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There is an article within that stipulate the "right" of a prisoner to marry in prison.
This includes monsters like Bellfield.
I this worthy of discussion . I find it hard to do so but maybe the rest of you can a it's topical and apposite to Bellfield's case.
It has to be said prisoners have more rights than victims families and of course the victim him/herself who has no rights left whatsoever.
I will say Bellfield is a paradigm for capital punishment which many still support although they are smothered by the very people who created the Human Rights Act in the first place-arguably.
I thought prison was about punishment, when I was young. In the modern world it has become about a lot more. Prisoners seem free to live their lives behind the walls. They have tv and internet, the right to marry and seem to have easy access to drugs.
There is nothing much off putting about prison to a career criminal. Sentences are getting lower, time inside is apparently easy.
I am, in the right circumstances, in favour of the death penalty. Bellfield fits those circumstances.
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 10:30 - May 13 with 1184 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 09:43 - May 13 by Lorax
I thought prison was about punishment, when I was young. In the modern world it has become about a lot more. Prisoners seem free to live their lives behind the walls. They have tv and internet, the right to marry and seem to have easy access to drugs.
There is nothing much off putting about prison to a career criminal. Sentences are getting lower, time inside is apparently easy.
I am, in the right circumstances, in favour of the death penalty. Bellfield fits those circumstances.
Terrific riposte . You truly are ahelluva poster
Prison is there to protect us and anything more is a bonus
Right now, a Murderer from Hull who slaughtered a child is appealing against his whole life sentence
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 09:43 - May 13 by Lorax
I thought prison was about punishment, when I was young. In the modern world it has become about a lot more. Prisoners seem free to live their lives behind the walls. They have tv and internet, the right to marry and seem to have easy access to drugs.
There is nothing much off putting about prison to a career criminal. Sentences are getting lower, time inside is apparently easy.
I am, in the right circumstances, in favour of the death penalty. Bellfield fits those circumstances.
Career criminals are more deterred by frequent shorter sentences than long ones as it interferes with their "career."
Bellfield etc, is another matter
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 13:29 - May 13 with 1148 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 13:29 - May 13 by raynor94
Capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes should never have been abolished.
What is the point of a full life sentence?
These creatures don't deserve to breathe the same air as the rest of us.
Wasting millions
Full life was the carrot offered to MPs to have pass the Abolition Bill. Basically ,they were conned as the Bill might not well have passed otherwise. The first and luckiest ones to escape the rope were Brady and Hindley. Human Rights my ringpiece.
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 13:38 - May 13 by onehunglow
Full life was the carrot offered to MPs to have pass the Abolition Bill. Basically ,they were conned as the Bill might not well have passed otherwise. The first and luckiest ones to escape the rope were Brady and Hindley. Human Rights my ringpiece.
It had nothing to do with human rights. It was abhorrent , ineffective as a deterrent and often executed the innocent
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 16:46 - May 13 with 1110 views
The reason these psycho's do their 'prison requests' and innocence scam campaigns is because they know the fact there are many lowlife nutjobs out there that'll support them.
Look at the serial killer, child killer and family killer and his devotee in the video at 45:20s onwards.
"Well listen I love you, Good luck, Give my love to the boys" and the intimate hand touching goodbye FFS. Says a lot of what we are dealing with here. The guy is being manipulated by a psychopath and way too stupid to realise it!
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 11:32 - May 13 by controversial_jack
Career criminals are more deterred by frequent shorter sentences than long ones as it interferes with their "career."
Bellfield etc, is another matter
Not you again! That makes absolutely no sense. How can 3 x 6 month sentences interfere more than a straight 18 months?
What irritates is the people with a long rap sheet who keep getting community service or custody probation. I know of one, where we used to live, who had committed a string of burglaries, well over double figures, he did them high on drugs and was accused of assaults as well, he was out a few days after a 6 month stretch and robbed his own friends house. Not the brightest spark because he was seen by several people and reported when neighbours found out it had happened. He didn't go back inside though. I don't know what his punishment was but I saw him walking around the area regularly afterwards.
OHL, I have nothing against Barristers, we have a system and yes, it's not perfect but it's what we have, it's not their fault our criminal justice system is weak.
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 17:01 - May 13 with 1092 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 16:58 - May 13 by Lorax
Not you again! That makes absolutely no sense. How can 3 x 6 month sentences interfere more than a straight 18 months?
What irritates is the people with a long rap sheet who keep getting community service or custody probation. I know of one, where we used to live, who had committed a string of burglaries, well over double figures, he did them high on drugs and was accused of assaults as well, he was out a few days after a 6 month stretch and robbed his own friends house. Not the brightest spark because he was seen by several people and reported when neighbours found out it had happened. He didn't go back inside though. I don't know what his punishment was but I saw him walking around the area regularly afterwards.
OHL, I have nothing against Barristers, we have a system and yes, it's not perfect but it's what we have, it's not their fault our criminal justice system is weak.
The number of times you see someone in the news who has committed a horrendously violent act and then it goes on to say they have about 80 previous convictions, it’s so frustrating. Just lock the scum up forever, it’s not hard to go through life without committing serious crimes.
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 17:41 - May 13 with 1075 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 16:58 - May 13 by Lorax
Not you again! That makes absolutely no sense. How can 3 x 6 month sentences interfere more than a straight 18 months?
What irritates is the people with a long rap sheet who keep getting community service or custody probation. I know of one, where we used to live, who had committed a string of burglaries, well over double figures, he did them high on drugs and was accused of assaults as well, he was out a few days after a 6 month stretch and robbed his own friends house. Not the brightest spark because he was seen by several people and reported when neighbours found out it had happened. He didn't go back inside though. I don't know what his punishment was but I saw him walking around the area regularly afterwards.
OHL, I have nothing against Barristers, we have a system and yes, it's not perfect but it's what we have, it's not their fault our criminal justice system is weak.
I don't know why, as i'm not a criminologist and I don't believe you are either, it's just what I have read
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 08:02 - May 14 with 998 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 16:58 - May 13 by Lorax
Not you again! That makes absolutely no sense. How can 3 x 6 month sentences interfere more than a straight 18 months?
What irritates is the people with a long rap sheet who keep getting community service or custody probation. I know of one, where we used to live, who had committed a string of burglaries, well over double figures, he did them high on drugs and was accused of assaults as well, he was out a few days after a 6 month stretch and robbed his own friends house. Not the brightest spark because he was seen by several people and reported when neighbours found out it had happened. He didn't go back inside though. I don't know what his punishment was but I saw him walking around the area regularly afterwards.
OHL, I have nothing against Barristers, we have a system and yes, it's not perfect but it's what we have, it's not their fault our criminal justice system is weak.
What I question is the fact that they are tasked with defending often pure evil and it is something I couldnt do.I could say much more but let's just say defending the murderers of Rhys Jones and witnessing their attitude in Court is a hard take.
Nobody force anyone into any profession and take note ,I am careful not to impugn barristers personally but the job their do and the mentality to be able and willing to do so.
I have to be careful as thee remarks saw me banned previously.
It is said we should be judged as a country as to how we treat our prisoners,which is does;it shows we are dumbases. A counrty should be judged as to how it protects its law abiding people.the frail,old,very young and vulnerable. We let people out of jail early to reoffend and to murder in particular and it's in THEIR interest as they no longer pose a threat. People have lost their lives because of this and nobody is that bothered. No demoes,hardly any news-nada
Human Rights is often used as a cover for true evil .It's great to discuss in a court free from the sight of a murder scene but it's the stench of it that the court misses out on.
The Dutch seem to be doing something right. Their prisons are half empty and they even rent cells out to Belgium. They don't seem to have the drug problems inside that we do
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 16:46 - May 14 with 939 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 15:47 - May 14 by controversial_jack
The Dutch seem to be doing something right. Their prisons are half empty and they even rent cells out to Belgium. They don't seem to have the drug problems inside that we do
No drubs problems in Netherlands.! Wow. You know nowt. Plenty of drug issues and not helped by their liberal attitude to punishment. Trust me ,it is not nirvana.
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 18:10 - May 14 by onehunglow
No drubs problems in Netherlands.! Wow. You know nowt. Plenty of drug issues and not helped by their liberal attitude to punishment. Trust me ,it is not nirvana.
I stated within the prisons. I talked with a Den Haag guy over for the last home game. He's a prison officer there and said " They don't have a significant drugs problem within the prison." I know that Dutch prisons are relatively empty, that's been in the media many times. You really should read posts properly before commenting, it would save you a lot of embarrassment and same others having to explain to you
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 10:33 - May 15 with 832 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 10:18 - May 15 by controversial_jack
I stated within the prisons. I talked with a Den Haag guy over for the last home game. He's a prison officer there and said " They don't have a significant drugs problem within the prison." I know that Dutch prisons are relatively empty, that's been in the media many times. You really should read posts properly before commenting, it would save you a lot of embarrassment and same others having to explain to you
Drug problems have also significantly reduced in UK prisons in the last two years. Thanks to the introduction of airport style security, biometric identification for visitors and advanced drug-testing machines.
Over 20,000 attempts to smuggle drugs and weapons have be foiled over the last years.
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 10:33 - May 15 by felixstowe_jack
Drug problems have also significantly reduced in UK prisons in the last two years. Thanks to the introduction of airport style security, biometric identification for visitors and advanced drug-testing machines.
Over 20,000 attempts to smuggle drugs and weapons have be foiled over the last years.
If that's the case then great. I just wonder why it wasn't introduced earlier, it's not exactly new technology.
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The Human Rights Act and murderers on 12:19 - May 15 with 811 views
The Human Rights Act and murderers on 08:51 - May 15 by onehunglow
Whole lifre sentences.Are they wrong too? Is there any perfect system.
The smell of death .
It's great to debate though from the safety of your chair.
Next time a child is raped and slowly butchered by a released murderer,recall my words.
Whole life sentences are essential.
Your ‘hang them high’ approach is proven not to work as a deterrent. Thats why it was binned in the first place.
Aren’t you also debating from the comfort of your chair ? Or have you signed up to fight in the International Brigade in Ukraine - i thought not .. 🇬🇧
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