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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1243349 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:46 - Nov 19 with 416 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:43 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

All the links to the original source now show

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It’s available from The National Archives ffs.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:00 - Nov 19 with 401 viewsHumpty

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:26 - Nov 19 by Jango

I’ve worked on oil refineries and power stations for 17 years. H&S is through the roof and you can lose half a day sometimes just waiting on permits. I’ve never heard anyone ever blame it on the EU. It can be annoying but safety is paramount.


Agree completely.

I'm the annoying bastard preparing and handing out the permits.

I'm sure it is a pain in the arse but it's worth it if we all go home to our families at the end of the shift.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:02 - Nov 19 with 400 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 19:43 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

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It’s available from the National Archives as that twot Clase says .

Or you could look at the version of it presented to, and archived by the EU here (I think it’s the same one although lacks reference number):
https://www.cvce.eu/en/obj/white_paper_presented_by_the_uk_government_to_the_uk_

See para 28 for the exact comments quoted in that Richard Corbet piece: “if the political implications of joining Europe are at present clearest in the economic field, it is because the Community is primarily concerned with economic policy. But it is inevitable that the scope should broaden as member countries’ interests become harmonised […] What is proposed is a sharing and an enlargement of individual national sovereignties in the general interest”. Last part in italics I haven’t found, but it’s a nightmare to navigate on a phone.

They also recognise the inevitable move towards “economic and monetary union” in that para 28.

Seriously, read it. It’s fascinating and lays out the best case I’ve seen for why we joined in the first place and what we wanted from it. And most of it has come to pass, including the UK’s opportunity to aid development of accession nations (increases the market on our doorstep) and to shape the project (which we did whilst limiting the cost to us like no other nation could manage, no thanks to Blair’s and then Cameron’s meddlings).
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:03 - Nov 19 with 399 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:00 - Nov 19 by Humpty

Agree completely.

I'm the annoying bastard preparing and handing out the permits.

I'm sure it is a pain in the arse but it's worth it if we all go home to our families at the end of the shift.


No arguing with that.

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:05 - Nov 19 with 396 viewsHumpty

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:03 - Nov 19 by Lohengrin

No arguing with that.


I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.

I'm assuming they've never seen the results of safety going wrong.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:06 - Nov 19 with 391 viewsLohengrin

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:05 - Nov 19 by Humpty

I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.

I'm assuming they've never seen the results of safety going wrong.


I have. You can’t unsee it...

An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:12 - Nov 19 with 382 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:02 - Nov 19 by LeonWasGod

It’s available from the National Archives as that twot Clase says .

Or you could look at the version of it presented to, and archived by the EU here (I think it’s the same one although lacks reference number):
https://www.cvce.eu/en/obj/white_paper_presented_by_the_uk_government_to_the_uk_

See para 28 for the exact comments quoted in that Richard Corbet piece: “if the political implications of joining Europe are at present clearest in the economic field, it is because the Community is primarily concerned with economic policy. But it is inevitable that the scope should broaden as member countries’ interests become harmonised […] What is proposed is a sharing and an enlargement of individual national sovereignties in the general interest”. Last part in italics I haven’t found, but it’s a nightmare to navigate on a phone.

They also recognise the inevitable move towards “economic and monetary union” in that para 28.

Seriously, read it. It’s fascinating and lays out the best case I’ve seen for why we joined in the first place and what we wanted from it. And most of it has come to pass, including the UK’s opportunity to aid development of accession nations (increases the market on our doorstep) and to shape the project (which we did whilst limiting the cost to us like no other nation could manage, no thanks to Blair’s and then Cameron’s meddlings).


Except "we" didn't get a chance to read it back in the 70s did we?
So our's was not an informed choice.
For your information I have read at least 3 times, so I know exactly what it contains, everything that the anti EEC voters feared back in the 70s.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Nov 19 with 379 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:12 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

Except "we" didn't get a chance to read it back in the 70s did we?
So our's was not an informed choice.
For your information I have read at least 3 times, so I know exactly what it contains, everything that the anti EEC voters feared back in the 70s.


Oh FFS. You’ve read it AT LEAST 3 times but up until 5 minutes ago you couldn’t find it

I give up.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Nov 19 with 377 viewsHumpty

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:12 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

Except "we" didn't get a chance to read it back in the 70s did we?
So our's was not an informed choice.
For your information I have read at least 3 times, so I know exactly what it contains, everything that the anti EEC voters feared back in the 70s.


For your information I have read at least 3 times

That doesn't surprise me.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:34 - Nov 19 with 343 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:15 - Nov 19 by LeonWasGod

Oh FFS. You’ve read it AT LEAST 3 times but up until 5 minutes ago you couldn’t find it

I give up.


You really are dumb at times, I first came across it in an article by Booker in the Telegraph in 2012 here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9233096/Europe-alienates-us-al

and then it resurfaced in the Express in 2018 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

and then again in the Express in 2019 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

I also read the 2002 analysis by Richard North when the document was released, but not at that time here

http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/FCOsovereignty2.pdf

I had a link to it in my Firefox Bookmarks, none of those links now work.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:40 - Nov 19 with 336 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:34 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

You really are dumb at times, I first came across it in an article by Booker in the Telegraph in 2012 here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9233096/Europe-alienates-us-al

and then it resurfaced in the Express in 2018 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

and then again in the Express in 2019 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

I also read the 2002 analysis by Richard North when the document was released, but not at that time here

http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/FCOsovereignty2.pdf

I had a link to it in my Firefox Bookmarks, none of those links now work.


They’ve not done a very good job of disappearing it have they? That’s three links you’ve provided there.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:01 - Nov 19 with 313 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:40 - Nov 19 by exiledclaseboy

They’ve not done a very good job of disappearing it have they? That’s three links you’ve provided there.


The links to the original pdf document do not go to it as I showed in my first post.
Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote.
Would you like a few more links that don't work, because I tried quite a few before I found a very poor copy of the original pdf.
I am thankful for lwg for providing a link to a similar document but not the original.
The photocopy of which is here
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Brittide%20petmine.pdf
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:03 - Nov 19 with 310 viewsexiledclaseboy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:01 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

The links to the original pdf document do not go to it as I showed in my first post.
Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote.
Would you like a few more links that don't work, because I tried quite a few before I found a very poor copy of the original pdf.
I am thankful for lwg for providing a link to a similar document but not the original.
The photocopy of which is here
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Brittide%20petmine.pdf


It’s available from The National Archives.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:14 - Nov 19 with 298 viewsLeonWasGod

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 20:34 - Nov 19 by A_Fans_Dad

You really are dumb at times, I first came across it in an article by Booker in the Telegraph in 2012 here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9233096/Europe-alienates-us-al

and then it resurfaced in the Express in 2018 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

and then again in the Express in 2019 here

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-docu

I also read the 2002 analysis by Richard North when the document was released, but not at that time here

http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/FCOsovereignty2.pdf

I had a link to it in my Firefox Bookmarks, none of those links now work.


Not as dumb as dsomeone who thinks that document doesn't highlight the future direction of EU integration, but there we go. Takes all sorts I suppose.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:39 - Nov 19 with 278 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 21:14 - Nov 19 by LeonWasGod

Not as dumb as dsomeone who thinks that document doesn't highlight the future direction of EU integration, but there we go. Takes all sorts I suppose.


Are you completely dumb then, that was the very reason that I highlighted it.
Because it was witheld from the public.
Many consider it was Treason by Heath, taking us into the EEC under false pretences.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:39 - Nov 19 with 212 viewsGlyn1

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:37 - Nov 17 by waynekerr55

No, no, no. It's the "remain" parliament, that despite being remainers didn't force through a referendum nor revoke A50.

This is beyond parody now.


Blame the pro-Brexit Tory MPs who voted down Teresa May's exit deal because there weren't enough unicorns in it, or something. If they had voted with her the UK would have been out of the EU several months ago.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 08:14 - Nov 20 with 156 viewswaynekerr55

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 23:39 - Nov 19 by Glyn1

Blame the pro-Brexit Tory MPs who voted down Teresa May's exit deal because there weren't enough unicorns in it, or something. If they had voted with her the UK would have been out of the EU several months ago.


Oh come on. Her deal didn't have a border in the Irish Sea, or something

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