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1:19 pm today was the exact mid point from when the result that the Great British public had decided to leave the EU and the time 11pm March 29th 2019 that Democracy will be delivered.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:30 - Jul 9 with 995 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Jul 9 by LeonWasGod

'Betrayal of trust'. They're very good at strap lines and playing on emotions, I'll give them that.


And yet have to feel that at some point the charm of the bombastic purely emotional appeal will wear off.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:31 - Jul 9 with 992 viewswobbly

The Countdown begins. on 13:37 - Jul 9 by sherpajacob

You've answered your own question.

Because they would have won the General Election.

General elections are binding, parliament is sovereign. referendums are not.

No parliament may bind its successor, anybody who understands parliamentary sovereignty knows that.


Constitutionally, I think this is a pretty dangerous argument. A GE does not ‘overturn’ a single issue plebiscite in the way you describe.
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. .although granted that's hard to believe listening to the nauseating JRM.

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The Countdown begins. on 14:27 - Jul 9 by LeonWasGod

'Betrayal of trust'. They're very good at strap lines and playing on emotions, I'll give them that.


But a bit light on plans on how to, y’know, Leave.

It is an absolute travesty that in two years, not one of those Brexiteers have come up with anything resembling a plan to leave. A lot of carping and criticism of other people’s plans, but nothing of their own.

It really is an absolute shambles. The political pygmies of Westminster should hang their heads in shame.
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The Countdown begins. on 15:06 - Jul 9 with 935 viewsLeonWasGod

The Countdown begins. on 13:28 - Jul 8 by Kerouac

Spin it how you want to spin it but the uncomfortable facts (for those slinging mud at the character of these Brexiteers "they don't want to take responsibility!" ) are;

- Leadsom ran for leadership
- Gove ran for leadership
- Fox ran for leadership
- Davis has previously ran for leadership and is presently THE BREXIT MINISTER
- Boris wanted leadership and was going to run but was outmanoeuvred by Gove

...Davis has always been anti-EU.
He is a pragmatist though.
What changed was the country moved to his position...hence UKIP were winning EU elections here.


Are you still convinced the Brexiteers are in it for the long haul?
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The Countdown begins. on 16:18 - Jul 9 with 897 viewspikeypaul

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The Countdown begins. on 16:40 - Jul 9 with 872 viewssherpajacob

The Countdown begins. on 14:31 - Jul 9 by wobbly

Constitutionally, I think this is a pretty dangerous argument. A GE does not ‘overturn’ a single issue plebiscite in the way you describe.


Parliament is sovereign, have you not been following.

A general election has far far more weight than a binary single issue advisory referendum.

if UKIP had won a majority at a GE they would have taken the UK straight out of the EU without a referendum on the back of the GE mandate.

The fact that they never won any MPs, indicates how high membership of the EU is as an issue amongst most people.

The really dangerous constitutional argument is the plebiscite, will of the people, mob rule one.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:42 - Jul 9 with 871 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 13:37 - Jul 9 by sherpajacob

You've answered your own question.

Because they would have won the General Election.

General elections are binding, parliament is sovereign. referendums are not.

No parliament may bind its successor, anybody who understands parliamentary sovereignty knows that.


The Tories won the last General Election, they did so promising to leave the European Union, the Single Market, the Customs Union and the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

So how come you don't respect that result OR the referendum OR the fact that Labour ran on a similar manifesto.
The problem is with you lot is that you think the general public is too stupid to see through your lies.
They are not.
No crying from your lot when they get what's coming now.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:47 - Jul 9 with 868 viewsHighjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:40 - Jul 9 by sherpajacob

Parliament is sovereign, have you not been following.

A general election has far far more weight than a binary single issue advisory referendum.

if UKIP had won a majority at a GE they would have taken the UK straight out of the EU without a referendum on the back of the GE mandate.

The fact that they never won any MPs, indicates how high membership of the EU is as an issue amongst most people.

The really dangerous constitutional argument is the plebiscite, will of the people, mob rule one.


Well both the conservatives and labour campaigned at the last election to leave the EU and received nearly 80% of the vote between them.

Edit: someone got there before me.
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The Countdown begins. on 16:48 - Jul 9 with 862 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 13:43 - Jul 9 by sherpajacob

A brexiteer who clearly hasn't understood what has been spelled out in black and white.

Yet they all understood what they were voting for.


What the f*ck are you talking about.
You and others have repeatedly said on here that Davis is lazy and has done 4hrs work on Brexit in 2 years.
I have asked you all for evidence...
Thick c*nts trying to wriggle off the hook now.


There is a lot more to preparing and negotiating for such a deal of course...and of course how much time you spend in the room with the bloke you are negotiating with depends on that bloke's willingness to sit down and negotiate...and of course your own side's willingness to allow you to go ahead and negotiate the deal (we now learn).

The whole thing was a sham.
May and the remainers in her cabinet will be removed and replaced by people who believe in Brexit or there will be riots on the streets...that's what happens when minorities try to dictate to the majority.
Democracy was supposed to be a civilised way to avoid such outcomes.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Jul 9 with 859 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 14:12 - Jul 9 by johnlangy

What if Labour win the GE on a manifesto comittment to keep us in the EU ? Effectively a second referendum.


That would be different....but as we all know, they haven't got the guts to back up their mouths.
The whole way along they have been trying to make out they are for Brexit whilst doing everything they can think of to derail Brexit.

They do this of course because they are sure that they will lose at the ballot box.

A GE = Brexit MPs victory 2:1 based on how the country has already voted.

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The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Jul 9 with 859 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 16:48 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

What the f*ck are you talking about.
You and others have repeatedly said on here that Davis is lazy and has done 4hrs work on Brexit in 2 years.
I have asked you all for evidence...
Thick c*nts trying to wriggle off the hook now.


There is a lot more to preparing and negotiating for such a deal of course...and of course how much time you spend in the room with the bloke you are negotiating with depends on that bloke's willingness to sit down and negotiate...and of course your own side's willingness to allow you to go ahead and negotiate the deal (we now learn).

The whole thing was a sham.
May and the remainers in her cabinet will be removed and replaced by people who believe in Brexit or there will be riots on the streets...that's what happens when minorities try to dictate to the majority.
Democracy was supposed to be a civilised way to avoid such outcomes.


Well done.

Pleased you have digested my earlier explanation about how these things work; who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?

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The Countdown begins. on 16:55 - Jul 9 with 856 viewsKerouac

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But a bit light on plans on how to, y’know, Leave.

It is an absolute travesty that in two years, not one of those Brexiteers have come up with anything resembling a plan to leave. A lot of carping and criticism of other people’s plans, but nothing of their own.

It really is an absolute shambles. The political pygmies of Westminster should hang their heads in shame.


They haven't been able to take forward their plans because the 'remainers' in government and the civil service are preventing them from doing so....holding them to account for that is a bit rich.
F*cking sham

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The Countdown begins. on 17:04 - Jul 9 with 846 viewsjohnlangy

The Countdown begins. on 14:28 - Jul 9 by Highjack

The issue with that is labour are acutely aware that huge swathes of their traditional support base are eurosceptics. The bulk of the brexit vote came from the big labour heartlands.


I know that. I'm not saying they'll win although, if they didn't win, bearing in mind the Conservatives are the biggest shambles of a government in my lifetime (that's a long, long time), then they would deserve all the ridicule they'd get.

My comment was in response to Kerouac asking why the 17 million that voted out should respect the result of a GE if Labour won and kept us in. They'd simply be carrying out their manifesto commitment, something which many governments fail to do.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:05 - Jul 9 with 842 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 16:52 - Jul 9 by Shaky

Well done.

Pleased you have digested my earlier explanation about how these things work; who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?


Hello again cretin...

Battersea Jack:
"4 hours talking with Michelle Barnier. He also hasn't come up with a Brexit plan in all that time either. What the hell has he been doing for the last 2 years?"

Kerouac:
"You expect anyone to believe that in 2 years David Davis' work on Brexit amounted to 4 hours?!?!?

...and I bet you are another one who classes himself as more intelligent "

DiscoDickhead:
"That is entirely plausible.

Meetings of international principals are supposed to dot the is and cross the ts on agreements that have been hammered out in the preceding months, sometimes even years, by their respective negotiating teams who do all the dogs work.

That is how these things actually work, believe it or not. "




Read it through slowly dickhead.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:08 - Jul 9 with 838 viewsKerouac

The Countdown begins. on 17:04 - Jul 9 by johnlangy

I know that. I'm not saying they'll win although, if they didn't win, bearing in mind the Conservatives are the biggest shambles of a government in my lifetime (that's a long, long time), then they would deserve all the ridicule they'd get.

My comment was in response to Kerouac asking why the 17 million that voted out should respect the result of a GE if Labour won and kept us in. They'd simply be carrying out their manifesto commitment, something which many governments fail to do.


Can you not see that there is a problem with the manifesto commitments of both the Conservative and Labour parties at the last General Election compared to how their MPs have behaved since?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:10 - Jul 9 with 835 viewsShaky

The Countdown begins. on 17:05 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

Hello again cretin...

Battersea Jack:
"4 hours talking with Michelle Barnier. He also hasn't come up with a Brexit plan in all that time either. What the hell has he been doing for the last 2 years?"

Kerouac:
"You expect anyone to believe that in 2 years David Davis' work on Brexit amounted to 4 hours?!?!?

...and I bet you are another one who classes himself as more intelligent "

DiscoDickhead:
"That is entirely plausible.

Meetings of international principals are supposed to dot the is and cross the ts on agreements that have been hammered out in the preceding months, sometimes even years, by their respective negotiating teams who do all the dogs work.

That is how these things actually work, believe it or not. "




Read it through slowly dickhead.


That's right, you read it through slowly.

No need to thank me for explaining things to you.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:25 - Jul 9 with 823 viewsjohnlangy

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Can you not see that there is a problem with the manifesto commitments of both the Conservative and Labour parties at the last General Election compared to how their MPs have behaved since?


Not arguing that.
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The Countdown begins. on 17:32 - Jul 9 with 814 viewslonglostjack

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Can you not see that there is a problem with the manifesto commitments of both the Conservative and Labour parties at the last General Election compared to how their MPs have behaved since?


Thought you were a LibDem?

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The Countdown begins. on 17:48 - Jul 9 with 799 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 13:25 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

F*ck off fantasist.


We all must have seen David Davis in more than 4 hours of Brexit committee footage.

...but let's not argue, please provide me with detailed evidence and analysis of his movements since being appointed.
Try and stick to facts for a change


Fair play..

Thick as mince.

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The Countdown begins. on 17:54 - Jul 9 with 787 viewsGowerjack

The Countdown begins. on 16:48 - Jul 9 by Kerouac

What the f*ck are you talking about.
You and others have repeatedly said on here that Davis is lazy and has done 4hrs work on Brexit in 2 years.
I have asked you all for evidence...
Thick c*nts trying to wriggle off the hook now.


There is a lot more to preparing and negotiating for such a deal of course...and of course how much time you spend in the room with the bloke you are negotiating with depends on that bloke's willingness to sit down and negotiate...and of course your own side's willingness to allow you to go ahead and negotiate the deal (we now learn).

The whole thing was a sham.
May and the remainers in her cabinet will be removed and replaced by people who believe in Brexit or there will be riots on the streets...that's what happens when minorities try to dictate to the majority.
Democracy was supposed to be a civilised way to avoid such outcomes.


You fool.

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