to respect, not fear other teams.
Mind you, we won’t get far with a donkey in between the sticks. At present our keeper will cost us points every match, and he, and the reserve keeper just cannot hack the game. Never championship standard, as the keeper isn’t learning his game, he’s a liability.
I haven’t rated Chair for a few seasons now. [Post edited 6 Nov 8:59]
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:07 - Nov 6 with 2322 views | mart_Goblin |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:21 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Ahead of Madsen and RND? Not a chance. |
RND we literally on the bench 5 days ago |  | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:07 - Nov 6 with 2319 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:07 - Nov 6 by mart_Goblin |
RND we literally on the bench 5 days ago |
Yeah and we know how well that went. | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:12 - Nov 6 with 2286 views | mart_Goblin |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:07 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yeah and we know how well that went. |
He’ll also be gone in January .
I take your point though .
Was my man of the match last night .
Read people saying that he needs to cross earlier .
He got down the wing at least twice last night only to look up and the box be completely empty , so he just had to take another touch [Post edited 6 Nov 9:40]
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:16 - Nov 6 with 2258 views | DWQPR |
Chair remains our most consistent and creative player in the side. I’d love to see his heat map for last night because he was popping up everywhere. We are lucky to have him and also lucky that he is the type of individual that will sign another contract with the club with the knowledge he could do a Bosman and sign on for probably any of the other championship clubs with a hefty signing on fee. He loves QPR.
Now compare him against dodgy goalkeeping, poor Centre halves (Cook and Morrison), a central midfield player that will have at least one brain fart each game and get caught in possession (happened again last night), and frankly isn’t worth £50k let alone the £5million quoted in the summer.
The reality is that the manager switches too much. Players can play 3 games a week. They thrive on it. We always start too passively and then like last night and against Millwall when we need to get back in the game we totally overrun the opposition. The last 20 minutes last night I thought was the best football we have played all season. If Dembele had half a brain to go with his trickery then he would have got two assists rather than going for glory.
We have a pretty decent team now but they will only be as good as their worst player(s). And Chair is nowhere near that mark. He’s our Barry Bannan and for me I’d love to see him see out his career at Rangers. | |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:18 - Nov 6 with 2241 views | enfieldargh |
A majestic turn/spin on the half way line outfooting the saints defence was wonderful by Illy.
Yes at times hes ponderous on the ball/not always though. There are too many players willing to play the safety backwards card, Illy is not one of them. |  |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:23 - Nov 6 with 2218 views | thehat |
As much as I love Chair I think he should be a bench player for now. As stated previously we always seem to pick up more points when he is injured or as under Warburton at AFCON. Appreciate he is not a defender or goalkeeper and we need improvements there but our attacking threat drops considerably when he starts. When he came off the bench at Preston away last season and Swansea this season he can really add value with fresh legs and a tiring defence.
His set pieces were also really poor last night. I think his teammates are also frustrated with him.
As I say I love Chair but there is definitely something not right with us when he starts games. | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:24 - Nov 6 with 2214 views | DWQPR |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:18 - Nov 6 by enfieldargh |
A majestic turn/spin on the half way line outfooting the saints defence was wonderful by Illy.
Yes at times hes ponderous on the ball/not always though. There are too many players willing to play the safety backwards card, Illy is not one of them. |
It may look like he is slowing the game down but if the players around him aren’t showing or making some movement then what options does he have? I suspect that in a better and more mobile side he would be an even better player. | |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:40 - Nov 6 with 2142 views | mart_Goblin |
Honestly , the mind boggles reading what some of our fans think of Ilias.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course m, but blimey .
As I said on another thread , he deserves so much more than continuously being the only player than can unlock a defence and the only player EXPECTED to do so .
Been surrounded by guff for years in sub standard teams more often than not scrapping for their lives .
Last night he was sharp , played 1 touch at times , created space for himself and others ….which other player got even close to half of that on the attacking aspect of our play ?
No one . Yet he should be dropped?
If you think Ilias is even close to being one of our major issues then I don’t know what to say to you . | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:42 - Nov 6 with 2117 views | TheChef |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 07:18 - Nov 6 by davman |
The. Least. Of. Our. Problems.
FFS.
We have a goalkeeper who has been thoroughly QPR'd. We have a centre midfielder that has stopped looking forward. We have a misfiring striker, who WILL come good, but has had to be dropped.
Chair attacks. Chair defends. Chair has a touch to die for. Chair NEVER hides. Chair has been out for the first time in his career for three extensive periods, Chair is still only 28. Chair remains our best player bar none.
The manager's job is to find a system that involves our best players in their best position.. if he wants to play two strikers, then play with two strikers, but don't put one in the ten.
Depressing on here tonight and this morning really. Yes we lost, yes we've lost 4 from 5 and 3 straight at home, but this is the Championship. You let the oppo score within a minute of the start of both halves you're in trouble. You let a team who only have two shots on target score two you are in trouble. NONE of the six goals in either game were Chair's fault yet apparently this bad run of form is on him.
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He's not the least of our problems, but sadly he is one of them.
Post match pub chat last night, we came to the conclusion that but for injury and the court case, he probably would have been sold by now; and quite rightly earned his chance to play elsewhere and probably at a higher level.
But we're now at the stage where actually I'm not sure how he fits best into an 11 a side team. Don't get me wrong, he's a very talented footballer and can be exciting to watch, but I'm not sure any more how we get the best out of him FOR THE TEAM. What position is he actually most effective in? He's not really a winger, a main striker, a second striker, a central midfielder. I suppose he is some kind of number 10/trequartista - but the way he plays, his team mates can't be sure what he is going to do when he gets the ball. Will he play long or short, will he play first time or hold on to the ball, will he cut inside and try and get a shot away (er, probably)? That doesn't help with the cohesion of our team play.
And the problem is he has been at QPR so long now, he is the clubman, the senior pro. I think he feels it is all on him to make things happen, to be the match winner, rather than help his team mates and contribute to the greater good. And I can't help feel sometimes when he plays, he won't pass to/involve team mates who he thinks aren't good enough, even if they're in better positions on the pitch.
So we're at a stage now where he's stuck with us, and we're stuck with him. And it shouldn't really be this way.
Given he played the full 90 last night I'm assuming he might be on the bench on Saturday so let's see if that makes any difference.
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 20:15 - Nov 6 with 1746 views | davman |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:42 - Nov 6 by TheChef |
He's not the least of our problems, but sadly he is one of them.
Post match pub chat last night, we came to the conclusion that but for injury and the court case, he probably would have been sold by now; and quite rightly earned his chance to play elsewhere and probably at a higher level.
But we're now at the stage where actually I'm not sure how he fits best into an 11 a side team. Don't get me wrong, he's a very talented footballer and can be exciting to watch, but I'm not sure any more how we get the best out of him FOR THE TEAM. What position is he actually most effective in? He's not really a winger, a main striker, a second striker, a central midfielder. I suppose he is some kind of number 10/trequartista - but the way he plays, his team mates can't be sure what he is going to do when he gets the ball. Will he play long or short, will he play first time or hold on to the ball, will he cut inside and try and get a shot away (er, probably)? That doesn't help with the cohesion of our team play.
And the problem is he has been at QPR so long now, he is the clubman, the senior pro. I think he feels it is all on him to make things happen, to be the match winner, rather than help his team mates and contribute to the greater good. And I can't help feel sometimes when he plays, he won't pass to/involve team mates who he thinks aren't good enough, even if they're in better positions on the pitch.
So we're at a stage now where he's stuck with us, and we're stuck with him. And it shouldn't really be this way.
Given he played the full 90 last night I'm assuming he might be on the bench on Saturday so let's see if that makes any difference.
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No.
Just no. | |
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| Where does Chair sit now? on 20:20 - Nov 6 with 1731 views | Myke |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 08:41 - Nov 6 by BushRanger82 |
For me, he sits on the bench.
How many times did we all say, oh, Chair won't walk back into this side, he's going to have to fight for his place now, when he was out injured and nowhere near the first team?
And what happened? As soon as he's fit, he's shoehorned into a side that had just enjoyed it's best run of form.
I know the manager is to blame for why we have gone off the rails with his constant tinkering, and his fear of 3 game weeks, but it's no coincidence either that since Chair has been back, he's not been on the winning side yet. |
Technically not true as he came on against Swansea. I still think his best position is a 10, but he has to play like a 10 - much more advanced than he was last night. But that can only happen when we play the ball FORWARD, otherwise he will inevitably go foraging for it, clogging up the mid-field and being less effective than if he was around the edge of the box. | | | |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 20:43 - Nov 6 with 1653 views | R_from_afar |
| Where does Chair sit now? on 09:42 - Nov 6 by TheChef |
He's not the least of our problems, but sadly he is one of them.
Post match pub chat last night, we came to the conclusion that but for injury and the court case, he probably would have been sold by now; and quite rightly earned his chance to play elsewhere and probably at a higher level.
But we're now at the stage where actually I'm not sure how he fits best into an 11 a side team. Don't get me wrong, he's a very talented footballer and can be exciting to watch, but I'm not sure any more how we get the best out of him FOR THE TEAM. What position is he actually most effective in? He's not really a winger, a main striker, a second striker, a central midfielder. I suppose he is some kind of number 10/trequartista - but the way he plays, his team mates can't be sure what he is going to do when he gets the ball. Will he play long or short, will he play first time or hold on to the ball, will he cut inside and try and get a shot away (er, probably)? That doesn't help with the cohesion of our team play.
And the problem is he has been at QPR so long now, he is the clubman, the senior pro. I think he feels it is all on him to make things happen, to be the match winner, rather than help his team mates and contribute to the greater good. And I can't help feel sometimes when he plays, he won't pass to/involve team mates who he thinks aren't good enough, even if they're in better positions on the pitch.
So we're at a stage now where he's stuck with us, and we're stuck with him. And it shouldn't really be this way.
Given he played the full 90 last night I'm assuming he might be on the bench on Saturday so let's see if that makes any difference.
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"the cohesion of our team play."
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