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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1251222 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:45 - Oct 20 with 993 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:37 - Oct 20 by londonlisa2001

Ah bless. A little tip Loh. German ladies aren’t any more hirsute than any others. In fact, as Northern Europeans, they’re probably fairer than average.

It’s just that some of them do less about it. Others probably the same as the rest of us...


Quite a few of them wouldn’t look out of place in the main ring at The Royal Welsh on Cob day!

We’re the same age. I still have recurring nightmares about Nena singing 99 Red Balloons, dancing away, then throwing an arm in the air to reveal a Pomeranian nestling underneath.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:47 - Oct 20 with 988 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:41 - Oct 20 by WarwickHunt

A mate has a German wife. Well, half German apparently. He wasn’t too happy when someone asked “ Does that mean she’s only got one hairy armpit”?



An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:07 - Oct 20 with 926 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:06 - Oct 19 by LeonWasGod

I know this is winding up the little Englanders, but ffs as an absolute minimum requirment we should be expecting the PM to comply with hte law. Same with Letwin's amendment, it's not about stopping the process, just making sure it's done properly and minimising the damage to the country.

We shouldn't have to be taking our PM/Government to court to force them to comply with the law.


I think when this process is over the government should pass legislation re: the keeping of manifesto pledges, I reckon millions of people would like to see politicians who stand for a party saying one thing and then do another...go to gaol!
The enshrining of automatic by-elections whenever some lying, cheating, b*stard politician wants to swap sides halfway through a parliament in order to hoodwink voters, should happen pronto too.

I'd like this law on manifesto pledges to be enforced retrospectively.
People talk about Boris going to gaol, it is the MPs who stood for parties promising to enact the result of the referendum at the last election...who then changed sides to deliberately cripple the government AND THEN REFUSE TO HAVE A GENERAL ELECTION TO SEEK THE CONSENT OF THE VOTERS…who are deserving of a gaol sentence.

I'm sure there are millions of people in this country who are shocked that MPs who represent Political Parties that have lost 3 elections in a row are talking about sending the Prime Minister to gaol for the crime of delivering what we voted for and what we were promised when parliament voted for an EU referendum.

The 'Remainers' have ripped up convention and are busy making a bonfire of our democracy.
The fact that the majority of voters would like to see the likes of Anna Soubry (and the rest) put on top of this bonfire should worry them.
Watching them celebrate every successful dirty deed designed to overrule the voting public is like watching the cartoon of workmen up a tree, patting each other on the back as they saw off the branch that they are sitting on.


"just making sure it's done properly and minimising the damage to the country. "

Your side has done all the damage to the country.
By not accepting the result at the ballot box you have damaged our country forever.
We can all see exactly who and what we are dealing with now, you have revealed yourselves, and UK politics will remain polarised for the foreseeable.

Don't expect anyone you vote for to get anywhere with "progressive" aims from here on in.

There is now no need to compromise with the left.
The left have p*ssed on their chips as far as I can see.
Sacrificed everything they supposedly stood for on the altar of the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:14 - Oct 20 with 923 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 22:17 - Oct 19 by LeonWasGod

It gets more surreal/feckin stupid than that if you read the beeb update:

"Boris Johnson will send a letter to the EU by 00:00 BST to request a Brexit delay - but he will not sign it, according to a Downing Street source.

The request will be accompanied by a second letter, signed by Mr Johnson, which will say he believes that a delay would be a mistake, the source said".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50112924.

No idea if that's true. In their rush to be the first to break news, the media have been attrocious and frequently wrong lately. But if it is true, this is simply pathetic.


It is not pathetic, it is accurate.

It is not Boris' letter or his government's.
It is a letter composed by people who have no democratic authority who haven't got the guts to put themselves before the people of the UK and ask "do you want us to be your government and send surrender letters to the EU on your behalf".

The letter is thus meaningless.
If the EU were to accept it they would have to accept requests from other groups with no democratic legitimacy from all around the EU.

The fact that this has been tried at all is what is childish and pathetic.

Vote for a GE, win it and then you can negotiate on behalf of this country!
Gutless, spineless, w*nkers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:40 - Oct 20 with 909 viewsKilkennyjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:14 - Oct 20 by Kerouac

It is not pathetic, it is accurate.

It is not Boris' letter or his government's.
It is a letter composed by people who have no democratic authority who haven't got the guts to put themselves before the people of the UK and ask "do you want us to be your government and send surrender letters to the EU on your behalf".

The letter is thus meaningless.
If the EU were to accept it they would have to accept requests from other groups with no democratic legitimacy from all around the EU.

The fact that this has been tried at all is what is childish and pathetic.

Vote for a GE, win it and then you can negotiate on behalf of this country!
Gutless, spineless, w*nkers.


MPs are elected to do what they believe is right for their constituents.
Of course they all have a mandate to do that, even Johnson.

The Tory party allowed a Non binding Brexit vote.
The Tory party called the last election which delivered the balance of MPs that we now have.
The Tory party have negotiated Brexit, all excuses and self inflicted red lines - with no delivery.
The Tory party elected Boris as PM.

If its all shite, then its all Tory shite.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:49 - Oct 20 with 896 viewsKerouac

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:40 - Oct 20 by Kilkennyjack

MPs are elected to do what they believe is right for their constituents.
Of course they all have a mandate to do that, even Johnson.

The Tory party allowed a Non binding Brexit vote.
The Tory party called the last election which delivered the balance of MPs that we now have.
The Tory party have negotiated Brexit, all excuses and self inflicted red lines - with no delivery.
The Tory party elected Boris as PM.

If its all shite, then its all Tory shite.
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Netter versuch Fritz.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:57 - Oct 20 with 891 viewsKerouac

'Saturday’s antics in the House of Commons made me sick and ashamed to be an MP'
(Richard Drax has been Conservative MP for Dorset South since 2010 and has served on the House of Commons European Scrutiny Committee since 2015.)


"I left the House of Commons on Saturday afternoon feeling sick. The treachery of many MPs in this disgraced Palace of Westminster is literally sick-making.

As a former soldier, I shall not hold back from saying what I think, because I am ashamed of this determined effort to prevent our departure from the EU. And, make no mistake, Oliver Letwin’s continued efforts to prevent a no-deal departure are only a fig-leaf for his and others’ true intentions.

The Speaker had reduced speech times to only five minutes when Theresa May was called. She may be the worst negotiator in history, but by gum did she dish it out to great effect in the Chamber. You could see jaws sagging on Opposition benches, as she tore into those sworn, for whatever reason, to undermine our democracy. When Mrs May sat down, I, too, waved my Order Paper vigorously in support.

The collective effort from the very top to the very bottom to damage our fragile democracy is staggering. Normally, a country has to be subjugated by bomb and bullet before it becomes a slave state, but today our ruling class is quite prepared to accept the status quo without so much as a by your leave.

For this whole issue is about democracy – and the survival of it. How many times have I heard Remainers opine that people did not know what they were doing in June 2016? Well, I have spoken to many, many constituents in Leave-voting South Dorset and all of them are very clear why they voted Leave. It was simply for our country to regain control of her destiny – that’s it. Whatever decisions are then made, for better or worse, richer or poorer, are ours.

The thuggish behaviour of some of those protesting Remainers on Saturday only underlines their intolerance, complete disrespect for democracy and, worse, indicates where this country might well head, were we to stay in.

The Prime Minister frequently used the words “friends” and “neighbours” during his excellent speech. And, of course, when we leave the EU, we will remain just that with Europe and, no doubt, they with us.

But, to get there, Conservative MPs – all of them – must start working together. I fear, though, from what I’ve seen, that a handful will continue to pursue their clearly embittered path of destruction at all costs. However, having heaped ignominy on themselves, I am confident their constituents will seek retribution if they stand at the next election.

And MPs aside, we must ensure the next Speaker honours the Chair. I’m afraid this one has not, and his openly partisan approach is also responsible for the ongoing chaos in which we find ourselves.

I was privileged to serve our country in our Armed Forces, where I experienced courage, integrity, genuine friendship, selflessness, sacrifice and leadership. Then, in 2010, I entered the House of Commons. Of course, there are many MPs who share these characteristics, but by God there are a large number who do not. And this Brexit debacle has left them horribly exposed.

We will leave the EU, as the people have spoken and will accept no less. So, the sooner it’s done, the sooner a crumb of integrity can return to our politics."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:15 - Oct 21 with 880 viewsKerouac

'Busting the Project Fear health myths about a UK-US free trade deal'
(Professor David Blake is Professor of Economics at Cass Business School and a member of Economists for Free Trade.)


"According to a recent article in the Financial Times, ministers have been warned that the UK’s efforts to strike a US trade deal after Brexit could “severely limit” Britain’s ability to negotiate a deal with both the EU and other third countries.

The warning comes from a report written by the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) which suggests that US pressure on the UK to relax measures to protect animals, plants and humans from disease, pests and contaminants and to allow access to the UK market for US products, such as chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-fed beef, would violate EU sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) regulations. It said the EU would be concerned about non-compliant goods entering its Single Market which, in turn, could lead it to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland. It added:

“Any significant movement could have implications for our other [free-trade agreements] or export arrangements, which are based on existing standards…Weakening our SPS regime to accommodate one trade partner could irreparably damage our ability to maintain UK animal, plant and public health, and reduce trust in our exports.”

How scary is that? Perhaps Remainers are right after all – and that we should not only stay in the European Union, but be banned from visiting the US or indeed anywhere else outside the EU for the sake of our health.

Before taking such a drastic measure, should we not look for some evidence to support DEFRA’s assertions? Of course, we should – and very helpfully one of the commentators on the FT article – “luzhin” – pointed to the World Health Organisation study Global Estimates and Regional Comparisons of Food-borne Diseases.

And if you look at this study, DEFRA’s concerns about US food safety standards being lower than those in the EU are not borne out by the evidence. The study reports global food-borne disease incidence, mortality, and disease burden in terms of Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALYs), which measures how many illness years (per 100,000 population) are attributable to disease caused by food. The most frequent causes of food-borne illness are diarrhoeal disease agents, particularly norovirus and Campylobacter spp. The most frequent causes of food-borne deaths are Salmonella, Taenia solium, hepatitis A virus, and aflatoxin.

It turns out that the region with the lowest DALY is the US, Canada and Cuba (denoted region AMR A) in the study. This region, dominated by the US, has a DALY of 35 per 100,000. All three European groups (EUR A, EUR B and EUR C) have DALYs of between 40 and 50 per 100,000. So the average US citizen is less at risk from food-borne disease than the average EU citizen.

Using lab report data for Salmonella and Campylobacter, David Paton, Professor of Industrial Economics at Nottingham University Business School, reports incidences for the US and UK of 15 per 100,000 for both in the US and 17 and 108 per 100,000, respectively, in the UK. Again, lower rates in the US.

Washing chicken in chlorine to eliminate harmful bacteria is one of a number of anti-microbial washes permitted in the US as a pathogen reduction treatment. The most common rinses include trisodium phosphate, acidified sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide and peroxyacids. These washes were banned by the EU’s European Food Safety Agency (EFSA) in 1997. The reason given was concerns about poor hygiene standards in the production process: “the use of antimicrobial solutions does not replace the need for good hygienic practices during processing of poultry carcasses, particularly during handling”. As a consequence, US chicken imports to the EU ceased. However, the EFSA accepted in 2005 that these washes posed “no safety concern” over human exposure. Indeed, the chlorine washing of bagged salads is permitted in the EU.

Yet, far from being the guardian of the health of European consumers, the EFSA allows their food to be injected with potentially dangerous additives that are actually banned in the US. One example is the sweetener Aspartame – used in soft drinks and low-calorie sugar-free foods – which has been linked to increased rates of cancer. Other examples are E104 Quinoline Yellow, E122 Carmoisine and E124 Ponceau 4R which are synthetic dyes derived from coal tar and used in sweets and other foods, such as smoked haddock and scotch eggs. They can cause rashes and water retention in people allergic to aspirin, as well as hyperactivity in children. Erik Millstone, Professor of Science Policy at the University of Sussex, told the Daily Telegraph: “Serious avoidable risks are being taken with public health and if the public was well informed about it then they wouldn’t tolerate it”.

As luzhin points out, “complaints about US food safety standards from the EU are based on politics and protectionism rather than science or statistics”. Perhaps, it’s time the US government banned its citizens from visiting the EU on health grounds.

It is certainly time British civil servants ended the policy-based evidence making that is at the heart of their Project Fear campaign.

This is because nothing in the DEFRA report prevents a UK-EU trade deal. Just because UK consumers buy US products with different standards from EU products does not prevent UK producers making products that meet EU standards. UK producers have to meet the standards set in all export markets that they sell into. Some might only produce products that meet the standard of their most profitable market, eschewing sales in other markets. Further, consumer labelling will provide UK consumers with a choice. If they prefer less expensive US goods, so long as they understand what they are buying, they should be free to do so.

This is what free trade agreements are all about: increasing consumer choice and reducing the prices consumers pay. And not condemning cheaper products as automatically “inferior” just because more efficient producers can make them at lower prices."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss9VZ1FHxy0
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:54 - Oct 21 with 772 viewsLeonWasGod

Do you do requests? Can we have the full text of Lord of The Flies?
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:17 - Oct 21 with 744 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:54 - Oct 21 by LeonWasGod

Do you do requests? Can we have the full text of Lord of The Flies?


He should change his name to Kindle.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:19 - Oct 21 with 742 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:54 - Oct 21 by LeonWasGod

Do you do requests? Can we have the full text of Lord of The Flies?


I haven’t read that in years but from memory it would be a fairly good and accurate allegory of the brexit process so far.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:55 - Oct 21 with 711 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 00:15 - Oct 21 by Kerouac

'Busting the Project Fear health myths about a UK-US free trade deal'
(Professor David Blake is Professor of Economics at Cass Business School and a member of Economists for Free Trade.)


"According to a recent article in the Financial Times, ministers have been warned that the UK’s efforts to strike a US trade deal after Brexit could “severely limit” Britain’s ability to negotiate a deal with both the EU and other third countries.

The warning comes from a report written by the UK Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) which suggests that US pressure on the UK to relax measures to protect animals, plants and humans from disease, pests and contaminants and to allow access to the UK market for US products, such as chlorine-washed chicken and hormone-fed beef, would violate EU sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) regulations. It said the EU would be concerned about non-compliant goods entering its Single Market which, in turn, could lead it to impose a hard border on the island of Ireland. It added:

“Any significant movement could have implications for our other [free-trade agreements] or export arrangements, which are based on existing standards…Weakening our SPS regime to accommodate one trade partner could irreparably damage our ability to maintain UK animal, plant and public health, and reduce trust in our exports.”

How scary is that? Perhaps Remainers are right after all – and that we should not only stay in the European Union, but be banned from visiting the US or indeed anywhere else outside the EU for the sake of our health.

Before taking such a drastic measure, should we not look for some evidence to support DEFRA’s assertions? Of course, we should – and very helpfully one of the commentators on the FT article – “luzhin” – pointed to the World Health Organisation study Global Estimates and Regional Comparisons of Food-borne Diseases.

And if you look at this study, DEFRA’s concerns about US food safety standards being lower than those in the EU are not borne out by the evidence. The study reports global food-borne disease incidence, mortality, and disease burden in terms of Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALYs), which measures how many illness years (per 100,000 population) are attributable to disease caused by food. The most frequent causes of food-borne illness are diarrhoeal disease agents, particularly norovirus and Campylobacter spp. The most frequent causes of food-borne deaths are Salmonella, Taenia solium, hepatitis A virus, and aflatoxin.

It turns out that the region with the lowest DALY is the US, Canada and Cuba (denoted region AMR A) in the study. This region, dominated by the US, has a DALY of 35 per 100,000. All three European groups (EUR A, EUR B and EUR C) have DALYs of between 40 and 50 per 100,000. So the average US citizen is less at risk from food-borne disease than the average EU citizen.

Using lab report data for Salmonella and Campylobacter, David Paton, Professor of Industrial Economics at Nottingham University Business School, reports incidences for the US and UK of 15 per 100,000 for both in the US and 17 and 108 per 100,000, respectively, in the UK. Again, lower rates in the US.

Washing chicken in chlorine to eliminate harmful bacteria is one of a number of anti-microbial washes permitted in the US as a pathogen reduction treatment. The most common rinses include trisodium phosphate, acidified sodium chlorite, chlorine dioxide and peroxyacids. These washes were banned by the EU’s European Food Safety Agency (EFSA) in 1997. The reason given was concerns about poor hygiene standards in the production process: “the use of antimicrobial solutions does not replace the need for good hygienic practices during processing of poultry carcasses, particularly during handling”. As a consequence, US chicken imports to the EU ceased. However, the EFSA accepted in 2005 that these washes posed “no safety concern” over human exposure. Indeed, the chlorine washing of bagged salads is permitted in the EU.

Yet, far from being the guardian of the health of European consumers, the EFSA allows their food to be injected with potentially dangerous additives that are actually banned in the US. One example is the sweetener Aspartame – used in soft drinks and low-calorie sugar-free foods – which has been linked to increased rates of cancer. Other examples are E104 Quinoline Yellow, E122 Carmoisine and E124 Ponceau 4R which are synthetic dyes derived from coal tar and used in sweets and other foods, such as smoked haddock and scotch eggs. They can cause rashes and water retention in people allergic to aspirin, as well as hyperactivity in children. Erik Millstone, Professor of Science Policy at the University of Sussex, told the Daily Telegraph: “Serious avoidable risks are being taken with public health and if the public was well informed about it then they wouldn’t tolerate it”.

As luzhin points out, “complaints about US food safety standards from the EU are based on politics and protectionism rather than science or statistics”. Perhaps, it’s time the US government banned its citizens from visiting the EU on health grounds.

It is certainly time British civil servants ended the policy-based evidence making that is at the heart of their Project Fear campaign.

This is because nothing in the DEFRA report prevents a UK-EU trade deal. Just because UK consumers buy US products with different standards from EU products does not prevent UK producers making products that meet EU standards. UK producers have to meet the standards set in all export markets that they sell into. Some might only produce products that meet the standard of their most profitable market, eschewing sales in other markets. Further, consumer labelling will provide UK consumers with a choice. If they prefer less expensive US goods, so long as they understand what they are buying, they should be free to do so.

This is what free trade agreements are all about: increasing consumer choice and reducing the prices consumers pay. And not condemning cheaper products as automatically “inferior” just because more efficient producers can make them at lower prices."


Even a cursory glance at that seems to throw up some question marks.

1. Aspartame isn't banned in the US as far as I'm aware (pretty sure it was in loads of stuff when we were there last year). A small point, but undermines that particular argument and if he can't get the basics right...

2. Talking about EU food standard laws being too lax, they may well be (I've no idea, it's not my area). But we can do something about it ourselves independently of the EU. Being in the EU doesn't stop our own FSA banning products. As proven by the fact that one of the examples used in that piece (E122 Carmoisine) is outlawed in the EU Nation State of Sweden.

He may may or may not have a point in all of that, but errors in his claims that can be quickly checked lead me to not trust this piece.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:17 - Oct 21 with 696 viewsHumpty

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:55 - Oct 21 by LeonWasGod

Even a cursory glance at that seems to throw up some question marks.

1. Aspartame isn't banned in the US as far as I'm aware (pretty sure it was in loads of stuff when we were there last year). A small point, but undermines that particular argument and if he can't get the basics right...

2. Talking about EU food standard laws being too lax, they may well be (I've no idea, it's not my area). But we can do something about it ourselves independently of the EU. Being in the EU doesn't stop our own FSA banning products. As proven by the fact that one of the examples used in that piece (E122 Carmoisine) is outlawed in the EU Nation State of Sweden.

He may may or may not have a point in all of that, but errors in his claims that can be quickly checked lead me to not trust this piece.
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Just checked. Aspartame is allowed in the US. Professor Blake is talking through his arse.

I'm most disappointed in Kerouac.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:19 - Oct 21 with 694 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:17 - Oct 21 by WarwickHunt

He should change his name to Kindle.


Hahahahahaaa.

Brilliant!
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:35 - Oct 21 with 674 viewsunion_jack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:07 - Oct 20 by Kerouac

I think when this process is over the government should pass legislation re: the keeping of manifesto pledges, I reckon millions of people would like to see politicians who stand for a party saying one thing and then do another...go to gaol!
The enshrining of automatic by-elections whenever some lying, cheating, b*stard politician wants to swap sides halfway through a parliament in order to hoodwink voters, should happen pronto too.

I'd like this law on manifesto pledges to be enforced retrospectively.
People talk about Boris going to gaol, it is the MPs who stood for parties promising to enact the result of the referendum at the last election...who then changed sides to deliberately cripple the government AND THEN REFUSE TO HAVE A GENERAL ELECTION TO SEEK THE CONSENT OF THE VOTERS…who are deserving of a gaol sentence.

I'm sure there are millions of people in this country who are shocked that MPs who represent Political Parties that have lost 3 elections in a row are talking about sending the Prime Minister to gaol for the crime of delivering what we voted for and what we were promised when parliament voted for an EU referendum.

The 'Remainers' have ripped up convention and are busy making a bonfire of our democracy.
The fact that the majority of voters would like to see the likes of Anna Soubry (and the rest) put on top of this bonfire should worry them.
Watching them celebrate every successful dirty deed designed to overrule the voting public is like watching the cartoon of workmen up a tree, patting each other on the back as they saw off the branch that they are sitting on.


"just making sure it's done properly and minimising the damage to the country. "

Your side has done all the damage to the country.
By not accepting the result at the ballot box you have damaged our country forever.
We can all see exactly who and what we are dealing with now, you have revealed yourselves, and UK politics will remain polarised for the foreseeable.

Don't expect anyone you vote for to get anywhere with "progressive" aims from here on in.

There is now no need to compromise with the left.
The left have p*ssed on their chips as far as I can see.
Sacrificed everything they supposedly stood for on the altar of the EU.


Sure. Implement those by all means but I’d add one more. Any referendum should have a 65% majority to pass and that should be retrospective too!

And the likes of Anna Soubry have taken bold steps in their own career not for her own good specifically but for the best of the country. I’d trust her before any Johnson, Rees-mogg, Gove, Raab, Francois, Baker etc. Do you see the picture I’m painting here?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:42 - Oct 21 with 668 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:19 - Oct 21 by Highjack

I haven’t read that in years but from memory it would be a fairly good and accurate allegory of the brexit process so far.


Precisely what I thought when I read that post

Although in terms of literary congruence, Violet Elizabeth Bott often comes to mind
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:46 - Oct 21 with 657 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:35 - Oct 21 by union_jack

Sure. Implement those by all means but I’d add one more. Any referendum should have a 65% majority to pass and that should be retrospective too!

And the likes of Anna Soubry have taken bold steps in their own career not for her own good specifically but for the best of the country. I’d trust her before any Johnson, Rees-mogg, Gove, Raab, Francois, Baker etc. Do you see the picture I’m painting here?


Not sure about the picture, but its perspective is exceptionally clear
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:50 - Oct 21 with 651 viewsHighjack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:42 - Oct 21 by chad

Precisely what I thought when I read that post

Although in terms of literary congruence, Violet Elizabeth Bott often comes to mind


The policies of survive, have fun and keep the fire burning is pretty much the Tory manifesto.

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:01 - Oct 21 with 642 viewschad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:50 - Oct 21 by Highjack

The policies of survive, have fun and keep the fire burning is pretty much the Tory manifesto.


Perhaps Piggy would be called Gammon on here, where apparently porcine name calling is fine but vegetable matter name calling is vile
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:18 - Oct 21 with 622 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:46 - Oct 21 by chad

Not sure about the picture, but its perspective is exceptionally clear


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's fair to say that you think Raab, François et al. have your best interests at heart?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:52 - Oct 21 with 593 viewswaynekerr55

For the many, hey Stephen?


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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 12:52 - Oct 21 by waynekerr55

For the many, hey Stephen?




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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:29 - Oct 21 with 557 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:07 - Oct 20 by Kerouac

I think when this process is over the government should pass legislation re: the keeping of manifesto pledges, I reckon millions of people would like to see politicians who stand for a party saying one thing and then do another...go to gaol!
The enshrining of automatic by-elections whenever some lying, cheating, b*stard politician wants to swap sides halfway through a parliament in order to hoodwink voters, should happen pronto too.

I'd like this law on manifesto pledges to be enforced retrospectively.
People talk about Boris going to gaol, it is the MPs who stood for parties promising to enact the result of the referendum at the last election...who then changed sides to deliberately cripple the government AND THEN REFUSE TO HAVE A GENERAL ELECTION TO SEEK THE CONSENT OF THE VOTERS…who are deserving of a gaol sentence.

I'm sure there are millions of people in this country who are shocked that MPs who represent Political Parties that have lost 3 elections in a row are talking about sending the Prime Minister to gaol for the crime of delivering what we voted for and what we were promised when parliament voted for an EU referendum.

The 'Remainers' have ripped up convention and are busy making a bonfire of our democracy.
The fact that the majority of voters would like to see the likes of Anna Soubry (and the rest) put on top of this bonfire should worry them.
Watching them celebrate every successful dirty deed designed to overrule the voting public is like watching the cartoon of workmen up a tree, patting each other on the back as they saw off the branch that they are sitting on.


"just making sure it's done properly and minimising the damage to the country. "

Your side has done all the damage to the country.
By not accepting the result at the ballot box you have damaged our country forever.
We can all see exactly who and what we are dealing with now, you have revealed yourselves, and UK politics will remain polarised for the foreseeable.

Don't expect anyone you vote for to get anywhere with "progressive" aims from here on in.

There is now no need to compromise with the left.
The left have p*ssed on their chips as far as I can see.
Sacrificed everything they supposedly stood for on the altar of the EU.


If the referendum was run through the electoral commission then the result would have been declared null and void due to the skullduggery involved.

Big difference between a non-binding, advisory opinion poll and a General Election.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:33 - Oct 21 with 543 viewsJoe_bradshaw

We’re going to need a massive investment in prison building if we’re going to send manifesto breaking politicians there.

Why stop at manifestos? Why not criminalise politicians who promise something, for example to the DUP, and then do exactly what they said they would never do?

Politicians eh? And some people actually support these scumbags.

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(No subject) (n/t) on 13:50 - Oct 21 with 525 viewsWarwickHunt

(No subject) (n/t) on 13:22 - Oct 21 by union_jack



Caroline Flint - “metered out”. Fûcking idiot.😂
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