| PCN 14:27 - Feb 12 with 2381 views | ted_hendrix |
That's It an effing PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE not one but two, for the last 4/5 Years I've been driving down the same road In Oxford to a certain hospital and parking in one of the disabled parking bays and exhibiting my disabled 'Blue Badge' In the screen, this on the advice of one of the Nurses.
Never ever been a problem In fact It's been a godsend.
On the 30th January I did exactly that and innocently drove down the same old road and parked In the same old car park and displayed the same old blue badge whilst parking In the same old car park happy In the knowledge that I had done nothing Illegal.
But no, Oh no somehow I have been Issued two Penalty Notice Charges, One for driving In a congestion charge area and one for parking In a car park that I've parked In many-many times as It's free for Blue badge holders.
I seriously had no Idea that a congestion charge had been extended and that I was no longer allowed to park and display my blue badge (FOC), I guarantee you I would happily pay parking charges but I've never had too.
I give up I fcking well give up and the reason being there Is no way to contest these charges although I've tried.
I've paid up £90 this morning, nobody to talk too who Issue these fines.
I've done my time for this Country, never unemployed worked since the age of Sixteen, I don't want or take any benefits from anyone, I have a clean driving licence all my life.
But I've driven down a road that all of a sudden has become part of the congestion area and I've parked In a car park that all of a sudden Is a no go area, I promise you no signs have been erected saying congestion area and no signs In the hospital disabled car park.
What the hell Is going On? time was you could pick up the phone and talk to someone, now you have to go on line and talk to a bastard keyboard and you better be quick or you'll be logged out due to Inactivity (you know sitting there for a few seconds thinking before answering).
Honestly what on earth Is the bloody point.
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| PCN on 15:16 - Feb 12 with 2196 views | Boston |
Contact the hospital, your local MP, your local council, any senior service bodies - make yourself a bloody nuisance. |  |
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| PCN on 15:35 - Feb 12 with 2142 views | Lblock |
The agenda is that motorists are a soft target.
It's happening all over.
It's nothing more than "sharp practice" which is the polite term.
The way to get by in this country now is to either be a mutli millionaire or do everything as illegally as you can, by which I mean don't comply to the system, ignore the rules etc, etc, etc |  |
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| PCN on 16:38 - Feb 12 with 2001 views | ted_hendrix |
| PCN on 15:16 - Feb 12 by Boston |
Contact the hospital, your local MP, your local council, any senior service bodies - make yourself a bloody nuisance. |
Up to a point I've done that and I haven't finished yet, the hospital will say the car parks are contracted out to private Companies. They'll say I'll have to take It up with them which I will and started to do this morning, but It's crap £215 per year to tax my car and drive on poorly lit roads that are full of bastard pot holes and sunken fcking manholes but yea well lets all just put up with this shit.
I promise you I'm not feeling sorry for myself but I'm angry and rightly so In my book.
The day I copped for this PCN was the appointment day I had been waiting ages for I was with the consultant for no more than Five minutes just enough time for him to tell me about my serious operation day which will probably be towards the end of this Year.
Tax my sorry backside to death you bastards. | |
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| PCN on 17:00 - Feb 12 with 1908 views | EastR |
Sorry you're having a day of it Red, I'm sure the medical situation is stressful enough without being compounded by the other nonsense.
May not help retrospectively but some potentially useful info below.
Looks like you qualify for a permit for the congestion area based on having a blue badge. Details here on how to apply
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk
The fact that you've paid the PCN probably excludes you appealing it now
https://resolvo.uk/blog/how-to
If it is operated by euro car parks as opposed to the local authority or hospital. | |
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| PCN on 17:05 - Feb 12 with 1882 views | dannyblue |
I drove for years, decades even. Often doing 25 or 75. Not proud of that, just sloppy. Never had a speeding ticket. Or a parking ticket. Got a new car 3 months ago and it seems to be cursed. Suddenly a ticket for 26mph, and another for driving on a road that's prohibited between 2:30 and 3:30, and a parking ticket while my parking permit was being renewed (challenged). 2 out of 3 are a fair cop...but I haven't been doing anything different... |  | | |
| PCN on 17:06 - Feb 12 with 1867 views | Hooping_Mad |
| PCN on 16:38 - Feb 12 by ted_hendrix |
Up to a point I've done that and I haven't finished yet, the hospital will say the car parks are contracted out to private Companies. They'll say I'll have to take It up with them which I will and started to do this morning, but It's crap £215 per year to tax my car and drive on poorly lit roads that are full of bastard pot holes and sunken fcking manholes but yea well lets all just put up with this shit.
I promise you I'm not feeling sorry for myself but I'm angry and rightly so In my book.
The day I copped for this PCN was the appointment day I had been waiting ages for I was with the consultant for no more than Five minutes just enough time for him to tell me about my serious operation day which will probably be towards the end of this Year.
Tax my sorry backside to death you bastards. |
Can I ask which hospital please? I use the Churchill regularly and would like to avoid this next time I visit.
System is a complete joke, its why many have lost faith with it. | |
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| PCN on 17:09 - Feb 12 with 1850 views | E17hoop |
The bad news is that paying the £90 means the chance of challenging it is significantly reduced – probably 5% or less.
If there was a lack of signage for the congestion zone AND the parking area, you might have a claim. For example, if there are missing entry signs, obscured or vandalised signs, non-compliant sign designs, or a new restriction introduced without a legally required notice period, this may lead to confusion.
The bad news is that using the road for years, or a nurse telling you, your character, or frustration don't affect liability. |  |
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| PCN on 17:42 - Feb 12 with 1739 views | ted_hendrix |
| PCN on 17:09 - Feb 12 by E17hoop |
The bad news is that paying the £90 means the chance of challenging it is significantly reduced – probably 5% or less.
If there was a lack of signage for the congestion zone AND the parking area, you might have a claim. For example, if there are missing entry signs, obscured or vandalised signs, non-compliant sign designs, or a new restriction introduced without a legally required notice period, this may lead to confusion.
The bad news is that using the road for years, or a nurse telling you, your character, or frustration don't affect liability. |
I understand the liability and was in the process of challenging the PCN this morning through the right channels, the challenge hit a brick wall and tbh I gave up through frustration.
The nurse telling me how and when to park was a long-long time ago, we get out of the car rightly or wrongly don't look around for any new parking restriction signs put the blue badge In the windscreen and that's It. | |
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| PCN on 17:44 - Feb 12 with 1729 views | Boston |
If you, or anyone else, feel compelled to write a cheque even though you consider there's a justifiable reason not to...print 'Paid under duress' on the back of it (or the front), this will help nullify the payees claim you don't have an argument as you've already settled. | |
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| PCN on 17:46 - Feb 12 with 1715 views | ted_hendrix |
| PCN on 17:06 - Feb 12 by Hooping_Mad |
Can I ask which hospital please? I use the Churchill regularly and would like to avoid this next time I visit.
System is a complete joke, its why many have lost faith with it. |
Churchill hospital, apparently the camera location was St Clements Street (according to the PCN) | |
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| PCN on 17:53 - Feb 12 with 1682 views | ted_hendrix |
| PCN on 17:00 - Feb 12 by EastR |
Sorry you're having a day of it Red, I'm sure the medical situation is stressful enough without being compounded by the other nonsense.
May not help retrospectively but some potentially useful info below.
Looks like you qualify for a permit for the congestion area based on having a blue badge. Details here on how to apply
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk
The fact that you've paid the PCN probably excludes you appealing it now
https://resolvo.uk/blog/how-to
If it is operated by euro car parks as opposed to the local authority or hospital. |
Yes I'm already In the middle of applying for the congestion permit. | |
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| PCN on 17:59 - Feb 12 with 1651 views | Lblock |
| PCN on 17:53 - Feb 12 by ted_hendrix |
Yes I'm already In the middle of applying for the congestion permit. |
So here's the thing....... why should you have to?
In this day and age surely there's a way of the central DVLA database saying this car is registered to someone already entitled to exemptions.
I suppose I torpedo my own arguement that the blue badge is attached the person and not the car.
Ah I dunno............ it's crap all ends up | |
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| PCN on 18:37 - Feb 12 with 1519 views | colinallcars |
| PCN on 17:59 - Feb 12 by Lblock |
So here's the thing....... why should you have to?
In this day and age surely there's a way of the central DVLA database saying this car is registered to someone already entitled to exemptions.
I suppose I torpedo my own arguement that the blue badge is attached the person and not the car.
Ah I dunno............ it's crap all ends up |
Yes, the badge is person specific not vehicle specific.
In some parts of Hammersmith it seems half the cars have a blue badge - they must be fakes.
The other day there was a scrap metal truck parked in our street displaying a badge.
Hammersmith council are largely unapproachable otherwise I might have reported it. |  | | |
| PCN on 19:05 - Feb 12 with 1434 views | Benny_the_Ball |
I feel for ya, Ted. These days honesty is not always the best policy. As others have alluded to, properly registered motorists are treated as cash cows.
2 years after her passing, my mum received a court fine for not insuring a vehicle that had long been scrapped. I called the court to inform them that she no longer lived at the address but I could provide forwarding details. The gentleman on the line asked for a moment to grab a pen and paper. When he returned to the call, I duly provided the address of the crematorium.
My aunt received a fine from the DVLA for not taxing a vehicle that had been written off the year before and the insurance company settled. To add to the hilarity, the insurance company had long sold the car on as accident damaged. Some one else had bought it, repaired it, and put it back on the road. When I checked online, the vehicle was showing as taxed. Honestly, you couldn't make it up.
The point is that it's always worth challenging PCNs because these days nearly everything is auto-generated by computers that don't read between the lines. [Post edited 12 Feb 19:07]
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| PCN on 19:47 - Feb 12 with 1332 views | colinallcars |
Hammersmith council are introducing digital blue badges when parked in the street where you live but the cardboard one still to be used anywhere else. | | | |
| PCN on 20:27 - Feb 12 with 1248 views | ted_hendrix |
FWIW I've been On Oxford CC website for over an hour, I sign In and I start making my point blah blah blah blah, I go to the next page and carry on, then It tells me to log In (I WAS LOGGED IN) Jesus wept, I'll do what I always do and pay my debts but fck me when I last signed In the EFFING robot told me that Username and account Is being used by somebody already and cannot be used, I KNOW IT'S ME.............................................................ME you stupid BASTARD shove the £90 right up your collective arses. | |
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| PCN on 21:54 - Feb 12 with 1140 views | Bluce_Ree |
Another good reason to live in a semi-rural village. You know, you can park outside the shops here and even on the main road.
It's like living in the '80s. |  |
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| PCN on 21:57 - Feb 12 with 1127 views | SimonJames |
I went through the Blackwall Tunnel in November, for the first time since they started charging for it.
Went on the TFL website to pay and got an error message when I tried to sign up for Auto Pay.
Continued to get an error message every time I tried for the next two days.
Finally rang a number and was told that I was too late to pay the £4 charge and they had now sent me a PCN for £180!!!!!!!!!!
London Mayor and his cronies are taking the piss.
I challenged the PCN and got a 5 page explanation letter back (twice) from Donna Milton telling me why TFL were rejecting my appeal.
I wrote back to Ms Milton and said that I must not have explained well enough that their website was at fault.
They then sent me a 6 page letter saying that they were still rejecting my appeal and that I should pay up £180.
So on 17 Jan I sent an appeal to London Tribunals Adjudicators (with a video walk-thru of the TFL website f***ing up).
They gave me a virtual court date of 13 Feb.
On 31 Jan I got a letter saying that TFL will not contest that appeal and will pay any further costs.
This is how they are wasting your congestion charges revenue. Clown show!
Later I got a letter from the people who had previously sent me a total of eleven pages of reasons why they were rejecting my appeal.
They wrote this gibberish "We have reviewed the issue of the PCN and the handling of your representation. As a result it has come to our attention that an administrative error occured in the processing of the representation... we have decided that the appeal can be non contested and the PCN can be cancelled and no further action taken. We apologise for any inconvenience..." |  |
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| PCN on 22:23 - Feb 12 with 1027 views | stevec |
Sad to say, Ted, but we are ruled by cnts who absolutely hate us, it really is that simple. |  | | |
| PCN on 22:40 - Feb 12 with 989 views | Hooping_Mad |
We used to run the world, we can't organise a piss up in a brewery now.
Sorry this happened Ted, not what you need or deserve. Hope they are treating you well in there.
Oxford seems to be run by a cabal of sociopaths intent on turning the place into an Orwellian dump. Born there and I hate the place.
Here are the charge locations if anyone needs them: https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk | |
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| PCN on 23:11 - Feb 12 with 908 views | ted_hendrix |
Thanks for your comments Lads, your a good bunch. | |
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| PCN on 23:18 - Feb 12 with 881 views | SydneyRs |
Not much better here in Aus, all about revenue raising. Argue and you'll get a templated response saying go to court if you want to fight it. No human interaction. Of course most people won't go to court over smallish amounts and they know this, because of the risk of have costs awarded against you etc. You get told "its on our website" in relation to rules that aren't obvious, as if the general public spends its time perusing the finer points of driver penalty rules at weekends.
Last time I was in the UK I had a hire car and drove through Harrow the way I always had when living there. After getting back here discovered I'd been fined and credit card already debited by the car hire firm. Wrote to the council explaining I was visiting on holiday, that road had always been fine to drive through back when I lived there and I simply didn't know new rules now applied. Waste of time. | | | |
| PCN on 10:07 - Feb 13 with 537 views | TheChef |
| PCN on 21:57 - Feb 12 by SimonJames |
I went through the Blackwall Tunnel in November, for the first time since they started charging for it.
Went on the TFL website to pay and got an error message when I tried to sign up for Auto Pay.
Continued to get an error message every time I tried for the next two days.
Finally rang a number and was told that I was too late to pay the £4 charge and they had now sent me a PCN for £180!!!!!!!!!!
London Mayor and his cronies are taking the piss.
I challenged the PCN and got a 5 page explanation letter back (twice) from Donna Milton telling me why TFL were rejecting my appeal.
I wrote back to Ms Milton and said that I must not have explained well enough that their website was at fault.
They then sent me a 6 page letter saying that they were still rejecting my appeal and that I should pay up £180.
So on 17 Jan I sent an appeal to London Tribunals Adjudicators (with a video walk-thru of the TFL website f***ing up).
They gave me a virtual court date of 13 Feb.
On 31 Jan I got a letter saying that TFL will not contest that appeal and will pay any further costs.
This is how they are wasting your congestion charges revenue. Clown show!
Later I got a letter from the people who had previously sent me a total of eleven pages of reasons why they were rejecting my appeal.
They wrote this gibberish "We have reviewed the issue of the PCN and the handling of your representation. As a result it has come to our attention that an administrative error occured in the processing of the representation... we have decided that the appeal can be non contested and the PCN can be cancelled and no further action taken. We apologise for any inconvenience..." |
Fck me.
I mean reaching the stage where I could just move to another country to get away from all the increasing daily BS we have to endure, but they all seem equally fckd. |  |
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