| Donald Trump 07:41 - Jun 2 with 17824 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Hiding in a bunker Saddam style according to Anonymous |  | | |  |
| Donald Trump on 11:21 - Jun 2 with 1593 views | jasper_T |
| Donald Trump on 11:16 - Jun 2 by Kerouac |
The protests are not peaceful.
We have all seen evidence of this so stop spreading lies. |
Until Minneapolis police went full "warrior training" trying to disperse the crowds, expecting them to fold and scatter, that's exactly what they were. The police lit the fuse, and they and the president are continuing to do so all over the US. |  | | |
| Donald Trump on 11:24 - Jun 2 with 1583 views | Ace_Jack |
takes a good little boot licker to justify this.
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| Donald Trump on 11:39 - Jun 2 with 1556 views | Kerouac |
| Donald Trump on 11:22 - Jun 2 by jasper_T |
Actually it's people that do these things, many of them very low paid. [Post edited 2 Jun 2020 11:23]
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People are going out and farming, picking, fertilising etc., packing, trading, shipping, organising banking, accounting, stacking, working the tills, delivering, spraying your f*cking trolley with anti-bac out of the good of their hearts are they?
They are happy accepting the risks and doing the necessary jobs while you stay at home with your thumb in your mouth are they.
Or is it all organised and motivated by Capitalism.
You are so f*cking naïve it is cringeworthy. Unfortunately there are millions like you now. Whole generations who never grew up. |  |
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| Donald Trump on 11:41 - Jun 2 with 1555 views | vetchonian |
| Donald Trump on 11:39 - Jun 2 by Kerouac |
People are going out and farming, picking, fertilising etc., packing, trading, shipping, organising banking, accounting, stacking, working the tills, delivering, spraying your f*cking trolley with anti-bac out of the good of their hearts are they?
They are happy accepting the risks and doing the necessary jobs while you stay at home with your thumb in your mouth are they.
Or is it all organised and motivated by Capitalism.
You are so f*cking naïve it is cringeworthy. Unfortunately there are millions like you now. Whole generations who never grew up. |
there you go throwing your dummy out of the pram again!!
How you can accuse anyone of not growing up.....unless of course you are an angry teenager who as we asll know from being there believe they know it all | |
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| Donald Trump on 11:48 - Jun 2 with 1541 views | Kerouac |
Great, let's try and keep all of the morons on one thread. | |
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| Donald Trump on 11:51 - Jun 2 with 1539 views | vetchonian |
| Donald Trump on 11:48 - Jun 2 by Kerouac |
Great, let's try and keep all of the morons on one thread. |
There you go again.....you have to resort to name calling ...keep going you are showing yourself in your true light
NO reasoned arguement with educated discussion just repeat what those you follw spout! | |
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| Donald Trump on 11:55 - Jun 2 with 1528 views | Kerouac |
| Donald Trump on 11:51 - Jun 2 by vetchonian |
There you go again.....you have to resort to name calling ...keep going you are showing yourself in your true light
NO reasoned arguement with educated discussion just repeat what those you follw spout! |
F*cking hell, you consider your argument "educated"  | |
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| Donald Trump on 11:56 - Jun 2 with 1533 views | jasper_T |
| Donald Trump on 11:39 - Jun 2 by Kerouac |
People are going out and farming, picking, fertilising etc., packing, trading, shipping, organising banking, accounting, stacking, working the tills, delivering, spraying your f*cking trolley with anti-bac out of the good of their hearts are they?
They are happy accepting the risks and doing the necessary jobs while you stay at home with your thumb in your mouth are they.
Or is it all organised and motivated by Capitalism.
You are so f*cking naïve it is cringeworthy. Unfortunately there are millions like you now. Whole generations who never grew up. |
We have to get Romanian migrant workers in to pick our fruit because our farms can't pay wages high enough for local workers. We're being rushed back to work in the middle of a pandemic because capitalism left us unprepared for a crisis.
People aren't going to work because our lord and saviour Capitalism rewards them adequately for doing so, it's because the reality for many people in our society is if they don't go out and do whatever shit, dangerous job is available to them then they can lose their (rented) homes, they and their children starve. All while the people who own the store and exploit their labour for profit get to sit at home, and make a donation to the police to go out and beat people on their behalf. The number of millionaires rises while we have a child poverty rate of 1 in 3.
Capitalism motivates by creating a situation where a huge percentage of people are driven to give up their lives to work simply to survive. It's a system of oppression for the enormous material benefit of very few. And in the United States they have become very good at it. 40m live in poverty, and that number will surely rise with 40m newly unemployed and few social safety nets. Half a million people file for bankruptcy due to medical expenses every year in their "motivated by capitalism" system. Fck the NHS, am I right? | | | |
| Donald Trump on 11:58 - Jun 2 with 1517 views | Kerouac |
| Donald Trump on 11:56 - Jun 2 by jasper_T |
We have to get Romanian migrant workers in to pick our fruit because our farms can't pay wages high enough for local workers. We're being rushed back to work in the middle of a pandemic because capitalism left us unprepared for a crisis.
People aren't going to work because our lord and saviour Capitalism rewards them adequately for doing so, it's because the reality for many people in our society is if they don't go out and do whatever shit, dangerous job is available to them then they can lose their (rented) homes, they and their children starve. All while the people who own the store and exploit their labour for profit get to sit at home, and make a donation to the police to go out and beat people on their behalf. The number of millionaires rises while we have a child poverty rate of 1 in 3.
Capitalism motivates by creating a situation where a huge percentage of people are driven to give up their lives to work simply to survive. It's a system of oppression for the enormous material benefit of very few. And in the United States they have become very good at it. 40m live in poverty, and that number will surely rise with 40m newly unemployed and few social safety nets. Half a million people file for bankruptcy due to medical expenses every year in their "motivated by capitalism" system. Fck the NHS, am I right? |
You can't educate pork. | |
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| Donald Trump on 12:36 - Jun 2 with 1476 views | Highjack |
What a lovely thread. |  |
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| Donald Trump on 12:36 - Jun 2 with 1476 views | Catullus |
I'm somewhere in between Kerouac and Ace here.
We all know that any large scale protest will attravt fringe groups intent on causing trouble and when they do the innocent get caught up with (and usually suffer more than) the guilty.
The protests in London that went bad, the Gilet Jaunes where I saw a news report that a man in a wheelchair had been beaten by police.
That said Trump's reaction has been more of a warlord than a President, he's behaving like he's putting down an insurrection. He has all the people skills and common sense of a rabid fox.
We know most socialist governments fail yet we know capitalism doesn't work for the majority.
Maybe socialist governments fail because the powerful capitalist states don't want them to succeed so set about making sure they don't. Maybe socialism can only work if the whole world does it? Saying that, socilaist governments often seem to end up being run by left wing versions of Trump anyway.
Whichever way it goes the rich are always better off and the poor suffer the consequences, usually in poorer public services, pay dropping in real terms and higher unemployment.
Which begs the question, what do we do? IS there a better way and who has the ideas for a better way forward?
The way the world is going, are we heading for a kill or cure moment? This virus has woken a lot of people up to the possibility that things could and should be better but those in power will be determined to hang on to power and keep the system that serves them best.
This George Floyd killing might have started something rolling (in the USA at least) that's very hard to stop.
PS, for the record, ALL racism is bad and Black people have every right to feel aggrieved but when I hear someone say all white people are racist then I get angry. I try to treat people the way they treat me, often better than they treat me, live and let live. | |
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| Donald Trump on 12:41 - Jun 2 with 1475 views | Lohengrin |
| Donald Trump on 11:17 - Jun 2 by Ace_Jack |
they are peaceful protesters you psychopath. [Post edited 2 Jun 2020 11:17]
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Not all of the protests have been, young Ace. I’ve been on dozens of protest marches over the years, all industry related aside from the Countryside Alliance London march back at the fag end of the ‘90s which was absolutely enormous and not once have I witnessed anybody break into a zoo enclosure and steal a monkey, have you?
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| Donald Trump on 12:44 - Jun 2 with 1468 views | BillyChong |
| Donald Trump on 10:44 - Jun 2 by vetchonian |
IS Boris with him as not much has been seen of him lately...lying low unlike that great leader Chrchill who at least would always put his head above the parapet...even if he did make some horrible decsions regarding Wales over the years... |
Yep. He was a bit of a Trump when it came to sending the troops in on Wales. | | | |
| Donald Trump on 12:47 - Jun 2 with 1459 views | Swanjaxs |
| Donald Trump on 12:36 - Jun 2 by Highjack |
What a lovely thread. |
I concur.
Marvellous. |  |
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| Donald Trump on 12:56 - Jun 2 with 1438 views | Humpty |
| Donald Trump on 11:12 - Jun 2 by jasper_T |
Compare this to when armed white right-wing groups were protesting the virus lockdowns *inside US government buildings* trying to intimidate governors, and having selfies with the on duty police.
When it's minorities standing up for their right to not be beaten and murdered in the streets by law enforcement they only hesitation police seem to have before shooting is whether to turn their body cams off or not. Reporters and bystanders are getting shot, gassed and beaten. And some racist bootlickers want to blame the protesters for responding violently. Why don't people who suffer injustice just quietly roll over and take more, eh?
Property can be repaired or replaced, but it's the only damage people in power care about (see again the virus lockdowns, they're happy to let people die going back to work rather than have a store close). |
Odd isn't it how you never see groups of black people demonstrating their 2nd amendment rights.
I wonder why. |  | | |
| Donald Trump on 13:17 - Jun 2 with 1413 views | Lohengrin |
| Donald Trump on 12:56 - Jun 2 by Humpty |
Odd isn't it how you never see groups of black people demonstrating their 2nd amendment rights.
I wonder why. |
There were plenty of black faces at the recent NRA rally in Richmond, Hump. They were a small minority but they were there. | |
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| Donald Trump on 13:48 - Jun 2 with 1375 views | Catullus |
| Donald Trump on 13:17 - Jun 2 by Lohengrin |
There were plenty of black faces at the recent NRA rally in Richmond, Hump. They were a small minority but they were there. |
Or maybe they were at a different meeting?
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/10/738493491/with-a-growing-membership-since-trump-b
All these seperate groups for different colours isn't going to help, groups for all these 'special interests' is causing more division, it doesn't bring us closer together or solve any problems.
Whatever colour, gender or religion people are, when they organise into groups it only seems to cause more arguments. We are all human beings, lets accept it and move on.
NB, opinion subject to change as more information becomes available! | |
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| Donald Trump on 13:54 - Jun 2 with 1369 views | jasper_T |
| Donald Trump on 11:39 - Jun 2 by Kerouac |
People are going out and farming, picking, fertilising etc., packing, trading, shipping, organising banking, accounting, stacking, working the tills, delivering, spraying your f*cking trolley with anti-bac out of the good of their hearts are they?
They are happy accepting the risks and doing the necessary jobs while you stay at home with your thumb in your mouth are they.
Or is it all organised and motivated by Capitalism.
You are so f*cking naïve it is cringeworthy. Unfortunately there are millions like you now. Whole generations who never grew up. |
To return to this, farming is heavily subsidised. Capitalism doesn't feed us, socialist initiatives within capitalist systems do. The US even holds a 1.5 billion lb cheese stockpile because releasing all that dairy onto the free market would crash its price. This while 12% of US citizens live in poverty and struggle to put food on the table. | | | |
| Donald Trump on 14:00 - Jun 2 with 1358 views | Highjack |
| Donald Trump on 12:56 - Jun 2 by Humpty |
Odd isn't it how you never see groups of black people demonstrating their 2nd amendment rights.
I wonder why. |
What about rappers? | |
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| Donald Trump on 14:08 - Jun 2 with 1345 views | Catullus |
| Donald Trump on 13:54 - Jun 2 by jasper_T |
To return to this, farming is heavily subsidised. Capitalism doesn't feed us, socialist initiatives within capitalist systems do. The US even holds a 1.5 billion lb cheese stockpile because releasing all that dairy onto the free market would crash its price. This while 12% of US citizens live in poverty and struggle to put food on the table. |
I'd also argue that many of those workers are not happy with the risks but they have little choice.
Whereas some people like working the so called low value jobs. I know someone who used to have a well paid job with a bank but wasn't happy, too much stress. She hung on in until her mortgage was paid off and now she works as a school cleaner and is very happy. She gets to spend a lot of time with her daughter, she always has a big smile on her face.
Jasper, I don't doubt what you say about the USA but why does the EU hold massive food stockpiles,
https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/eu-stockpiling-does-littl
it seems for the same reasons as the USA, to keep prices up. It's always coming back to money. Money is the root of our troubles. | |
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| Donald Trump on 14:12 - Jun 2 with 1335 views | NotLoyal |
| Donald Trump on 12:56 - Jun 2 by Humpty |
Odd isn't it how you never see groups of black people demonstrating their 2nd amendment rights.
I wonder why. |
They are shit at shooting 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Donald Trump on 14:15 - Jun 2 with 1326 views | Humpty |
| Donald Trump on 13:17 - Jun 2 by Lohengrin |
There were plenty of black faces at the recent NRA rally in Richmond, Hump. They were a small minority but they were there. |
I think you know the difference. | | | |
| Donald Trump on 14:24 - Jun 2 with 1321 views | jasper_T |
| Donald Trump on 14:08 - Jun 2 by Catullus |
I'd also argue that many of those workers are not happy with the risks but they have little choice.
Whereas some people like working the so called low value jobs. I know someone who used to have a well paid job with a bank but wasn't happy, too much stress. She hung on in until her mortgage was paid off and now she works as a school cleaner and is very happy. She gets to spend a lot of time with her daughter, she always has a big smile on her face.
Jasper, I don't doubt what you say about the USA but why does the EU hold massive food stockpiles,
https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/eu-stockpiling-does-littl
it seems for the same reasons as the USA, to keep prices up. It's always coming back to money. Money is the root of our troubles. |
It turns out keeping people fed under straightforward capitalism is very difficult and you have to work in a lot of extra bells and whistles to make sure 1) food is cheap and available to everyone, and at the same time 2) farmers can afford to live themselves without owning massive factory farms for the highest profit margins/lowest price.
A system where farmers are enabled to produce and release as much as they can, without worrying about sale prices for their own survival, benefits everyone. The problem isn't with our ability to produce things people need. | | | |
| Donald Trump on 14:57 - Jun 2 with 1278 views | Lohengrin |
| Donald Trump on 14:24 - Jun 2 by jasper_T |
It turns out keeping people fed under straightforward capitalism is very difficult and you have to work in a lot of extra bells and whistles to make sure 1) food is cheap and available to everyone, and at the same time 2) farmers can afford to live themselves without owning massive factory farms for the highest profit margins/lowest price.
A system where farmers are enabled to produce and release as much as they can, without worrying about sale prices for their own survival, benefits everyone. The problem isn't with our ability to produce things people need. |
” The problem isn't with our ability to produce things people need.”
I’d argue that domestically our manufacturing capability has been degraded to the point where its been a huge problem in these troubled times. No matter, that is something that could be remedied with the right political will, the real problem lies In creating an economic system that ensures the great mass of people have the wherewithal to consume production and keep the cycle turning. | |
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