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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
[Post edited 1 Jan 2021 14:13]
OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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The Countdown begins. on 10:05 - Aug 6 by Batterseajack
This thread is definitely worth a read. The crux of it is that the UK has by far the widest disparity between rich and poor within the EU, yet the the EU is somehow blamed for this when voting leave. Why doesn't this occur in other EU counties? And will the poor be better off when we're outside? This country is on a hiding to nothing with the rent seekers in charge.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 with 3866 views
The Countdown begins. on 10:05 - Aug 6 by Batterseajack
This thread is definitely worth a read. The crux of it is that the UK has by far the widest disparity between rich and poor within the EU, yet the the EU is somehow blamed for this when voting leave. Why doesn't this occur in other EU counties? And will the poor be better off when we're outside? This country is on a hiding to nothing with the rent seekers in charge.
It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.
That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?
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The Countdown begins. on 12:05 - Aug 6 with 3827 views
An Tory insider view of Cameron’s mother of all feck ups.
“Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Finally, as we tried to argue that the U.K. faced a unique set of circumstances, which required a fundamental redraft of the relevant European rules, we struggled to provide evidence to support our case. We tried using absolute numbers: three million migrants likely to come over the next 10 years, 6 percent of Lithuania’s population living in the U.K. already. We highlighted the pressure on public services like schools and hospitals. And we appealed to European leaders to consider the impact of migratory flows on their own economies. These arguments were quickly shot down. Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Or they called attention to the fact that European migrants paid more tax and used fewer public services than British citizens, which was true. They noted that our economy was growing, that we were almost at full employment, and thus that migration was more or less inevitable. They showed us how our rate of financial distribution to the areas under pressure was much lower than, say, Germany’s, and concluded that we should just spend a lot more money addressing the challenges there. We were never able to counter these arguments. To be honest, we failed to find any evidence of communities under pressure that would satisfy the European Commission. At one point we even asked the help of Andrew Green at MigrationWatch, an organization that has been critical of migration. But all he could provide was an article in the Daily Telegraph about a hospital maternity ward in Corby. There was no hard evidence.
The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn
It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.
That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?
An Tory insider view of Cameron’s mother of all feck ups.
“Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Finally, as we tried to argue that the U.K. faced a unique set of circumstances, which required a fundamental redraft of the relevant European rules, we struggled to provide evidence to support our case. We tried using absolute numbers: three million migrants likely to come over the next 10 years, 6 percent of Lithuania’s population living in the U.K. already. We highlighted the pressure on public services like schools and hospitals. And we appealed to European leaders to consider the impact of migratory flows on their own economies. These arguments were quickly shot down. Our European counterparts pointed out that the number of immigrants moving to the U.K. was relatively limited, compared to, for example, Germany. Or they called attention to the fact that European migrants paid more tax and used fewer public services than British citizens, which was true. They noted that our economy was growing, that we were almost at full employment, and thus that migration was more or less inevitable. They showed us how our rate of financial distribution to the areas under pressure was much lower than, say, Germany’s, and concluded that we should just spend a lot more money addressing the challenges there. We were never able to counter these arguments. To be honest, we failed to find any evidence of communities under pressure that would satisfy the European Commission. At one point we even asked the help of Andrew Green at MigrationWatch, an organization that has been critical of migration. But all he could provide was an article in the Daily Telegraph about a hospital maternity ward in Corby. There was no hard evidence.
Really interesting article. One of the more informative I've seen on the subject from someone working directly with Cameron. And refreshingly free of spin in either direction.
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The Countdown begins. on 12:53 - Aug 6 with 3779 views
The Countdown begins. on 10:50 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn
It's only fair to note that the UK has the widest disparity between rich and poor regions in Northern Europe, not the whole of the EU. However that comparison does include Germany. A Germany re-united for fewer than 30 years, that has successfully and intentionally integrated a moribud East Germany economy with it's laughing stock recycled cotton waste Trabant cars.
That's the tragedy of the Brexit vote - that so many people are so badly informed (or just plain thick) to realise that they've been conned by successive Tory and Labour governments and needlessly impoverished in pursuit of a hard right agenda. What exactly do people think will happen in the event of a hard Brexit? Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution? Or an intensification of the current obscene greed-led disparity in wealth and opportunity?
"Will it herald a new age of wealth and regional re-distribution?"
I think the Westminster power grab of devolved powers that the SNP object to, but Carwyn has waved through, answer this question.
The Countdown begins. on 17:19 - Aug 6 by the_oracle
Just read this on Twitter. Informative read.
Then we get the typical response from the Brexiter. Dullard.
Can any Brexiteer explain to me exactly how a Hard Brexit would benefit anybody at all? I'm talking material benefit here, not meaningless slogans such as "taking back control". And I don't mean in 50 years but within 5 years. I'm genuinely interested in the responses.
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The Countdown begins. on 23:47 - Aug 6 with 3603 views
The Countdown begins. on 19:14 - Aug 6 by BytholWyn
Can any Brexiteer explain to me exactly how a Hard Brexit would benefit anybody at all? I'm talking material benefit here, not meaningless slogans such as "taking back control". And I don't mean in 50 years but within 5 years. I'm genuinely interested in the responses.
Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).
P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit. Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
[Post edited 7 Aug 2018 6:20]
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The Countdown begins. on 08:00 - Aug 7 with 3547 views
The Countdown begins. on 17:19 - Aug 6 by the_oracle
Just read this on Twitter. Informative read.
Then we get the typical response from the Brexiter. Dullard.
Because you posted a Remainer twitter obviously he's not going to take it seriously. Like how you wouldn't take any Leave twitter posts seriously.
Labour peer Lord Blunkett predicts that Britain would still vote to leave and insists Leave voters are not racist simply because they are concerned about mass migration.
[Post edited 7 Aug 2018 9:29]
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The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 with 3504 views
The Countdown begins. on 06:02 - Aug 7 by peenemunde
Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).
P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit. Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
[Post edited 7 Aug 2018 6:20]
It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?
The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.
It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:45 - Aug 7 with 3494 views
Because you posted a Remainer twitter obviously he's not going to take it seriously. Like how you wouldn't take any Leave twitter posts seriously.
Labour peer Lord Blunkett predicts that Britain would still vote to leave and insists Leave voters are not racist simply because they are concerned about mass migration.
[Post edited 7 Aug 2018 9:29]
Whats it with your lot and the love for empty slogans
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The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 with 3491 views
The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 by BytholWyn
It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?
The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.
It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.
Peenemunde is convinced that immigrants coming hear are taking from the same pie as us, and that the pie itself never gets any bigger.
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The Countdown begins. on 09:49 - Aug 7 with 3479 views
The Countdown begins. on 09:47 - Aug 7 by Batterseajack
Peenemunde is convinced that immigrants coming hear are taking from the same pie as us, and that the pie itself never gets any bigger.
Of course the pie is getting bigger, unfortunately for the 'Remainers' it is a fact that what is causing our pie to get bigger is our trade with non-EU countries and the growth of our own internal domestic marketplace... ...and this process is only going to speed up with the situation in the EU as it is and the route they are proposing forward.
The Countdown begins. on 06:02 - Aug 7 by peenemunde
Because by stopping free movement wages would rise and the government would/should start training the youngers who have been sacrificed on the alter of globalisation and to further the Frankenstein project (eu).
P.s There is no such thing as a hard/soft Brexit. Just another attempt by the remoaners to keep us shackled to the Frankenstein project.
[Post edited 7 Aug 2018 6:20]
Don't be so naive. There's a lot more to it than that. Train the youngsters? I think we've seen the direction that's going to go in with the Government exempting non-EU overseas nurses from the skilled migration cap. The government/NHS is deliberately seeking more overseas non-EU staff to replace the leaving EU staff.
If you think employers (big ones at least) are suddenly going to start paying over the odds you're in cloud cuckoo land.
Brexit is not the end to globalisation because the EU is not the cause of globalisation.
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The Countdown begins. on 10:01 - Aug 7 with 3463 views
The Countdown begins. on 09:33 - Aug 7 by BytholWyn
It's a reasonable point that by reducing the availability of labour you push up wages. Trouble is by artificially pushing up wage cost in this way you also make the industries affected less competitive - which can cost jobs in the long run. The reality of course is that EU nationals fill a lot of gaps in the labour market not filled domestically - the shitty jobs basically. Will stopping immigration from the EU result in UK nationals taking up the slack in fruit picking and care homes to name but two examples of demanding jobs that are underpaid?
The big picture is that we need immigration. If we didn't why on earth don't we clamp down on immigration from non-EU countries? The latest figures show that net migration from non-EU countries is running at more than twice the rate of net migration from EU countries. It is insane to only clamp down on EU migration given the disproportionate economic cost (remember that 44% of our exports go to the rEU and only 18% of rEU's exports are to the UK). If people are really that worried about immigration why on earth don't they campaign for big restrictions in migration from non-EU countries - which would have nothing like the adverse consequences of reducing EU migration alone.
It's laughable to suggest that there is no difference between a hard and soft Brexit. A soft Brexit essentially ties us to the EU with a few areas of exemption or additional UK control. A hard Brexit means we gain the illusion of control (we would still be subject to EU regulations to a large extent if we want our products to be accepted by them) but suffer major non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade.
Nobody is suggestions we don’t need immigration. Nobody whatsoever. That’s just a petty argument that remainers like to use. It’s about having controlled immigration where we take only the people we need from wherever in the world that may be. There was a job become available in care Home in gorseinon where my friend works. There was over 100 applications so to suggest that only immigrants want these jobs is a load of bollocks that you are fed and you just lap it up.
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