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And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:05 - Dec 6 with 907 viewsCatullus

The Countdown begins. on 16:53 - Dec 6 by Shaky

£9 million?

Peanuts compared to the free advertising time Nigel Farage has had over the years through his regular appearances on Question Time, the Sunday morning shows, etc.

A man who is not a member of parliament in this country and whose party has in fact never won a parliamentary seat.

£9 million FFS. Shut it.
[Post edited 6 Dec 2018 17:03]


Typical remainer attitude right there.

How about Gina Miller? What about her campaign funded by non British interests.

It's funny that 9 million gets a FFS as if it's nothing but leaves alleged over spend is huge.

I wonder why the electoral commission's first investigation found nothing wrong but second time around found loads. Are they incompetent too and needed outside help to prove the leave campaign cheated? We'll see what the police make of it.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:11 - Dec 6 with 897 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:05 - Dec 6 by Catullus

Typical remainer attitude right there.

How about Gina Miller? What about her campaign funded by non British interests.

It's funny that 9 million gets a FFS as if it's nothing but leaves alleged over spend is huge.

I wonder why the electoral commission's first investigation found nothing wrong but second time around found loads. Are they incompetent too and needed outside help to prove the leave campaign cheated? We'll see what the police make of it.


Didn't the leave side ask the Electoral Commission for advice, followed that advice then got punished for doing so?

As for Farage on Question Time... every household got a leaflet. Not all households watch Question Time and given the makeup of panels has always been token Leaver with the rest Remainers....

It's pseudo-intellectual twaddle to claim those who voted to Leave are racist, uninformed, didn't know what Leave meant.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:13 - Dec 6 with 895 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:53 - Dec 6 by Shaky

£9 million?

Peanuts compared to the free advertising time Nigel Farage has had over the years through his regular appearances on Question Time, the Sunday morning shows, etc.

A man who is not a member of parliament in this country and whose party has in fact never won a parliamentary seat.

£9 million FFS. Shut it.
[Post edited 6 Dec 2018 17:03]


Are you suggesting that British MEP’s shouldn’t get a spot on Question time and other British media?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:16 - Dec 6 with 886 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:13 - Dec 6 by Highjack

Are you suggesting that British MEP’s shouldn’t get a spot on Question time and other British media?


Clearly not if it's Farage.

Eddie Izzard on the other hand is perfectly acceptable as a guest.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:16 - Dec 6 with 886 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 17:13 - Dec 6 by Highjack

Are you suggesting that British MEP’s shouldn’t get a spot on Question time and other British media?


Farage is the most capped Question Time panellist this century. The leader of a party that has never won a parliamentary election.

A 30 second prime time advertising slot on the nearest equivalent ITV costs perhaps £10lk. Do the maths.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Dec 6 with 881 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:16 - Dec 6 by Shaky

Farage is the most capped Question Time panellist this century. The leader of a party that has never won a parliamentary election.

A 30 second prime time advertising slot on the nearest equivalent ITV costs perhaps £10lk. Do the maths.


BBC want ratings. They know Farage provokes a strong reaction, positive or negative so it's pretty bloody obvious why he gets asked to appear regularly.

Remind us which elections the myriad of other panellists, mostly journos, comedians and business people have ever won.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:23 - Dec 6 with 877 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 17:20 - Dec 6 by bluey_the_blue

BBC want ratings. They know Farage provokes a strong reaction, positive or negative so it's pretty bloody obvious why he gets asked to appear regularly.

Remind us which elections the myriad of other panellists, mostly journos, comedians and business people have ever won.


Sadly it is only with the collapse of one Brexiter promise after another since the referendum, it has become clear Farage's real talent is as a straight man comedian talking bollocks.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:25 - Dec 6 with 875 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:23 - Dec 6 by Shaky

Sadly it is only with the collapse of one Brexiter promise after another since the referendum, it has become clear Farage's real talent is as a straight man comedian talking bollocks.


Really?

Oh, I must have hibernated through the instant recession after the vote to Leave and emergency budget that happened as a consequence. I must have slept through the economic forecasts that were wrong - especially from the Treasury.

Since I was comatose, were they good?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:31 - Dec 6 with 870 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 17:25 - Dec 6 by bluey_the_blue

Really?

Oh, I must have hibernated through the instant recession after the vote to Leave and emergency budget that happened as a consequence. I must have slept through the economic forecasts that were wrong - especially from the Treasury.

Since I was comatose, were they good?


UK growth has been subpar in an unexpectedly buyant global economy. that's a fact:

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=g20

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The Countdown begins. on 17:35 - Dec 6 with 858 viewsbluey_the_blue

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UK growth has been subpar in an unexpectedly buyant global economy. that's a fact:

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=g20


SO what about Italy who aren't looking to leave EU then?

Again, Treasury forecasts have been wrong for the most part - below actual figures for most part.

The British public were explicitly told a Leave vote would trigger an immediate recession. Current Chancellor even said an emergency budget would be needed.

Again, where was this recession?
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The Countdown begins. on 17:35 - Dec 6 with 858 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 16:55 - Dec 6 by LeonWasGod

Strictly it wasn't linked to any of the campaigns, but yes obviously it's a pro-remain message - it doesn't hide from the fact and reflected the position of the government.

But we're moving away from the allegation that it was propaganda. What is said in there that deliberately misleads?


Where did I say it was misleading propaganda? I posted it in reply to Kilkenny yet again moaning about leave campaign overspending.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:40 - Dec 6 with 852 viewsA_Fans_Dad

The Countdown begins. on 16:26 - Dec 6 by LeonWasGod

Yes, because that was their prefered position. But where is the misleading information that would make it propaganda?


"Propoganda" - from the Cambridge Dictionary.
"information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions"
Which is precisely as you described it, "their preferred position".
Thank you for confirming it for us.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:45 - Dec 6 with 850 viewsHighjack

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Farage is the most capped Question Time panellist this century. The leader of a party that has never won a parliamentary election.

A 30 second prime time advertising slot on the nearest equivalent ITV costs perhaps £10lk. Do the maths.


He was the leader of a party that won the European election. He is the leader of a group in the European Parliament that probably has more members than Lib Dem’s, plaid, snp and greens combined in Westminster.

Unless you’re suggesting that MPs should take precedence over MEP’s because the European Parliament is largely irrelevant, which is what we’ve been arguing from the start.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:57 - Dec 6 with 838 viewsShaky

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He was the leader of a party that won the European election. He is the leader of a group in the European Parliament that probably has more members than Lib Dem’s, plaid, snp and greens combined in Westminster.

Unless you’re suggesting that MPs should take precedence over MEP’s because the European Parliament is largely irrelevant, which is what we’ve been arguing from the start.


Quick, name one other UK MEP without peeking at the internet??

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The Countdown begins. on 17:58 - Dec 6 with 837 viewsHighjack

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Strictly it wasn't linked to any of the campaigns, but yes obviously it's a pro-remain message - it doesn't hide from the fact and reflected the position of the government.

But we're moving away from the allegation that it was propaganda. What is said in there that deliberately misleads?


Well I’m not going to go through it all but from that first page:

We will not join the Euro. How can they guarantee that? It was government policy to join the Euro relatively recently. There are many politicians who would love to see it. It could become policy again. We just don’t know.

We will not enter into further political integration with Europe. They’ve been saying that for fifty years. Then Maastricht, Lisbon etc. Again there’s lots of politicians who would happily endorse further integration. And EU politicians and other leaders have demanded it as recently as last week. Calling for closer integration and Eu army etc. It will happen at some point.

We have made a commitment to reducing EU red tape. What the hell does that mean? A commitment?

Borders - Free movement is a pillar of EU membership

None of these they can guarantee. This is why it’s misleading.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:59 - Dec 6 with 836 viewsShaky

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He was the leader of a party that won the European election. He is the leader of a group in the European Parliament that probably has more members than Lib Dem’s, plaid, snp and greens combined in Westminster.

Unless you’re suggesting that MPs should take precedence over MEP’s because the European Parliament is largely irrelevant, which is what we’ve been arguing from the start.


Oh and sorry I thought you have been arguing the European Parliament is sovereign. You know, take back control and all that?

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The Countdown begins. on 18:01 - Dec 6 with 832 viewsHighjack

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Quick, name one other UK MEP without peeking at the internet??


Exactly.

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The Countdown begins. on 18:02 - Dec 6 with 831 viewsbluey_the_blue

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Quick, name one other UK MEP without peeking at the internet??


Gerard Batten
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The Countdown begins. on 18:03 - Dec 6 with 827 viewsbluey_the_blue

The Countdown begins. on 17:59 - Dec 6 by Shaky

Oh and sorry I thought you have been arguing the European Parliament is sovereign. You know, take back control and all that?


So your point is that MEPs shouldn't be invited on Question Time because that would indicate European Parliament is sovereign?
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The Countdown begins. on 18:09 - Dec 6 with 822 viewsJango

The Countdown begins. on 17:59 - Dec 6 by Shaky

Oh and sorry I thought you have been arguing the European Parliament is sovereign. You know, take back control and all that?


Here you go shake. Another pointless poll from your favourite yougov a few hours ago. Is this why remainers are desperate for 3 options on the ballot for their imaginative referendum?

[Post edited 6 Dec 2018 18:10]
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The Countdown begins. on 18:22 - Dec 6 with 808 viewsbluey_the_blue

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Here you go shake. Another pointless poll from your favourite yougov a few hours ago. Is this why remainers are desperate for 3 options on the ballot for their imaginative referendum?

[Post edited 6 Dec 2018 18:10]


And that is why any second referendum is ridiculously biased towards remain.

Leave ( either form ) - 54%. Remain however the single biggest choice. Multiple Leave options split the overall Leave vote whereas there's only one Remain choice.

That's the reason Remainers want a second referendum. They know the questions will be engineered in such a way they get the outcome they want.
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And that is why any second referendum is ridiculously biased towards remain.

Leave ( either form ) - 54%. Remain however the single biggest choice. Multiple Leave options split the overall Leave vote whereas there's only one Remain choice.

That's the reason Remainers want a second referendum. They know the questions will be engineered in such a way they get the outcome they want.


And that’s why any second referendum question wont be framed in that way. If there are three choices you have to use the single transferable vote system. That way (using the figures in the poll) the 27% who want to leave with May’s deal can decide and express that decision whether they’re desperate enough to leave the EU with no deal at all. If so they mark that as their second preference. The lowest leave option (or the remain option in the unlikely event of that attracting the fewest first preference votes of the three options) then drops out amd the second preferences redistributed until there’s a majority for one of the three options. Remainers I’d suggest are unlikely to use any second or third preference votes unles they want to express a preference for May’s deal as a least worst fallback in the event of a leave majority. I wouldn’t but we could have that choice. Simple

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The Countdown begins. on 19:46 - Dec 6 with 754 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 18:03 - Dec 6 by bluey_the_blue

So your point is that MEPs shouldn't be invited on Question Time because that would indicate European Parliament is sovereign?


It seems like old shakester is a closet brexiteer with all this talk.

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The Countdown begins. on 20:25 - Dec 6 with 731 viewsA_Fans_Dad

So the EU puts before the UK, Pakistan, Canada & Japan who they have given Free Trade Deals to.
Nice to know who your friends are.
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The Countdown begins. on 20:43 - Dec 6 with 719 viewsBatterseajack

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So the EU puts before the UK, Pakistan, Canada & Japan who they have given Free Trade Deals to.
Nice to know who your friends are.


Those deals were 7+ years in the making. We’ll get a free trade deal, but even without the Irish border issue, it would take a lot longer than 2 years to negotiate. The free trade deals with those countries you mentioned are for specific goods and for specific quotas. All that’s needs to be negotiated and takes time
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