| Wimbledon 18:50 - Aug 19 with 6341 views | Northernr |
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| Wimbledon on 11:19 - Aug 20 with 1610 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 10:40 - Aug 20 by Hunterhoop |
I don’t quite mean putting money in, in that sense, at that level. They’re also season ticket holders. And have been throughout this whole period.
AFC screwed them over on the purchase (because they knew what the Khoslas were about), the rent (because they charged Ks far more than had been the case the other way around), and the sale (because they didn’t give much notice, and put Ks in a almost impossible position), which made them have to leave the borough and the only place available was Leatherhead.
Khoslas obviously a crook, but AFC took advantage of that situation and screwed over a fellow club in the process, indeed one who’d helped them at the start. They can’t hide behind his “it’s your own chairman you have to blame, not us”. Ks fans know the chairman shafted them, but AFC were complicit. |
Kingstonian were in that ground for 15 years with AFC as owners.
15 years! It was hardly a smash a grab was it? Otherwise it would have been a Tesco or a set of luxury flats. It was a miracle it was kept as a stadium.
The exit clause was always in the contract. Everyone in football knew AFC were looking to move to Merton eventually. Of course they had notice.
Do you know much rent they charged? Look it up! It was peppercorn. Also not mentioned was AFC’s £1m donation to Kingstonian. That’s solidarity!
Kinstonian have been shit all over by capitalism, poor football legislation, and cowardly councils. Everything AFC did and wanted to do was on the table. Kings had 200 people rattling around that 5,000 capacity ground. That was unsustainable.
It may not be an emotive subject for you, but some good friends of mine were part of the original formation of AFC and this myth infuriates them because they did everything they could for Kingstonian. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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| Wimbledon on 11:22 - Aug 20 with 1582 views | loftboy |
| Wimbledon on 11:19 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Kingstonian were in that ground for 15 years with AFC as owners.
15 years! It was hardly a smash a grab was it? Otherwise it would have been a Tesco or a set of luxury flats. It was a miracle it was kept as a stadium.
The exit clause was always in the contract. Everyone in football knew AFC were looking to move to Merton eventually. Of course they had notice.
Do you know much rent they charged? Look it up! It was peppercorn. Also not mentioned was AFC’s £1m donation to Kingstonian. That’s solidarity!
Kinstonian have been shit all over by capitalism, poor football legislation, and cowardly councils. Everything AFC did and wanted to do was on the table. Kings had 200 people rattling around that 5,000 capacity ground. That was unsustainable.
It may not be an emotive subject for you, but some good friends of mine were part of the original formation of AFC and this myth infuriates them because they did everything they could for Kingstonian. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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Had that more or less confirmed to me by the bloke with the flower stall outside the Bentalls centre about 15 years ago, said that the council had shît over Kingstonians and AFC had basically save them.
They play a friendly every year and the K’s get to keep the gate receipts. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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| Wimbledon on 11:27 - Aug 20 with 1559 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 11:22 - Aug 20 by loftboy |
Had that more or less confirmed to me by the bloke with the flower stall outside the Bentalls centre about 15 years ago, said that the council had shît over Kingstonians and AFC had basically save them.
They play a friendly every year and the K’s get to keep the gate receipts. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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I feel so sorry for Kingstonian, because they are a lovely historic club that deserve better.
In a different world the council would have taken them on and made them into a community club that coaches local schools. | | | |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 with 1517 views | Rangersw12 |
Maybe I'm being harsh but I think AFC fans allowed the old Wimbledon to die they just abondoned the club and the gates went done to 1-2 k at Selhurst Park .
They should have been on on the pitch every week protesting and fighting for the club if the they had the owners might have given up on taking the club to MK |  | | |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 with 1506 views | Hunterhoop |
It wasn’t peppercorn. It was more than Ks had charged them.
The notice they gave on the exit clause was short. They still invoked it short of the tenancy clause agreed (accepting there was an exit clause).
All this solidarity bullsh*t you talk about, just because AFC signed a contract and didn’t breach it, doesn’t mean they didn’t sh*t on Ks as a club and fans. They signed that contract with the very corrupt Khoslas knowing they were getting it a knocked down price, knowing he would disappear with the cash, knowing they would then sell it on for significantly more, turfing Ks out in the process. Like you’ve admitted, this was always the plan with the end result being a move back to Plough Lane to build a new stadium. For that they needed money. And they’ve ultimately obtained that at the expense of Kingstonian.
You can’t on the one hand say the Khoslas sh*t on Ks without acknowledging it takes two to tango and AFC knew all about the Khoslas before and during the negotiations to take on the club.
You can say you and your AFC mates know loads about it, but acknowledge and accept that Ks fans involved in trying to keep that club going, have a lot of ill feeling to AFC, believe they have just cause for that, and feel no “solidarity” with them.
AFC can try to clear their conscience as much as they like, but it’ll always be there. They arrived at Kingsmeadow as tenants. Kingstonian has been the owners and had been a conference club, suffering some financial difficulties at the time. AFC ended up doing the dirty with the devil and leave Kingsmeadow with Chelsea owning it, loads of cash in their back pockets and Kingstonian homeless having to rent off tiny clubs like Corinthian Casuals. Solidarity, my arse. |  | | |
| Wimbledon on 11:38 - Aug 20 with 1505 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 by Rangersw12 |
Maybe I'm being harsh but I think AFC fans allowed the old Wimbledon to die they just abondoned the club and the gates went done to 1-2 k at Selhurst Park .
They should have been on on the pitch every week protesting and fighting for the club if the they had the owners might have given up on taking the club to MK |
I think there was a mass exodus after the move was announced, not before. I seem to remember it going to virtually zero overnight |  | | |
| Wimbledon on 12:28 - Aug 20 with 1434 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 by Hunterhoop |
It wasn’t peppercorn. It was more than Ks had charged them.
The notice they gave on the exit clause was short. They still invoked it short of the tenancy clause agreed (accepting there was an exit clause).
All this solidarity bullsh*t you talk about, just because AFC signed a contract and didn’t breach it, doesn’t mean they didn’t sh*t on Ks as a club and fans. They signed that contract with the very corrupt Khoslas knowing they were getting it a knocked down price, knowing he would disappear with the cash, knowing they would then sell it on for significantly more, turfing Ks out in the process. Like you’ve admitted, this was always the plan with the end result being a move back to Plough Lane to build a new stadium. For that they needed money. And they’ve ultimately obtained that at the expense of Kingstonian.
You can’t on the one hand say the Khoslas sh*t on Ks without acknowledging it takes two to tango and AFC knew all about the Khoslas before and during the negotiations to take on the club.
You can say you and your AFC mates know loads about it, but acknowledge and accept that Ks fans involved in trying to keep that club going, have a lot of ill feeling to AFC, believe they have just cause for that, and feel no “solidarity” with them.
AFC can try to clear their conscience as much as they like, but it’ll always be there. They arrived at Kingsmeadow as tenants. Kingstonian has been the owners and had been a conference club, suffering some financial difficulties at the time. AFC ended up doing the dirty with the devil and leave Kingsmeadow with Chelsea owning it, loads of cash in their back pockets and Kingstonian homeless having to rent off tiny clubs like Corinthian Casuals. Solidarity, my arse. |
Thats not what happened though is it Hunter.
- There was a 18 month notice on the tenancy (after 15 years of knowing it was coming).
- Club rent was based on Kingstonian's income and not a flat rate. In fact it was actually a 'Stadium Licensing fee' and not rent. Basically the cost of running the stadium and not profit in AFC's pocket.
- They gave them £1.3m as a donation! That almost negates the entirely of any rent or SLF that Kingstonian paid AFC.
If you want to have a debate about how unscrupulous capitalists are in the football world, and how AFC were forced to engage with it then fine.
But bear in mind you normal dismiss it as 'Momentum Stuff' then go and vote Lib Dems who actually run the council that Kingtonian are in and refused to purchase the stadium for them despite huge reserves of money.
I notice they couldn't even afford the rent at Leatherhead when they moved there and now play in a Park with Corinthinan Casuals.
AFC's conscious is clear. The choice for Kingstonian was AFC or extinction. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 12:44]
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| Wimbledon on 12:30 - Aug 20 with 1429 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 by Rangersw12 |
Maybe I'm being harsh but I think AFC fans allowed the old Wimbledon to die they just abondoned the club and the gates went done to 1-2 k at Selhurst Park .
They should have been on on the pitch every week protesting and fighting for the club if the they had the owners might have given up on taking the club to MK |
Your are right, I think many Wimbledon fans took their club for granted but I don't think they are to blame. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 12:45]
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| Wimbledon on 12:37 - Aug 20 with 1419 views | CamberleyR |
| Wimbledon on 11:35 - Aug 20 by Rangersw12 |
Maybe I'm being harsh but I think AFC fans allowed the old Wimbledon to die they just abondoned the club and the gates went done to 1-2 k at Selhurst Park .
They should have been on on the pitch every week protesting and fighting for the club if the they had the owners might have given up on taking the club to MK |
You're being harsh. No amount of protesting by Dons fans would have kept the club in London, it was a fait accomplit. By the time the attendances dropped to 1-2k (and three figures for a game with Rotherham famously) in the 2002/03 season the MK wheels were in motion. The decision by the FA appointed independent commission (shamefully waved through by them) to allow Wimbledon to relocate to MK was taken in May 2002. In season 2001/02 they were still getting their hardcore 6-7k home gates. |  |
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| Wimbledon on 13:15 - Aug 20 with 1368 views | Hunterhoop |
| Wimbledon on 12:28 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Thats not what happened though is it Hunter.
- There was a 18 month notice on the tenancy (after 15 years of knowing it was coming).
- Club rent was based on Kingstonian's income and not a flat rate. In fact it was actually a 'Stadium Licensing fee' and not rent. Basically the cost of running the stadium and not profit in AFC's pocket.
- They gave them £1.3m as a donation! That almost negates the entirely of any rent or SLF that Kingstonian paid AFC.
If you want to have a debate about how unscrupulous capitalists are in the football world, and how AFC were forced to engage with it then fine.
But bear in mind you normal dismiss it as 'Momentum Stuff' then go and vote Lib Dems who actually run the council that Kingtonian are in and refused to purchase the stadium for them despite huge reserves of money.
I notice they couldn't even afford the rent at Leatherhead when they moved there and now play in a Park with Corinthinan Casuals.
AFC's conscious is clear. The choice for Kingstonian was AFC or extinction. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 12:44]
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Not suggesting the council handled this well at all. But whatever we you cut it, AFC took advantage of the situation and did a deal with a corrupt owner which resulted in a club and it’s fans losing their ground, and having to traipse around Surrey trying to find somewhere to play.
Just because the Khoslas did the deal doesn’t mean AFC absolved if any responsibility. They benefitted directly at Ks expense. | | | |
| Wimbledon on 13:20 - Aug 20 with 1350 views | toboboly |
| Wimbledon on 11:22 - Aug 20 by loftboy |
Had that more or less confirmed to me by the bloke with the flower stall outside the Bentalls centre about 15 years ago, said that the council had shît over Kingstonians and AFC had basically save them.
They play a friendly every year and the K’s get to keep the gate receipts. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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Eh?
They don't play a friendly every year. In fact K's used to get much better friendlies prior to AFC. They had a yearly one v the Scum for a start.
Bazza - the ground couldn't be turned into anything else as the land has to be used as a stadium. |  |
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| Wimbledon on 13:20 - Aug 20 with 1355 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 13:15 - Aug 20 by Hunterhoop |
Not suggesting the council handled this well at all. But whatever we you cut it, AFC took advantage of the situation and did a deal with a corrupt owner which resulted in a club and it’s fans losing their ground, and having to traipse around Surrey trying to find somewhere to play.
Just because the Khoslas did the deal doesn’t mean AFC absolved if any responsibility. They benefitted directly at Ks expense. |
The same Khoslas that Kingstonian took on as owners in the first place?
Still can't see how Kingstonian would be better off if Kingsmeadow became a Tesco. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:22]
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| Wimbledon on 13:22 - Aug 20 with 1346 views | toboboly |
| Wimbledon on 11:19 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Kingstonian were in that ground for 15 years with AFC as owners.
15 years! It was hardly a smash a grab was it? Otherwise it would have been a Tesco or a set of luxury flats. It was a miracle it was kept as a stadium.
The exit clause was always in the contract. Everyone in football knew AFC were looking to move to Merton eventually. Of course they had notice.
Do you know much rent they charged? Look it up! It was peppercorn. Also not mentioned was AFC’s £1m donation to Kingstonian. That’s solidarity!
Kinstonian have been shit all over by capitalism, poor football legislation, and cowardly councils. Everything AFC did and wanted to do was on the table. Kings had 200 people rattling around that 5,000 capacity ground. That was unsustainable.
It may not be an emotive subject for you, but some good friends of mine were part of the original formation of AFC and this myth infuriates them because they did everything they could for Kingstonian. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 11:23]
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The problem was K's had no money to ever buy the ground off them or to buy anywhere else. So there was nothing K's could do. AFC gave money to K's that is ringfenced for a new stadium but isn't enough to purchase any land in order to make them seem like the good guys.
Edit: the payment was also a means of paying off the tenency agreement that AFC were breaking with K's early.
And stop talking about a Tesco's, it isn't allowed to be anything of the sort. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:24]
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| Wimbledon on 13:24 - Aug 20 with 1344 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 13:22 - Aug 20 by toboboly |
The problem was K's had no money to ever buy the ground off them or to buy anywhere else. So there was nothing K's could do. AFC gave money to K's that is ringfenced for a new stadium but isn't enough to purchase any land in order to make them seem like the good guys.
Edit: the payment was also a means of paying off the tenency agreement that AFC were breaking with K's early.
And stop talking about a Tesco's, it isn't allowed to be anything of the sort. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:24]
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I wish my landlord would give me £1.4m to make them self seem like a good guy.
My point about Tesco was exaggerated obviously. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:25]
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| Wimbledon on 13:26 - Aug 20 with 1330 views | toboboly |
| Wimbledon on 12:28 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Thats not what happened though is it Hunter.
- There was a 18 month notice on the tenancy (after 15 years of knowing it was coming).
- Club rent was based on Kingstonian's income and not a flat rate. In fact it was actually a 'Stadium Licensing fee' and not rent. Basically the cost of running the stadium and not profit in AFC's pocket.
- They gave them £1.3m as a donation! That almost negates the entirely of any rent or SLF that Kingstonian paid AFC.
If you want to have a debate about how unscrupulous capitalists are in the football world, and how AFC were forced to engage with it then fine.
But bear in mind you normal dismiss it as 'Momentum Stuff' then go and vote Lib Dems who actually run the council that Kingtonian are in and refused to purchase the stadium for them despite huge reserves of money.
I notice they couldn't even afford the rent at Leatherhead when they moved there and now play in a Park with Corinthinan Casuals.
AFC's conscious is clear. The choice for Kingstonian was AFC or extinction. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 12:44]
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They moved to casuals due it's proximity within the borough and the fact it is a MUCH BETTER place to play than Leatherhead which floods all the bloody time. | |
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| Wimbledon on 13:26 - Aug 20 with 1329 views | Hunterhoop |
| Wimbledon on 13:20 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The same Khoslas that Kingstonian took on as owners in the first place?
Still can't see how Kingstonian would be better off if Kingsmeadow became a Tesco. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:22]
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It can’t be used as a Tesco. | | | |
| Wimbledon on 13:27 - Aug 20 with 1327 views | toboboly |
| Wimbledon on 13:24 - Aug 20 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I wish my landlord would give me £1.4m to make them self seem like a good guy.
My point about Tesco was exaggerated obviously. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:25]
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Your figures jump with every post! I'm leaving this now as you clearly are emotive about it yet haven't had anything to do with it. Hunter is far more eloquent than I. | |
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| Wimbledon on 13:52 - Aug 20 with 1302 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wimbledon on 13:27 - Aug 20 by toboboly |
Your figures jump with every post! I'm leaving this now as you clearly are emotive about it yet haven't had anything to do with it. Hunter is far more eloquent than I. |
Yeah, it is emotive for me because I've walked the walk.
I am a AFC member, and was there as a 16 year old protesting the Winkleman takeover with some great mates who are AFC ST holders. I'm also a member of the Football Supporters Association who have worked with both clubs.
Is that enough for you? [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 13:57]
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| Wimbledon on 13:54 - Aug 20 with 1292 views | PinnerPaul |
| Wimbledon on 22:18 - Aug 19 by CiderwithRsie |
Only if you renew late. If you go for the early bird renewal you can avoid them. |
What 'early bird' renewal? - no date fixed yet for that. | | | |
| Wimbledon on 14:53 - Aug 20 with 1207 views | terryb |
I certainly don't want to be involved in the Wimbledon - Kingstonian squabble, but I do have a couple of questions to ask.
1) Going back in time, did Kingstonian's own Kings Meadow & subsequently sell the freehold to CFC? I was under the impression they owned the freehold, but that could easily be wrong & perhaps it was council owned.
2) Was the ground that Kingstonian's played on in the early '90's the same site as they had played on for decades, or had they moved?
I've only been to Kings Meadow once & didn't particulary like it. My memory of nearly 30 years ago was that it was an "identekit" stadium & far removed from a "proper" non-league ground. Give me The Meadow, Ganders Creen Lane, Clarence Park & even *Southbury road any day in preference!
I did like the result though! A chesham win on the way to winning the Isthmian Leaguue.
* Yes, I know Southbury road went a couple of decades ago. | | | |
| Wimbledon on 15:05 - Aug 20 with 1189 views | CamberleyR |
| Wimbledon on 14:53 - Aug 20 by terryb |
I certainly don't want to be involved in the Wimbledon - Kingstonian squabble, but I do have a couple of questions to ask.
1) Going back in time, did Kingstonian's own Kings Meadow & subsequently sell the freehold to CFC? I was under the impression they owned the freehold, but that could easily be wrong & perhaps it was council owned.
2) Was the ground that Kingstonian's played on in the early '90's the same site as they had played on for decades, or had they moved?
I've only been to Kings Meadow once & didn't particulary like it. My memory of nearly 30 years ago was that it was an "identekit" stadium & far removed from a "proper" non-league ground. Give me The Meadow, Ganders Creen Lane, Clarence Park & even *Southbury road any day in preference!
I did like the result though! A chesham win on the way to winning the Isthmian Leaguue.
* Yes, I know Southbury road went a couple of decades ago. |
No, the freehold is owned by the council. Kingstonian sold the leasehold to the Khoslas when they got into financial trouble and the leasehold was then sold on to AFCW since sold on to the filth from SW6 for their ladies and youth teams.
Kingstonian originally played at Richmond Road and moved to Kingsmeadow at the end of the 80s. There is a covenant on Kingsmeadow that says that it has to used for sporting activity and cannot be redeveloped. | |
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| Wimbledon on 15:07 - Aug 20 with 1184 views | terryb |
| Wimbledon on 15:05 - Aug 20 by CamberleyR |
No, the freehold is owned by the council. Kingstonian sold the leasehold to the Khoslas when they got into financial trouble and the leasehold was then sold on to AFCW since sold on to the filth from SW6 for their ladies and youth teams.
Kingstonian originally played at Richmond Road and moved to Kingsmeadow at the end of the 80s. There is a covenant on Kingsmeadow that says that it has to used for sporting activity and cannot be redeveloped. |
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| Wimbledon on 15:00 - Aug 25 with 908 views | Northernr |
I'm doing pretty well this close season...
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| Wimbledon on 15:06 - Aug 25 with 865 views | Mick_S |
The ground will be nice and tidy. |  |
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