| Devolution Debate on 03:35 - Dec 17 with 1069 views | AnotherJohn |
| Devolution Debate on 22:48 - Dec 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Having their own parliament again to run their own nation.
Pen and ink on paper can never define a nation like Scotland.
Scotland as a nation exists.
Accept it and move on. |
Well, if Scotland is a nation state already and already has a Parliament that "runs its own affairs", then perhaps the SNP should "accept it and move on"? And no more babbling about "be the nation again". You keep saying "the law is the law," and in a sense laws are pen and ink on paper. Certain concepts in the devolution settlement, including the idea of reserved matters, are rather important in determining what Scotland can and can't do, but you don't appear to have noticed the howls of anguish when the evil English said Scots can't legislate to allow men to decide to be women. I notice that you haven't responded to my post about the parlous state of healthcare in the only country to have left the UK - after taking it up the rear end from your beloved EU with its wonderful excessive deficit procedure. Given your low opinion of our UK perhaps you should seek help in the Republic next time you have a health problem, but it may be prudent to pay your PMI premium first. It is a prosperous country though isn't it mun, so you'll have no problem affording it? |  | |  |
| Devolution Debate on 06:53 - Dec 17 with 1042 views | Kilkennyjack |
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Well, if Scotland is a nation state already and already has a Parliament that "runs its own affairs", then perhaps the SNP should "accept it and move on"? And no more babbling about "be the nation again". You keep saying "the law is the law," and in a sense laws are pen and ink on paper. Certain concepts in the devolution settlement, including the idea of reserved matters, are rather important in determining what Scotland can and can't do, but you don't appear to have noticed the howls of anguish when the evil English said Scots can't legislate to allow men to decide to be women. I notice that you haven't responded to my post about the parlous state of healthcare in the only country to have left the UK - after taking it up the rear end from your beloved EU with its wonderful excessive deficit procedure. Given your low opinion of our UK perhaps you should seek help in the Republic next time you have a health problem, but it may be prudent to pay your PMI premium first. It is a prosperous country though isn't it mun, so you'll have no problem affording it? |
A total of 65 countries have claimed their independence from the British Empire/United Kingdom.
Wales has never had a vote on this matter.
Likewise England.
The north of Ireland is a made up country just 100 years old.
Scotland are being denied an Indy2 vote although it nearly a decade since 2014. The sneering English Tories act and behave like they think the own Scotland. They don’t.
I dont have a view on men becoming women but as you mention it then its clearly important to you. Good luck to you whatever you decide or have decided. Who is anyone else to judge you ? Our Swans are for everyone. Ignore the haters. |  |
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| Devolution Debate on 11:32 - Dec 17 with 1003 views | AnotherJohn |
| Devolution Debate on 06:53 - Dec 17 by Kilkennyjack |
A total of 65 countries have claimed their independence from the British Empire/United Kingdom.
Wales has never had a vote on this matter.
Likewise England.
The north of Ireland is a made up country just 100 years old.
Scotland are being denied an Indy2 vote although it nearly a decade since 2014. The sneering English Tories act and behave like they think the own Scotland. They don’t.
I dont have a view on men becoming women but as you mention it then its clearly important to you. Good luck to you whatever you decide or have decided. Who is anyone else to judge you ? Our Swans are for everyone. Ignore the haters. |
Oh dear, another fail. Kilkenny did a quick google and came up with the 65 countries that were formerly administered by the United Kingdom as part of the British Empire and gained independence. Of course, these countries were never constitutionally part of the UK. Even crown dependencies such as the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not technically parts of the UK. The only country that was part of the UK and then left in 1922 is the RoI (initially becoming the Irish Free State). But surely Kilkenny should know that as a proud Irishman? He still hasn't explained why the Republic, sheltered as it is in the warm bosom of the EU, has the highest uptake of private medical insurance per unit of population in Western Europe. Surely that cannot be right in a socialist utopia? But as I said, ask the Greeks about EU social solidarity. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 12:25 - Dec 17 with 967 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Devolution Debate on 11:32 - Dec 17 by AnotherJohn |
Oh dear, another fail. Kilkenny did a quick google and came up with the 65 countries that were formerly administered by the United Kingdom as part of the British Empire and gained independence. Of course, these countries were never constitutionally part of the UK. Even crown dependencies such as the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not technically parts of the UK. The only country that was part of the UK and then left in 1922 is the RoI (initially becoming the Irish Free State). But surely Kilkenny should know that as a proud Irishman? He still hasn't explained why the Republic, sheltered as it is in the warm bosom of the EU, has the highest uptake of private medical insurance per unit of population in Western Europe. Surely that cannot be right in a socialist utopia? But as I said, ask the Greeks about EU social solidarity. |
These countries wanted out, just like the Irish and the Scots.
Independence is normal.
Ask Ukraine. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 13:10 - Dec 17 with 956 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 06:53 - Dec 17 by Kilkennyjack |
A total of 65 countries have claimed their independence from the British Empire/United Kingdom.
Wales has never had a vote on this matter.
Likewise England.
The north of Ireland is a made up country just 100 years old.
Scotland are being denied an Indy2 vote although it nearly a decade since 2014. The sneering English Tories act and behave like they think the own Scotland. They don’t.
I dont have a view on men becoming women but as you mention it then its clearly important to you. Good luck to you whatever you decide or have decided. Who is anyone else to judge you ? Our Swans are for everyone. Ignore the haters. |
Countries that really wanted independence have got it. Wales has not got a majority wanting indy, most of us want to remain in the Union.
All countries are made up, The vast majority were formed after wars where the victor claimed the spoils and set borders.
It's 9 years since the Scottish indyref and you think they should have another one. In which case you clearly must agree that after 25 years, if a majority of us wanted another vote on devolution, we should get one.
Edit, the big question is, do you think Wales has improved since devolution and if yes, please explain why. [Post edited 17 Dec 2023 13:11]
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| Devolution Debate on 18:00 - Dec 17 with 915 views | Kilkennyjack |
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Countries that really wanted independence have got it. Wales has not got a majority wanting indy, most of us want to remain in the Union.
All countries are made up, The vast majority were formed after wars where the victor claimed the spoils and set borders.
It's 9 years since the Scottish indyref and you think they should have another one. In which case you clearly must agree that after 25 years, if a majority of us wanted another vote on devolution, we should get one.
Edit, the big question is, do you think Wales has improved since devolution and if yes, please explain why. [Post edited 17 Dec 2023 13:11]
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Well the votes in Wales is getting more positive towards the Senedd.
Especially the young.
Even in 2011, the way in which Wales made its choice seemed unequivocal. 63.5 per cent of voters were in favour of further powers to the National Assembly, the exact same percentage that voted in favour of tax-raising powers for the Scottish Parliament in 1997.
Thats the settled will of the people, for now.
Indy up next 🏴 | |
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| Devolution Debate on 22:57 - Dec 17 with 884 views | Boundy |
| Devolution Debate on 13:10 - Dec 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Countries that really wanted independence have got it. Wales has not got a majority wanting indy, most of us want to remain in the Union.
All countries are made up, The vast majority were formed after wars where the victor claimed the spoils and set borders.
It's 9 years since the Scottish indyref and you think they should have another one. In which case you clearly must agree that after 25 years, if a majority of us wanted another vote on devolution, we should get one.
Edit, the big question is, do you think Wales has improved since devolution and if yes, please explain why. [Post edited 17 Dec 2023 13:11]
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Do you really think he'll answer your question , I don't and I don't think if you asked anyone for a list of 1-5 you'd d be hard pressed to fill in the blanks | |
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| Devolution Debate on 17:57 - Dec 18 with 817 views | Kilkennyjack |
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Do you really think he'll answer your question , I don't and I don't think if you asked anyone for a list of 1-5 you'd d be hard pressed to fill in the blanks |
Of course more democracy is good thing.
Moving more power to the people is a good thing.
1. A more modern federal approach to uk is a good thing. Contrast with the failed Westmonster knows best model.
2. Free prescriptions has helped many
3. Drakers protected us a little from Johnsons many many covid failures
4. Second homes are getting tax’d
5. One million welsh speakers target by 2050
6. Swansea City Centre invested in
7. Cardiff City Centre invested in
8. 20 mph change to save lives and reduce NHS pressures
9. Saved the historic Gwent Wetlands
10. Swans in Premier League for 7 years
11. Free hospital parking
12. Wales is within the top 5 in the WORLD of exporters of energy - Exporting 22.7 TWh in 2021.
13. Cymru made the World Cup
14. Welsh kids protected from smacking
15. World first future generations commissioners
16. Welcomed 6500 Ukrainians fleeing war
17. Wales avoided being the only nation in Europe with no airport
18. Minimised negative impact of leaving EU market
19. Wales is recognised as one of the world's leading recyclers, coming first in the UK, second in Europe, and third globally
20. Welsh NHS brilliant dealing with covid backlog in an eldery population context
21. Fintech Wales booming - over 16,000 people are now employed in fintech in Wales
22. Watered down any Prince of Wales investiture crap
There are just too many to list.
However not being responsible for covid corruption, Brexit disaster, nor the war in Ukraine are all things that the westmonster government failed at. Remember that Liz Truss. Ffs beaten by a lettuce. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 18:40 - Dec 18 with 800 views | johnlangy |
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I completely agree with the sentiment behind that, but I do think it's a bit of mud slinging too, and some of the issues he raises are partly to blame as a root cause on Westminster too and his former party (who expelled him for being a pervert).
The NHS for instance, we only get a certain amount to spend on it as a % of what England gets and it's not enough. It's not enough in England either. That's down to austerity and 15 years of underinvestment. It's the same with other similar departments, although WG could do better than they are by spending that money better.
We could definitely spend that money better though, we don't need universal free prescription medication or free school meals. I'm entitled to both from WG but Westminster place my salary over the threshold to get child benefit. It must waste millions.
Devolution hasn't been a success and one thing it demonstrates is that we haven't got the ability as a country to be independent. Certainly over the medium term, we're not clever enough either as a population or politically. |
I was sunning myself on the beach last week in Benidorm when I read this post. Now that i'm back i'm amazed that no one has replied referencing the last para (apologies if I missed any).
The first three paras are okay. Perfectly reasonable opinions. But the last one ...............
You say 'we're not clever enough either as a population' (to be an Independent country). When you say population that means all 3.1 million of us. Which suggests that if we were cleverer we would be able to run ourselves Independently.
Which means that you are saying that the populations of around 200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh.
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| Devolution Debate on 19:00 - Dec 18 with 795 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 17:57 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Of course more democracy is good thing.
Moving more power to the people is a good thing.
1. A more modern federal approach to uk is a good thing. Contrast with the failed Westmonster knows best model.
2. Free prescriptions has helped many
3. Drakers protected us a little from Johnsons many many covid failures
4. Second homes are getting tax’d
5. One million welsh speakers target by 2050
6. Swansea City Centre invested in
7. Cardiff City Centre invested in
8. 20 mph change to save lives and reduce NHS pressures
9. Saved the historic Gwent Wetlands
10. Swans in Premier League for 7 years
11. Free hospital parking
12. Wales is within the top 5 in the WORLD of exporters of energy - Exporting 22.7 TWh in 2021.
13. Cymru made the World Cup
14. Welsh kids protected from smacking
15. World first future generations commissioners
16. Welcomed 6500 Ukrainians fleeing war
17. Wales avoided being the only nation in Europe with no airport
18. Minimised negative impact of leaving EU market
19. Wales is recognised as one of the world's leading recyclers, coming first in the UK, second in Europe, and third globally
20. Welsh NHS brilliant dealing with covid backlog in an eldery population context
21. Fintech Wales booming - over 16,000 people are now employed in fintech in Wales
22. Watered down any Prince of Wales investiture crap
There are just too many to list.
However not being responsible for covid corruption, Brexit disaster, nor the war in Ukraine are all things that the westmonster government failed at. Remember that Liz Truss. Ffs beaten by a lettuce. |
1 yes
2 it has cost a lot of money and given free meds to rich people
3 higher death rate than England
4 maybe good, maybe not
5 it's a target they are failing on. Even with all the money spent the numbers of fluent Welsh speakers is dropping.
6 The Senedd hasn't invested as much in Swansea as it deserves
7 Cardiff has had a lot more investment per capita than anywhere else in Wales
8 A very unpopular decision and we will wait for the results
9 Failed to build the M4 relief road that we badly need, a disastrous thing.
10 Absolutely nothing to do with the Senedd, Drakeford or any politician
11 after 20 years
12 hardly likely seeing as the UK as a whole is well down that list, 45th for electricity, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_exports so have you any evidence?
13 What has that to do with the Senedd?
14 Shame about the poverty though
15 What a useless thing, a pointless waste of money, lookmafter the current generations because we are suffering
16 yes but a lot of those were let down by the Senedd https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hundreds-ukrainians-wales-face-unc
17 yet another waste of hundreds of million that is badly needed elsewhere
18 has overseen the decline of the Welsh economy, has allowed infrastructure to collpase, is making anti democratic changes, is ruining the Welsh NHS and education.
19 Proof?
20 Enfys hospitals waste of time, care homes let down, Welsh NHS collapsing, highest covid death rate in the UK
21 Unemployment in Wales is rising.
22 What? Prince of Wales investiture was long before devolution.
PS, this is supposed to be about Senedd successes NOT what Westminster gets wrong.
Has Wales improved under devolution, yes or no? [Post edited 18 Dec 2023 19:01]
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| Devolution Debate on 19:53 - Dec 18 with 772 views | Kilkennyjack |
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1 yes
2 it has cost a lot of money and given free meds to rich people
3 higher death rate than England
4 maybe good, maybe not
5 it's a target they are failing on. Even with all the money spent the numbers of fluent Welsh speakers is dropping.
6 The Senedd hasn't invested as much in Swansea as it deserves
7 Cardiff has had a lot more investment per capita than anywhere else in Wales
8 A very unpopular decision and we will wait for the results
9 Failed to build the M4 relief road that we badly need, a disastrous thing.
10 Absolutely nothing to do with the Senedd, Drakeford or any politician
11 after 20 years
12 hardly likely seeing as the UK as a whole is well down that list, 45th for electricity, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_exports so have you any evidence?
13 What has that to do with the Senedd?
14 Shame about the poverty though
15 What a useless thing, a pointless waste of money, lookmafter the current generations because we are suffering
16 yes but a lot of those were let down by the Senedd https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hundreds-ukrainians-wales-face-unc
17 yet another waste of hundreds of million that is badly needed elsewhere
18 has overseen the decline of the Welsh economy, has allowed infrastructure to collpase, is making anti democratic changes, is ruining the Welsh NHS and education.
19 Proof?
20 Enfys hospitals waste of time, care homes let down, Welsh NHS collapsing, highest covid death rate in the UK
21 Unemployment in Wales is rising.
22 What? Prince of Wales investiture was long before devolution.
PS, this is supposed to be about Senedd successes NOT what Westminster gets wrong.
Has Wales improved under devolution, yes or no? [Post edited 18 Dec 2023 19:01]
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I have already answered.
22. The current Prince of Wales has had no investiture. Are you stuck in 1969 or something ?
I may have used poetic licence around the Swans and Wales …. But i enjoyed them both so …..
You are especially wrong about the Future Generations initiative, its as well as current needs.
Well done for the reply though, you are one crazy dude. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 19:57 - Dec 18 with 770 views | Boundy |
| Devolution Debate on 18:40 - Dec 18 by johnlangy |
I was sunning myself on the beach last week in Benidorm when I read this post. Now that i'm back i'm amazed that no one has replied referencing the last para (apologies if I missed any).
The first three paras are okay. Perfectly reasonable opinions. But the last one ...............
You say 'we're not clever enough either as a population' (to be an Independent country). When you say population that means all 3.1 million of us. Which suggests that if we were cleverer we would be able to run ourselves Independently.
Which means that you are saying that the populations of around 200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh.
Have I misunderstood ? |
If I may , your question "200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh" then I would say yes otherwise how do explain the lemmings repeating voting ad nau·seam Labour into power despite their woeful mismanagement of the country. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 22:26 - Dec 18 with 709 views | majorraglan |
| Devolution Debate on 19:57 - Dec 18 by Boundy |
If I may , your question "200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh" then I would say yes otherwise how do explain the lemmings repeating voting ad nau·seam Labour into power despite their woeful mismanagement of the country. |
I disagree with you, because where ever you look there are some examples of poor governance and while we think it’s bad here, there are places where it’s much worse. Look at the scandals and incompetence in London, look at South Africa under the ANC, look at the options the US has served up for President and governance, Macron in France is another.
Apathy and information flow is the problem in many cases. Instead of following party lines through biased media sources, people should be looking in to things, doing their own research and investigations and holding the politicians to account. We need to have effective oppositions, here in Wales we have the Conservatives, who let’s be honest have been pretty underwhelming and in London it was Corbyn and the Labour Party who were pretty chronic. That’s changed under Starmer and it’s good to see the Conservatives being held to account because without an effective opposition our democracy is fundamentally weakened. Look at what Boris got away with!!!
I’m not saying the above because I’m a Labour supporter because I’m not, I just want to see good governance and accountability. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 22:37 - Dec 18 with 698 views | BryanSwan |
| Devolution Debate on 19:57 - Dec 18 by Boundy |
If I may , your question "200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh" then I would say yes otherwise how do explain the lemmings repeating voting ad nau·seam Labour into power despite their woeful mismanagement of the country. |
And what is the alternative?
Plaid and the Greens will never garner enough votes to seriously contend.
The "Welsh" Conservatives are a rabble led by Andrew RT Davies. (Not to mention the success their UK branch have had over the last 10 years). | |
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| Devolution Debate on 08:10 - Dec 19 with 662 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 18:40 - Dec 18 by johnlangy |
I was sunning myself on the beach last week in Benidorm when I read this post. Now that i'm back i'm amazed that no one has replied referencing the last para (apologies if I missed any).
The first three paras are okay. Perfectly reasonable opinions. But the last one ...............
You say 'we're not clever enough either as a population' (to be an Independent country). When you say population that means all 3.1 million of us. Which suggests that if we were cleverer we would be able to run ourselves Independently.
Which means that you are saying that the populations of around 200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh.
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No I don't think you have misunderstood. I see nothing to suggest that we are from a political perspective.
We've had the same political party govern in Wales for nearly a quarter of a century and look at the state of us. What have we, as a population, done about it? We elect them again with an overall majority at the last election. Every other country in the UK has elected other parties, for better or worse but at least they've explored change. We've just lapped up whatever the Senedd has thrown at us.
The jewel in the crown is then whinging when they introduce one of their manifesto pledges. It makes us look really stupid, and that perception seems to be right.
We could even be about to have the fourth out of five first ministers representing a constituency from the same City, with the other also coming from the same general area. And we'll elect them again in 3 and a half years, rightly moan that Cardiff gets all the investment. Rinse and repeat.
Perhaps the populations of 200 countries around the world aren't cleverer, per se, than the Welsh but they are certainly more politically astute and aware which is pretty important in an independent nation. Our politicians and population would turn independecne in to a diasaster. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 10:51]
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I disagree with you, because where ever you look there are some examples of poor governance and while we think it’s bad here, there are places where it’s much worse. Look at the scandals and incompetence in London, look at South Africa under the ANC, look at the options the US has served up for President and governance, Macron in France is another.
Apathy and information flow is the problem in many cases. Instead of following party lines through biased media sources, people should be looking in to things, doing their own research and investigations and holding the politicians to account. We need to have effective oppositions, here in Wales we have the Conservatives, who let’s be honest have been pretty underwhelming and in London it was Corbyn and the Labour Party who were pretty chronic. That’s changed under Starmer and it’s good to see the Conservatives being held to account because without an effective opposition our democracy is fundamentally weakened. Look at what Boris got away with!!!
I’m not saying the above because I’m a Labour supporter because I’m not, I just want to see good governance and accountability. |
And I have to disagree with you , partly because I have no other interest in comparing countries halfway across the world whose democratic process in part bares no resemblance to ours .Why is the f defence of the governing political party always reverts back to, well its worse in England so on and soon. I agree the current Tory government is not fit for purpose with many despicable acts been carried out and the less said about Johnson and his ilk the better. But that doesn't excuse the acts carried out by a Labour run government with future policy's and decisions yet to be introduced which will directly affect everyday lives of the people its supposed to protect.
Since I can remember I have always believed that a socialist party would be the best for the majority of this country but as time progressed and my naivety was overcome with a better understanding how the world worked my cynicism towards politics has grown.
The current Welsh Labour party bears absolutely no comparison to the one my grand parents , parents and initially myself believed and voted for, , this is now a party driven by dogma without joined up thinking , totally focussed on what IT believes in and not what's best for its citizens .
One thing you can say about the Y Tories is you know what you'll get, they have not changed in all of its existence , can you say the same about Labour? | |
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| Devolution Debate on 16:35 - Dec 19 with 582 views | Kilkennyjack |
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If I may , your question "200 countries around the world are all cleverer than the Welsh" then I would say yes otherwise how do explain the lemmings repeating voting ad nau·seam Labour into power despite their woeful mismanagement of the country. |
But you know nothing of these other nations, so you are just guessing.
In fairness you also know nothing about Wales, so there is that …. | |
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| Devolution Debate on 17:29 - Dec 19 with 566 views | Kilkennyjack |
Liz Truss mini-budget alone cost us £30 billion.
Lets allocate blame to the right places. | |
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But you know nothing of these other nations, so you are just guessing.
In fairness you also know nothing about Wales, so there is that …. |
You have nothing to add to the thread except personal attacks which just sums up a intellectually barren mind . [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 18:14]
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| Devolution Debate on 18:03 - Dec 19 with 550 views | SgorioFruit |
it all boils down to these three factors...
1. if these corrupt, nasty, self service conservatives continue to try govern the UK.
2. Or the next party who wins the general election is just as bad as what the conservatives have been.
3. If Cymru actually allows a independence referendum
then we will be looking at an Independent Cymru.
That might not go down too well with the haters and the dic sion dafydds on here, but it will be a reality.
Will an indy Cymru work out for the best? Time will tell. But it will be a reality.
Have a good evening everyone,
Nos Da Pawb
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it all boils down to these three factors...
1. if these corrupt, nasty, self service conservatives continue to try govern the UK.
2. Or the next party who wins the general election is just as bad as what the conservatives have been.
3. If Cymru actually allows a independence referendum
then we will be looking at an Independent Cymru.
That might not go down too well with the haters and the dic sion dafydds on here, but it will be a reality.
Will an indy Cymru work out for the best? Time will tell. But it will be a reality.
Have a good evening everyone,
Nos Da Pawb
SgorioFruit out!!!! |
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| Devolution Debate on 18:54 - Dec 19 with 503 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 08:10 - Dec 19 by Scotia |
No I don't think you have misunderstood. I see nothing to suggest that we are from a political perspective.
We've had the same political party govern in Wales for nearly a quarter of a century and look at the state of us. What have we, as a population, done about it? We elect them again with an overall majority at the last election. Every other country in the UK has elected other parties, for better or worse but at least they've explored change. We've just lapped up whatever the Senedd has thrown at us.
The jewel in the crown is then whinging when they introduce one of their manifesto pledges. It makes us look really stupid, and that perception seems to be right.
We could even be about to have the fourth out of five first ministers representing a constituency from the same City, with the other also coming from the same general area. And we'll elect them again in 3 and a half years, rightly moan that Cardiff gets all the investment. Rinse and repeat.
Perhaps the populations of 200 countries around the world aren't cleverer, per se, than the Welsh but they are certainly more politically astute and aware which is pretty important in an independent nation. Our politicians and population would turn independecne in to a diasaster. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 10:51]
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Hang on, Welsh Labour got 443,047 votes but there are 2,307,900 registered voters.
That means that over 1.85 million of us have every right to moan. They didn't get a majority either, the needed Plaid to shore them up.
The truth is that the only people we have to vote for aren't worth voting for. We need better people, we need change. it's that simple. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 19:00 - Dec 19 with 497 views | Scotia |
| Devolution Debate on 22:37 - Dec 18 by BryanSwan |
And what is the alternative?
Plaid and the Greens will never garner enough votes to seriously contend.
The "Welsh" Conservatives are a rabble led by Andrew RT Davies. (Not to mention the success their UK branch have had over the last 10 years). |
There isn't a realistic alternative and there never will be. It's Labour, a version of the Labour party who want independence, or an even further left wing Labour party who also want independence.
The Tories are horrendous at the moment. The Lib Dems have disappeared.
There doesn't need to be an alternative because those parties have got the voting public pretty covered. Most people don't vote in every election, most of those who do vote for the same party every single time. It's easy for them.
First past the post isn't representative. We need proportional representation and compulsory voting or conscious abstaining. | | | |
| Devolution Debate on 19:26 - Dec 19 with 478 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Devolution Debate on 19:53 - Dec 18 by Kilkennyjack |
I have already answered.
22. The current Prince of Wales has had no investiture. Are you stuck in 1969 or something ?
I may have used poetic licence around the Swans and Wales …. But i enjoyed them both so …..
You are especially wrong about the Future Generations initiative, its as well as current needs.
Well done for the reply though, you are one crazy dude. |
No you haven't, yes or no, it's quite simple unless of course you lack any brain cells.
The current prince, yes as you say he hasn'thad an investiture and we have no idea what it will look like so how do you know?
Poetic license? Utter nonsense more like.
Future generations, what is this person going to do? What can he do as nobody can predict the future. All you can do is look after today and let the future generations look afyer their todays. The way the current Senedd is going all the future generations will need is transport somewhere else because young people are abandoning Wales in increasing numbers.
yes you are probably right, replying to you is crazy given the quality f what you post.
Even so, I'll ask again, has Wales improved after devolution, yes or no? No more bluster or BS, a straight answer. One day you'll do it. | | | |
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