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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1224608 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:46 - Apr 11 with 1011 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:42 - Apr 11 by Batterseajack

Alright, a referendum between Remain, The deal and No deal then.


Any second referendum should have the same question as the first referendum, otherwise it isn’t a second referendum.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:49 - Apr 11 with 999 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:46 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Any second referendum should have the same question as the first referendum, otherwise it isn’t a second referendum.


You can easily solve that problem by calling it something else like a "Confirmatory Referendum", or "Peoples Vote". Either way, the detail of what Brexit will be needs to be on the table this time, not vague visions which mean anything to anyone.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:51 - Apr 11 with 991 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:44 - Apr 11 by Highjack

It’s bonkers. ECB was absolutely correct when he said it shouldn’t be allowed.

3 years since the referendum and we’re still at stage one.

Our PM, Government, Parliament and entire system have shown they are grossly incompetent and not fit for purpose.


"Our PM, Government, Parliament and entire system have shown they are grossly incompetent and not fit for purpose. "


yet those are the people that vote leave wanted to hand complete control to.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:56 - Apr 11 with 976 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:49 - Apr 11 by Batterseajack

You can easily solve that problem by calling it something else like a "Confirmatory Referendum", or "Peoples Vote". Either way, the detail of what Brexit will be needs to be on the table this time, not vague visions which mean anything to anyone.


Will various versions of remain be on the paper too?

Put a cross in one of these boxes:

Remain

Leave

No deal

Mays deal

Another deal

Remain but join the Euro

Remain but don’t join the Euro

Leave but don’t leave customs union

Leave but remain

Remain but don’t leave

Remain but leave Eurovision Song Contest

Leave on norway deal

Leave on Canada deal

Leave on Tuvalu+ deal

Half in half out

In

Out

Shake it all about

Besic

Leave me now you take away the biggest part of me oooh oooh ooh ooh ooh I want you to stay

This is your choice. The government promise we will carry out whatever you decide. Unless of course it’s a choice that we don’t like.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:02 - Apr 11 with 971 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:56 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Will various versions of remain be on the paper too?

Put a cross in one of these boxes:

Remain

Leave

No deal

Mays deal

Another deal

Remain but join the Euro

Remain but don’t join the Euro

Leave but don’t leave customs union

Leave but remain

Remain but don’t leave

Remain but leave Eurovision Song Contest

Leave on norway deal

Leave on Canada deal

Leave on Tuvalu+ deal

Half in half out

In

Out

Shake it all about

Besic

Leave me now you take away the biggest part of me oooh oooh ooh ooh ooh I want you to stay

This is your choice. The government promise we will carry out whatever you decide. Unless of course it’s a choice that we don’t like.


This post highlights exactly why the 2016 referendum was a total @rse up.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:17 - Apr 11 with 950 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:35 - Apr 11 by Batterseajack

Put it to a second ref to see if there's an appetite for this deal? If not, we remain.


Voting is undemocratic though, innit. 😂
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:23 - Apr 11 with 944 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:56 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Will various versions of remain be on the paper too?

Put a cross in one of these boxes:

Remain

Leave

No deal

Mays deal

Another deal

Remain but join the Euro

Remain but don’t join the Euro

Leave but don’t leave customs union

Leave but remain

Remain but don’t leave

Remain but leave Eurovision Song Contest

Leave on norway deal

Leave on Canada deal

Leave on Tuvalu+ deal

Half in half out

In

Out

Shake it all about

Besic

Leave me now you take away the biggest part of me oooh oooh ooh ooh ooh I want you to stay

This is your choice. The government promise we will carry out whatever you decide. Unless of course it’s a choice that we don’t like.


Mark Francois's speeches get weirder by the day.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:30 - Apr 11 with 931 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:56 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Will various versions of remain be on the paper too?

Put a cross in one of these boxes:

Remain

Leave

No deal

Mays deal

Another deal

Remain but join the Euro

Remain but don’t join the Euro

Leave but don’t leave customs union

Leave but remain

Remain but don’t leave

Remain but leave Eurovision Song Contest

Leave on norway deal

Leave on Canada deal

Leave on Tuvalu+ deal

Half in half out

In

Out

Shake it all about

Besic

Leave me now you take away the biggest part of me oooh oooh ooh ooh ooh I want you to stay

This is your choice. The government promise we will carry out whatever you decide. Unless of course it’s a choice that we don’t like.


Too complicated, keep it a simple 3 way choice;
Remain,
"Most ridiculed and unpopular surrender document in history",
No deal.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:03 - Apr 11 with 902 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:41 - Apr 11 by Highjack

So a referendum between remain and the most ridiculed and unpopular surrender document in history will fix everything?

I’d honestly prefer it if they had the testicular fortitude to just revoke.


“most ridiculed and unpopular surrender document in history”

This is the bit I don’t understand. Other than that’s the line the ludicrous members of the ERG are taking, what makes the withdrawal agreement a surrender document for you?

Any Brexit will involve the withdrawal agreement as drafted. Even no deal.

What’s the problem with it from your perspective as a brexiteer? What could be changed about it?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:57 - Apr 11 with 824 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:03 - Apr 11 by londonlisa2001

“most ridiculed and unpopular surrender document in history”

This is the bit I don’t understand. Other than that’s the line the ludicrous members of the ERG are taking, what makes the withdrawal agreement a surrender document for you?

Any Brexit will involve the withdrawal agreement as drafted. Even no deal.

What’s the problem with it from your perspective as a brexiteer? What could be changed about it?


Continue to hand over massive amounts of cash whilst having to follow all their rules in the vague hope that we might get a future trade deal at some point and if that doesn’t happen we are locked in to the backstop forever with no legal mechanism to exit.

It’s basically remain. Which is why Theresa May thinks it’s such a fantastic deal. She is a hardcore remainer surrounded by other fanatical remainers. What incentive do the EU have to give us any sort of deal? The backstop is the best possible outcome for them as they still get our cash and complete control.

This is the outcome I’ve been predicting from the start.

This deal will never pass. No deal will never pass. The only option left is remain, which will pass. Whether that’s through a rigged second referendum with a loaded question or the revoke of A50. Mission accomplished for May, Robbins, Hammond and all their Bilderberg mates.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Apr 11 with 771 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:29 - Apr 10 by bluey_the_blue

The same Schneider who defended Corbyn against any and all charges of anti-semitism only to know tut-tut about Lbour's anti-semitism in a desparate attempt to save face.


He's a jew you berk.

Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Apr 11 with 771 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:57 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Continue to hand over massive amounts of cash whilst having to follow all their rules in the vague hope that we might get a future trade deal at some point and if that doesn’t happen we are locked in to the backstop forever with no legal mechanism to exit.

It’s basically remain. Which is why Theresa May thinks it’s such a fantastic deal. She is a hardcore remainer surrounded by other fanatical remainers. What incentive do the EU have to give us any sort of deal? The backstop is the best possible outcome for them as they still get our cash and complete control.

This is the outcome I’ve been predicting from the start.

This deal will never pass. No deal will never pass. The only option left is remain, which will pass. Whether that’s through a rigged second referendum with a loaded question or the revoke of A50. Mission accomplished for May, Robbins, Hammond and all their Bilderberg mates.


you've gone full swivel eyed loon there fair play.

What do you think happens when countries agree trade deals with each other? They agree terms for access to markets and investment. Why are agreeing common rules on trading standards on e.g. food any different between the EU and the USA?

You think the USA will give us a trade deal without a quid pro quo? We would be following their rules in exchange for trade. Exactly what is the effing difference?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:09 - Apr 11 with 768 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Apr 11 by Ebo

He's a jew you berk.


Ah yes, no Jew can be anti-semitic according to Ebo. No BME can ever be racist...

Schneider has been called out for his BS repeatedly over the years. He's only suddenly criticised Labour anti-semitism after his claims have been ripped to shreds.

You pillock.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:11 - Apr 11 with 767 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:57 - Apr 11 by Highjack

Continue to hand over massive amounts of cash whilst having to follow all their rules in the vague hope that we might get a future trade deal at some point and if that doesn’t happen we are locked in to the backstop forever with no legal mechanism to exit.

It’s basically remain. Which is why Theresa May thinks it’s such a fantastic deal. She is a hardcore remainer surrounded by other fanatical remainers. What incentive do the EU have to give us any sort of deal? The backstop is the best possible outcome for them as they still get our cash and complete control.

This is the outcome I’ve been predicting from the start.

This deal will never pass. No deal will never pass. The only option left is remain, which will pass. Whether that’s through a rigged second referendum with a loaded question or the revoke of A50. Mission accomplished for May, Robbins, Hammond and all their Bilderberg mates.


Surely no deal doesn't have to pass?

EU, for example, unilaterally say "sod it". Is Yvette Cooper going to go running after Juncker yelling "but we agreed no 'no deal'"?

I can't understand why Hammond avoids criticism. His comments have been far worse and destabilising than Mays.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:19 - Apr 11 with 755 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:11 - Apr 11 by bluey_the_blue

Surely no deal doesn't have to pass?

EU, for example, unilaterally say "sod it". Is Yvette Cooper going to go running after Juncker yelling "but we agreed no 'no deal'"?

I can't understand why Hammond avoids criticism. His comments have been far worse and destabilising than Mays.


I love how every couple of pages you try regurgitating points that have already been thoroughly debunked.

If the EU wanted no deal they wouldn't have given us two extensions.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:48 - Apr 11 with 726 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:02 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

you've gone full swivel eyed loon there fair play.

What do you think happens when countries agree trade deals with each other? They agree terms for access to markets and investment. Why are agreeing common rules on trading standards on e.g. food any different between the EU and the USA?

You think the USA will give us a trade deal without a quid pro quo? We would be following their rules in exchange for trade. Exactly what is the effing difference?


We haven’t even started talking about a trade deal yet. This is just a pre agreement where we give them lots of cash and other concessions to gain the permission to start talking about a trade deal. And if we can’t agree a deal we fall into the backstop which we can’t get out of. So why should they even bother agreeing a trade deal?

If Tuvalu wanted to do a trade deal with Vanuatu (two hugely remain areas based on the latest petition) would one party have to pay the other billions of whatever money they use in these places before talks even start?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:57 - Apr 11 with 714 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:19 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

I love how every couple of pages you try regurgitating points that have already been thoroughly debunked.

If the EU wanted no deal they wouldn't have given us two extensions.


I'm sure they don't want no deal.

It's still a possibility; should divides amongst EU nations rise as time goes on etc.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:58 - Apr 11 with 712 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:48 - Apr 11 by Highjack

We haven’t even started talking about a trade deal yet. This is just a pre agreement where we give them lots of cash and other concessions to gain the permission to start talking about a trade deal. And if we can’t agree a deal we fall into the backstop which we can’t get out of. So why should they even bother agreeing a trade deal?

If Tuvalu wanted to do a trade deal with Vanuatu (two hugely remain areas based on the latest petition) would one party have to pay the other billions of whatever money they use in these places before talks even start?


You mean paying what we have already agreed to contribute to the budget and settling the tab for our outstanding commitments. The EU aren't going to do a trade deal with us unless we pay what we owe. Why on earth would they?

We can't get around the backstop until we fix the Irish border problem. If you're happy for Irish republicans to restart their bombing campaign again, make the case for why you don't care. If you do care, maybe you could help us with coming up with a solution to fixing the Irish border problem.

I'll add your Vanuatu jibe to the pile of spurious arguments and conjecture that Brexiteers think constitutes a viable plan for leaving the EU.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:10 - Apr 11 with 701 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:48 - Apr 11 by Highjack

We haven’t even started talking about a trade deal yet. This is just a pre agreement where we give them lots of cash and other concessions to gain the permission to start talking about a trade deal. And if we can’t agree a deal we fall into the backstop which we can’t get out of. So why should they even bother agreeing a trade deal?

If Tuvalu wanted to do a trade deal with Vanuatu (two hugely remain areas based on the latest petition) would one party have to pay the other billions of whatever money they use in these places before talks even start?


Firstly - As a knowledgeable leave voter, you would have been fully aware of A50 process and how it works. Britain was instrumental in writing the A50 document and would fully understand what it entailed, so no excuses there.

Secondly - If the technical solution for Ireland is there, and is easy to implement as some would argue, then the backstop is nothing to be feared.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:13 - Apr 11 with 700 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:58 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

You mean paying what we have already agreed to contribute to the budget and settling the tab for our outstanding commitments. The EU aren't going to do a trade deal with us unless we pay what we owe. Why on earth would they?

We can't get around the backstop until we fix the Irish border problem. If you're happy for Irish republicans to restart their bombing campaign again, make the case for why you don't care. If you do care, maybe you could help us with coming up with a solution to fixing the Irish border problem.

I'll add your Vanuatu jibe to the pile of spurious arguments and conjecture that Brexiteers think constitutes a viable plan for leaving the EU.


It's not the Irish border anymore, it's the EU border.

The UK doesn't want a 'hard' border.

Ireland doesn't want a 'hard' border.

This is as you correctly point out for deep seated historical and human reasons and nobody wants to see a return to the violence.

Yet a drunken Luxembourgian and an ex football hooligan from Poland and their chums insist on it to protect their 'market' because money and the markets (Praise be unto them) is always priority number one. As it unfortunately does for most remainers. Including good socialists like you and that nice Mr Blair.

The solution would be to put human needs above financial needs but we'll never get that from this lot.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:17 - Apr 11 with 696 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:13 - Apr 11 by Highjack

It's not the Irish border anymore, it's the EU border.

The UK doesn't want a 'hard' border.

Ireland doesn't want a 'hard' border.

This is as you correctly point out for deep seated historical and human reasons and nobody wants to see a return to the violence.

Yet a drunken Luxembourgian and an ex football hooligan from Poland and their chums insist on it to protect their 'market' because money and the markets (Praise be unto them) is always priority number one. As it unfortunately does for most remainers. Including good socialists like you and that nice Mr Blair.

The solution would be to put human needs above financial needs but we'll never get that from this lot.


Funny how you frame that. You could equally say that Britain is putting its financial needs in pursuit of new trade deals out side of the EU ahead of its commitment to the Good Friday Agreement.

If you opt to be a third country, you become a third country.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:21 - Apr 11 with 690 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:13 - Apr 11 by Highjack

It's not the Irish border anymore, it's the EU border.

The UK doesn't want a 'hard' border.

Ireland doesn't want a 'hard' border.

This is as you correctly point out for deep seated historical and human reasons and nobody wants to see a return to the violence.

Yet a drunken Luxembourgian and an ex football hooligan from Poland and their chums insist on it to protect their 'market' because money and the markets (Praise be unto them) is always priority number one. As it unfortunately does for most remainers. Including good socialists like you and that nice Mr Blair.

The solution would be to put human needs above financial needs but we'll never get that from this lot.


Nice attempt to straw man me but it I've come to expect nothing less. If customs standards differentiate between the UK and Ireland, checks will be a necessity. Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen. If we don't arrange some sort of customs agreement with the EU there will need to be customs checks at the border. These are inescapable facts.

Human needs above financial needs? Please do elaborate.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:33 - Apr 11 with 678 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:21 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

Nice attempt to straw man me but it I've come to expect nothing less. If customs standards differentiate between the UK and Ireland, checks will be a necessity. Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen. If we don't arrange some sort of customs agreement with the EU there will need to be customs checks at the border. These are inescapable facts.

Human needs above financial needs? Please do elaborate.


If Trump wants to carry out his trade war on the EU, but also give us a generous FTA so we can sell into their markets, he'll want us to have secure borders with the EU to stop us/them circumventing this controls.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-tariffs-eu-would-not-be-ne
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:47 - Apr 11 with 664 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:21 - Apr 11 by Ace_Jack

Nice attempt to straw man me but it I've come to expect nothing less. If customs standards differentiate between the UK and Ireland, checks will be a necessity. Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen. If we don't arrange some sort of customs agreement with the EU there will need to be customs checks at the border. These are inescapable facts.

Human needs above financial needs? Please do elaborate.


"Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen."

If nobody wants it, it absolutely shouldn't happen in a so called democracy.

The Irish have signed away control of their own and only border. They have no say over this. If individual nations really had a say in the running of the EU then the Irish would be listened to.

But then they rejected it via referendum and were told to vote again until they got the right result.

Sound familiar?

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:25 - Apr 11 with 633 viewsAce_Jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:47 - Apr 11 by Highjack

"Just because no-one wants a hard border, doesn't mean it wont happen."

If nobody wants it, it absolutely shouldn't happen in a so called democracy.

The Irish have signed away control of their own and only border. They have no say over this. If individual nations really had a say in the running of the EU then the Irish would be listened to.

But then they rejected it via referendum and were told to vote again until they got the right result.

Sound familiar?


If the trading rules are different on each side of imaginary line, there must be customs checks. This is the reality of the situation at every border on the planet. What part of this aren’t you getting?
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