| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:25 - Jan 19 with 2335 views | superhoopdownunder |
If it is all Steve McClaren's fault then why do we need a DoF?
I thought the DoF was meant to manage transfers, oversee players contracts, scouting, recruitment of players & managers and have a long term strategy.
We basically have lost two of our main assets from last season (Manning and BOS) for next to nothing.
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:36 - Jan 19 with 2320 views | daveB |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:25 - Jan 19 by superhoopdownunder |
If it is all Steve McClaren's fault then why do we need a DoF?
I thought the DoF was meant to manage transfers, oversee players contracts, scouting, recruitment of players & managers and have a long term strategy.
We basically have lost two of our main assets from last season (Manning and BOS) for next to nothing.
Who is really responsible? |
responsible for losing those two is a combination of people but ultimately comes down to last 2 managers, DOF, the players and the agents.
Depending on who you like you can pick any of those and could have a case to blame it all on one or a few of them. Really they've all made mistakes along the way which have ultimately resulted in this happening [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 22:38]
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 23:12 - Jan 19 with 2259 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:36 - Jan 19 by daveB |
responsible for losing those two is a combination of people but ultimately comes down to last 2 managers, DOF, the players and the agents.
Depending on who you like you can pick any of those and could have a case to blame it all on one or a few of them. Really they've all made mistakes along the way which have ultimately resulted in this happening [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 22:38]
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DaveB you are the voice of reality and once again I think you are right.
Steve McClaren did not help as Clive stated.
Ferdinand has not managed the playing list well including Manning and BOS so we have lost out (on higher transfer fees or keeping good players for longer).
The agents would have been pushing for a transfer so they got their cut - probably not considering what was in the best interests of the player. I am not convinced either of these transfers are good for Manning or BOS. | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 23:27 - Jan 19 with 2232 views | daveB |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 23:12 - Jan 19 by superhoopdownunder |
DaveB you are the voice of reality and once again I think you are right.
Steve McClaren did not help as Clive stated.
Ferdinand has not managed the playing list well including Manning and BOS so we have lost out (on higher transfer fees or keeping good players for longer).
The agents would have been pushing for a transfer so they got their cut - probably not considering what was in the best interests of the player. I am not convinced either of these transfers are good for Manning or BOS. |
On Ferdinand he/the club accepted a 4.7million bid for Bright last summer so if that had gone through we'd simply be complaining we should have got more for him.
The Manning one was a far bigger cock up by QPR than Bright Samuel imo, they are getting a lot of undeserved stick over Bright.
Key thing is what they do next, as fans and as a club I think we spend far too much time looking back at past mistakes and wallowing in them. I'm not alone in being able to spend the next half an hour writing a long post saying where we have gone wrong over the last few years, we could all do it with our own interpretation of whats gone right/wrong but not many of us have an answer as to how the best way is to move forward. Whether it's sacking Ferdinand or Warburton or wanting a new board or carrying on and hoping for improvement every option is full of problems.
In football there is always another game to make up for the previous one, there is always another transfer window to rectify problems with the team. All the club can do is to make sure the next one is better than the last and hope the players waiting in the wings for a chance grab that opportunity over the next few months. | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 07:01 - Jan 20 with 2026 views | Northernr |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:25 - Jan 19 by superhoopdownunder |
If it is all Steve McClaren's fault then why do we need a DoF?
I thought the DoF was meant to manage transfers, oversee players contracts, scouting, recruitment of players & managers and have a long term strategy.
We basically have lost two of our main assets from last season (Manning and BOS) for next to nothing.
Who is really responsible? |
Yup, like I say at the end, the DOF model is supposed to protect you against the whims of whoever the manager is at that point. V easy to just blame McClaren. |  | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 08:51 - Jan 20 with 1898 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I've been thinking a lot over the last month or so about Les Ferdinand's performance.
Up until then I thought he was co-credited rightly with Hoos for keeping us in this division on a wage budget that was cut by half every single year. Keeping us away from another huge fine. Possibly keeping us out of administration, possibly keeping us in existence.
The Academy is producing players for either sale or for the first team - 2nd out of 24 in the Championship last season for home-produced minutes on the pitch. His first managerial appointment had done a superb job last year, playing superb football on low wages and with a huge transfer profit. Scouting in 2019 was superb. But in mid-Dec it was fair to say that his Manager seemed to be running out of ideas, and certainly out of positivity (personally, I thought it was time for a change). The 2020 purchases and the scouting behind them had yet to prove itself and it looked like we had an unbalanced and inexperienced squad. We looked in danger. As both the managerial appointment and scouting were the remit of Ferdinand, it was time to re-assess his position.
A month later, on-field performances have improved significantly and the team seems invigorated by the return of Charlie Austin, allaying fears temporarily on those two fronts.
Which brings us to the imminent departure of BOS and a hark-back to Manning. Naturally, it's a shame that we couldn't recoup millions for them as we have for Eze, Furlong, Freeman, Smithies etc. But as for the departure of the players themselves, I'm not crying.
Ryan Manning is an average player who is showing no signs of improving beyond that. He is deeply flawed in that his work-rate on the defensive game is unprofessional and unacceptable. He has the tools to carve out a good career, but he is not showing any signs that he will use them adequately. Only one player bid for him, they only bid £150,000k, and they're not exactly showering him with love since they landed him.
Samuel has played only a few good months of Championship football, has an attitude that is questionable at best and a work-rate that is unquestionably bad. Only one team was willing to pay money for him, and he refused (as is his right) to go to them. I can't see the shock that he is leaving. He ran his contract out to join us for a knock-down fee, it seemed highly likely last Summer that he was doing the same again. Quite entitled to do so on both occasions, but hardly a surprise. I think the club have been straight up unlucky on this one.
The regret in both cases is the lost year under McClaren, made possible under the old regime where the owner(s) appointed the Manager. Once McClaren reneged on his appointed (or advertised) brief he was always going to get his way. A phonecall to the man/men who appointed him above the head of the DoF was all it would take. So it was out with the young and in with the old.
Had McClaren played Samuel and Manning while here it may well be that both would have impressed and earned themselves longer contracts. It may well also have been that they proved not ready for prolonged first-team exposure, it may well also have been that they impressed so much that we would have sold them long before now. We will simply never know.
The shame is that the Manager was supposed to play them and develop them. and got away with refusing to. It just should not happen in a system where there is a DoF.
Either way, it is impossible to imagine this happening under Warburton or his successors now that he and they are appointed by Ferdinand and his successors as the Managers are now clearly appointed by the DoF and the chain of command is established in that they answer to the DoF.
As long as this chain of command exists then I’m all for Ferdinand continuing. If we revert to a scenario where the Manager can overrule the DoF then we may as well scrap the DoF system and go back to the old system where owners with no football experience appoint a Manager never heard of on the news and let him advise them on transfers, fees and wages.
As for the decision not to pick players who are not committed to the cause, I’m all for it. A team just cannot accommodate a player who is not working for his team-mates. It undermines the unity and integrity of the team and performances elsewhere invariably suffer. Clearly, both cases were different but as we are rightly not privy to all the information, then all we can do is speculate on the differences. The clear error seems to be the decision to go public by Warburton, which was regrettable to say the very least.
For now, having thought about it for weeks, I’m still very happy we have a DoF in place and for now that it is Ferdinand. Manning and BOS are not signs that we should deviate from our buy-low, sell-high strategy, they’re further signs that it works. We will make small profits on both and have got years out of both on affordable wages. As for not offering them longer term contracts, I’m just not convinced that anyone would have or should have offered them such before it actually happened.
The problems in both cases go back to McClaren’s reign, and it would appear that lessons have been learnt by Ownership to stop a repeat of that. |  |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 08:54 - Jan 20 with 1892 views | slmrstid |
The way the Bright situation has played out feels very similar to how the Josh Maja situation was played out in the second series of Sunderland Til I Die.
Agent/player stringing the club along a bit, club keep playing and keep making offers, know there's an agent involved with a tendency to take players abroad for the extra signing on fees (perhaps even the same agent?! No idea though...), then finally the player having that move abroad which the club find out about on the internet, before scrabbling together whatever transfer fee they possibly can for an early exit. |  | | |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:25 - Jan 20 with 1840 views | stevec |
The irony is if we made the kind of effort required to be a top 6 side rather than a bottom 6 side, the likes of BOS and Manning would probably have signed new contracts.
In the end, if you have more bad players than good players, the good players want to get out of the place. It’s up to the DOF to tip that balance as it has been for the last six years, let’s just hope he’s a slow starter. |  | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:42 - Jan 20 with 1815 views | enfieldargh |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 08:51 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I've been thinking a lot over the last month or so about Les Ferdinand's performance.
Up until then I thought he was co-credited rightly with Hoos for keeping us in this division on a wage budget that was cut by half every single year. Keeping us away from another huge fine. Possibly keeping us out of administration, possibly keeping us in existence.
The Academy is producing players for either sale or for the first team - 2nd out of 24 in the Championship last season for home-produced minutes on the pitch. His first managerial appointment had done a superb job last year, playing superb football on low wages and with a huge transfer profit. Scouting in 2019 was superb. But in mid-Dec it was fair to say that his Manager seemed to be running out of ideas, and certainly out of positivity (personally, I thought it was time for a change). The 2020 purchases and the scouting behind them had yet to prove itself and it looked like we had an unbalanced and inexperienced squad. We looked in danger. As both the managerial appointment and scouting were the remit of Ferdinand, it was time to re-assess his position.
A month later, on-field performances have improved significantly and the team seems invigorated by the return of Charlie Austin, allaying fears temporarily on those two fronts.
Which brings us to the imminent departure of BOS and a hark-back to Manning. Naturally, it's a shame that we couldn't recoup millions for them as we have for Eze, Furlong, Freeman, Smithies etc. But as for the departure of the players themselves, I'm not crying.
Ryan Manning is an average player who is showing no signs of improving beyond that. He is deeply flawed in that his work-rate on the defensive game is unprofessional and unacceptable. He has the tools to carve out a good career, but he is not showing any signs that he will use them adequately. Only one player bid for him, they only bid £150,000k, and they're not exactly showering him with love since they landed him.
Samuel has played only a few good months of Championship football, has an attitude that is questionable at best and a work-rate that is unquestionably bad. Only one team was willing to pay money for him, and he refused (as is his right) to go to them. I can't see the shock that he is leaving. He ran his contract out to join us for a knock-down fee, it seemed highly likely last Summer that he was doing the same again. Quite entitled to do so on both occasions, but hardly a surprise. I think the club have been straight up unlucky on this one.
The regret in both cases is the lost year under McClaren, made possible under the old regime where the owner(s) appointed the Manager. Once McClaren reneged on his appointed (or advertised) brief he was always going to get his way. A phonecall to the man/men who appointed him above the head of the DoF was all it would take. So it was out with the young and in with the old.
Had McClaren played Samuel and Manning while here it may well be that both would have impressed and earned themselves longer contracts. It may well also have been that they proved not ready for prolonged first-team exposure, it may well also have been that they impressed so much that we would have sold them long before now. We will simply never know.
The shame is that the Manager was supposed to play them and develop them. and got away with refusing to. It just should not happen in a system where there is a DoF.
Either way, it is impossible to imagine this happening under Warburton or his successors now that he and they are appointed by Ferdinand and his successors as the Managers are now clearly appointed by the DoF and the chain of command is established in that they answer to the DoF.
As long as this chain of command exists then I’m all for Ferdinand continuing. If we revert to a scenario where the Manager can overrule the DoF then we may as well scrap the DoF system and go back to the old system where owners with no football experience appoint a Manager never heard of on the news and let him advise them on transfers, fees and wages.
As for the decision not to pick players who are not committed to the cause, I’m all for it. A team just cannot accommodate a player who is not working for his team-mates. It undermines the unity and integrity of the team and performances elsewhere invariably suffer. Clearly, both cases were different but as we are rightly not privy to all the information, then all we can do is speculate on the differences. The clear error seems to be the decision to go public by Warburton, which was regrettable to say the very least.
For now, having thought about it for weeks, I’m still very happy we have a DoF in place and for now that it is Ferdinand. Manning and BOS are not signs that we should deviate from our buy-low, sell-high strategy, they’re further signs that it works. We will make small profits on both and have got years out of both on affordable wages. As for not offering them longer term contracts, I’m just not convinced that anyone would have or should have offered them such before it actually happened.
The problems in both cases go back to McClaren’s reign, and it would appear that lessons have been learnt by Ownership to stop a repeat of that. |
Agree with everything your well thought out post states.
Les I recall wooed Manning to sign for us when he could have gone elsewhere from his Irish Club so Les would have been supportive of game time to Ryan.
I can only think that Les and I dont like saying this is a bit weal willed or a bit of a push over OR he has the clubs best interest at heart.
As Clive has pointed out ScHteve was permitted to break the mould that the club wanted.
Re Masterson I think 3 months on lone should be the max for him and that next season he becomes far more involved as I think he will be an exceptional player.
Re the 4 year contracts offered to Osman and Niko yes it does smack of being bitten twice. They have both shown the possess ball skills but Niko in particular looks extremely raw.
So no Morrison, Flint or Tomlin eh??????? In your dreams |  |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:47 - Jan 20 with 1798 views | PinnerPaul |
Thank the lord we have an actual game today to talk about instead of endless words on those two.
Sorry to sound churlish but there's only so much you can say about one subject surely. | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:47 - Jan 20 with 1798 views | Northernr |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:47 - Jan 20 by PinnerPaul |
Thank the lord we have an actual game today to talk about instead of endless words on those two.
Sorry to sound churlish but there's only so much you can say about one subject surely. |
Fancy trying to write 48 match previews in a season? | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:51 - Jan 20 with 1789 views | PinnerPaul |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:47 - Jan 20 by Northernr |
Fancy trying to write 48 match previews in a season? |
I DID say I didn't want to sound churlish and then .....did!
I'm still going to stick to the 'First memories of QPR' thread though, much more enjoyable - sorry - its ALL been said now surely?! | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 10:49 - Jan 20 with 1682 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:47 - Jan 20 by Northernr |
Fancy trying to write 48 match previews in a season? |
No thanks! I've recently trued to write longer pieces about all the goings on at QPR but I just can't make any sense of it. I usually end up just writing a short paragraph.
Followed by a witty comment and an emoji 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 10:55 - Jan 20 with 1664 views | superhoopdownunder |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 08:51 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
I've been thinking a lot over the last month or so about Les Ferdinand's performance.
Up until then I thought he was co-credited rightly with Hoos for keeping us in this division on a wage budget that was cut by half every single year. Keeping us away from another huge fine. Possibly keeping us out of administration, possibly keeping us in existence.
The Academy is producing players for either sale or for the first team - 2nd out of 24 in the Championship last season for home-produced minutes on the pitch. His first managerial appointment had done a superb job last year, playing superb football on low wages and with a huge transfer profit. Scouting in 2019 was superb. But in mid-Dec it was fair to say that his Manager seemed to be running out of ideas, and certainly out of positivity (personally, I thought it was time for a change). The 2020 purchases and the scouting behind them had yet to prove itself and it looked like we had an unbalanced and inexperienced squad. We looked in danger. As both the managerial appointment and scouting were the remit of Ferdinand, it was time to re-assess his position.
A month later, on-field performances have improved significantly and the team seems invigorated by the return of Charlie Austin, allaying fears temporarily on those two fronts.
Which brings us to the imminent departure of BOS and a hark-back to Manning. Naturally, it's a shame that we couldn't recoup millions for them as we have for Eze, Furlong, Freeman, Smithies etc. But as for the departure of the players themselves, I'm not crying.
Ryan Manning is an average player who is showing no signs of improving beyond that. He is deeply flawed in that his work-rate on the defensive game is unprofessional and unacceptable. He has the tools to carve out a good career, but he is not showing any signs that he will use them adequately. Only one player bid for him, they only bid £150,000k, and they're not exactly showering him with love since they landed him.
Samuel has played only a few good months of Championship football, has an attitude that is questionable at best and a work-rate that is unquestionably bad. Only one team was willing to pay money for him, and he refused (as is his right) to go to them. I can't see the shock that he is leaving. He ran his contract out to join us for a knock-down fee, it seemed highly likely last Summer that he was doing the same again. Quite entitled to do so on both occasions, but hardly a surprise. I think the club have been straight up unlucky on this one.
The regret in both cases is the lost year under McClaren, made possible under the old regime where the owner(s) appointed the Manager. Once McClaren reneged on his appointed (or advertised) brief he was always going to get his way. A phonecall to the man/men who appointed him above the head of the DoF was all it would take. So it was out with the young and in with the old.
Had McClaren played Samuel and Manning while here it may well be that both would have impressed and earned themselves longer contracts. It may well also have been that they proved not ready for prolonged first-team exposure, it may well also have been that they impressed so much that we would have sold them long before now. We will simply never know.
The shame is that the Manager was supposed to play them and develop them. and got away with refusing to. It just should not happen in a system where there is a DoF.
Either way, it is impossible to imagine this happening under Warburton or his successors now that he and they are appointed by Ferdinand and his successors as the Managers are now clearly appointed by the DoF and the chain of command is established in that they answer to the DoF.
As long as this chain of command exists then I’m all for Ferdinand continuing. If we revert to a scenario where the Manager can overrule the DoF then we may as well scrap the DoF system and go back to the old system where owners with no football experience appoint a Manager never heard of on the news and let him advise them on transfers, fees and wages.
As for the decision not to pick players who are not committed to the cause, I’m all for it. A team just cannot accommodate a player who is not working for his team-mates. It undermines the unity and integrity of the team and performances elsewhere invariably suffer. Clearly, both cases were different but as we are rightly not privy to all the information, then all we can do is speculate on the differences. The clear error seems to be the decision to go public by Warburton, which was regrettable to say the very least.
For now, having thought about it for weeks, I’m still very happy we have a DoF in place and for now that it is Ferdinand. Manning and BOS are not signs that we should deviate from our buy-low, sell-high strategy, they’re further signs that it works. We will make small profits on both and have got years out of both on affordable wages. As for not offering them longer term contracts, I’m just not convinced that anyone would have or should have offered them such before it actually happened.
The problems in both cases go back to McClaren’s reign, and it would appear that lessons have been learnt by Ownership to stop a repeat of that. |
Hi Brian
I read on here that Tony Fernandes came up with the idea to get Charlie Austin back.
If this is true then this proves we don’t have a good recruiting policy - it’s all reactive depending on our situation. This is not how well run teams operate.
Cheers
James | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 11:17 - Jan 20 with 1626 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 10:55 - Jan 20 by superhoopdownunder |
Hi Brian
I read on here that Tony Fernandes came up with the idea to get Charlie Austin back.
If this is true then this proves we don’t have a good recruiting policy - it’s all reactive depending on our situation. This is not how well run teams operate.
Cheers
James |
Hi James,
From what I've read Fernandes found out Austin was interested and passed it over to Ferdinand and Hoos as they were clearly looking for a striker. If the two of them signed off on it then that's all that matters, and it wouldn't matter of the info came from Fernandes, from me or from you. I didn't read any suggestion that the deal was done over their heads. If it had been, I'd be rightly worried, as you say. | |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 11:41 - Jan 20 with 1580 views | Blue_Castello |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 11:17 - Jan 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
Hi James,
From what I've read Fernandes found out Austin was interested and passed it over to Ferdinand and Hoos as they were clearly looking for a striker. If the two of them signed off on it then that's all that matters, and it wouldn't matter of the info came from Fernandes, from me or from you. I didn't read any suggestion that the deal was done over their heads. If it had been, I'd be rightly worried, as you say. |
Exactly rather than trying to find faults lets just appreciate that Austin kept in touch with Fernandes and as you say he then passed it on to Lee and Les, we desperately needed an experienced striker and getting Austin who loves the club is a massive result, providing his fitness holds up....
The more you read the press the more you realise there are loads of other examples out there of players running down their contracts, just read today Daniel Johnson at Preston is doing the same, however much it hurts with BOS and Manning we just have to accept and move on, there's plenty of talent out there to be scouted..... | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 12:25 - Jan 20 with 1503 views | R_from_afar |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 09:25 - Jan 20 by stevec |
The irony is if we made the kind of effort required to be a top 6 side rather than a bottom 6 side, the likes of BOS and Manning would probably have signed new contracts.
In the end, if you have more bad players than good players, the good players want to get out of the place. It’s up to the DOF to tip that balance as it has been for the last six years, let’s just hope he’s a slow starter. |
While I agree that a side consistently in or close to the top six would be more attractive to both current and prospective players, what you are saying about lack of effort is incredibly unfair. You surely know:
- The owners are continuing to pump £1m a month into the club
- What we can spend is determined by our (very modest) income, due to P&S / FFP rules
- Like other clubs, our income has crashed due to the pandemic.
Net net, until our income rises to well beyond where it was before the pandemic - and new ways of making money outside matchdays are required for that - we will have to continue to try to turn base metal into gold.
I'm sure the board is just as keen as we are to get promoted, but our current circumstances are a considerable millstone around the club's neck. |  |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 12:53 - Jan 20 with 1461 views | simmo |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 22:36 - Jan 19 by daveB |
responsible for losing those two is a combination of people but ultimately comes down to last 2 managers, DOF, the players and the agents.
Depending on who you like you can pick any of those and could have a case to blame it all on one or a few of them. Really they've all made mistakes along the way which have ultimately resulted in this happening [Post edited 19 Jan 2021 22:38]
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Except the managerial appointments are also supposed to be the choice of the DOF, who selects a 'coach' rather than a manager to oversee and improve the squad the DOF is tasked with strategically building over the long term. It's also supposed to be a manager/head coach whose preferred style is mirrored with the one we're fostering, to develop the assets in our image.
So giving each manager their own set of keys and allowing them to make all the changes they want and playing whatever style suits them, makes the DOF null and void.
The DOF also deals directly with agents and players, so again failures in that space ultimately falls at the feet of the DOF. We can't be sure though as the remits are blurred so that nobody has to take responsibility for failure.
It's even more frustrating as QPR is the type of club desperate for a proper DOF system over a typical managerial one, instead we seem to be blending the worst of both worlds. |  |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 13:19 - Jan 20 with 1403 views | simmo |
To be fair and for some balance, as I'm aware I've been very critical of Ferdinand recently, but the Warburton appointment and adoption of a style in his image is signs we're doing things properly at last. That includes recruitment of players that match his philosophy such as Dickie, Willock and the development/promotion of Dieng, etc.
If we're sticking with MW long term - as the actual choice of the DOF - and have decided now that this ball-playing style is the way forward, we should be making plans to retain, recruit and develop those that fit, with lots of future candidates shortlisted - including other managers and coaches that fit the mould should we need to replace Warburton.
We also need to be much more decisive with signings and recruitment/retention generally, and that comes with having a clear plan A, B, C and D for each position we're targeting. Deciding we are going to try and get Austin 3 days before we sign him shouldn't be happening, especially as we're 3 weeks into Jan and still without CM reinforcements.
I always think of that old documentary years ago with Moyes at Everton where he had a room of white boards that started with all existing first teamers, and developed to possible replacements over the next 5-10 years. Including those they had their eye on from the youth teams and lower leagues that matched their strategy. We need to be doing the same to compete long term in the same way, and no managerial appointment or agent should sway us from that plan [Post edited 20 Jan 2021 13:20]
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 13:48 - Jan 20 with 1345 views | daveB |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 12:53 - Jan 20 by simmo |
Except the managerial appointments are also supposed to be the choice of the DOF, who selects a 'coach' rather than a manager to oversee and improve the squad the DOF is tasked with strategically building over the long term. It's also supposed to be a manager/head coach whose preferred style is mirrored with the one we're fostering, to develop the assets in our image.
So giving each manager their own set of keys and allowing them to make all the changes they want and playing whatever style suits them, makes the DOF null and void.
The DOF also deals directly with agents and players, so again failures in that space ultimately falls at the feet of the DOF. We can't be sure though as the remits are blurred so that nobody has to take responsibility for failure.
It's even more frustrating as QPR is the type of club desperate for a proper DOF system over a typical managerial one, instead we seem to be blending the worst of both worlds. |
Supposed to be is the key bit with our approach. I think it's common knowledge that Ramsey, JFH, Holloway and McCLaren were not appointments recommended by Ferdinand, he of course had a say in them but he had put forward other people, Warburton appears to be the first one he has a big say in. When he first came in he wanted Sherwood, I mean that's a daft idea but I wish we had gone with him after Redknapp and got it out of the way.
It felt like after a lot of mistakes he was guiding the good ship QPR in the right direction in terms of the type of players signed and a genuine pathway from academy to first team created again a year ago but since COVID came it all feels like we've hit an iceberg. It looks a bit of a mess at the moment from the outside but get this windows signings right and things could look a lot better quite quickly.
Austin was a good start, I get the theory that well run clubs shouldn't be signing him on an impulse and you may well be right on this but I think they were looking for an experienced striker on loan this window and sometimes you can have as many plans as you want but circumstances dictate that a very good player becomes available you wouldn't have expected to get a few weeks earlier.
One thing I think we need to start to do is appreciate for all the planning and team building a team is only ever really together for 2/3 seasons at most so whilst you have 3/4/5 players in the team developing to be better in 2/3 years time they probably won't be here in 3 years time so you need to get the players around those right to ensure you are still competitive and improving. Apart from last season we haven't done that well enough | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 14:05 - Jan 20 with 1313 views | PinnerPaul |
Meanwhile, less than 5 hours to ko folks!  | | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 16:29 - Jan 20 with 1102 views | ridethewave |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 12:53 - Jan 20 by simmo |
Except the managerial appointments are also supposed to be the choice of the DOF, who selects a 'coach' rather than a manager to oversee and improve the squad the DOF is tasked with strategically building over the long term. It's also supposed to be a manager/head coach whose preferred style is mirrored with the one we're fostering, to develop the assets in our image.
So giving each manager their own set of keys and allowing them to make all the changes they want and playing whatever style suits them, makes the DOF null and void.
The DOF also deals directly with agents and players, so again failures in that space ultimately falls at the feet of the DOF. We can't be sure though as the remits are blurred so that nobody has to take responsibility for failure.
It's even more frustrating as QPR is the type of club desperate for a proper DOF system over a typical managerial one, instead we seem to be blending the worst of both worlds. |
Part of the issue is, independent of whether you like Les or not, he has no previous experience in a DoF role. A setup such as this makes the CEO and the DoF the two most important jobs at the club, particularly when you are going for an entirely new system for the first time. This requires experience, and yet QPR decided that the best way to approach this was to appoint a DoF with no prior experience to learn on the job.
I don't really think any of us are in a position to comment on whether Les has done a good or bad job, as we're not exactly privy as to who's making which decisions - in fact we don't have a clue - but my starting point for both jobs, particularly when it is a brand new approach for the club, would be to have plenty of experience in both. |  | | |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 16:50 - Jan 20 with 1061 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Burning Bright - Preview on 16:29 - Jan 20 by ridethewave |
Part of the issue is, independent of whether you like Les or not, he has no previous experience in a DoF role. A setup such as this makes the CEO and the DoF the two most important jobs at the club, particularly when you are going for an entirely new system for the first time. This requires experience, and yet QPR decided that the best way to approach this was to appoint a DoF with no prior experience to learn on the job.
I don't really think any of us are in a position to comment on whether Les has done a good or bad job, as we're not exactly privy as to who's making which decisions - in fact we don't have a clue - but my starting point for both jobs, particularly when it is a brand new approach for the club, would be to have plenty of experience in both. |
Well Lee Hoos came with plenty of experience and don't forget we also have Chris Ramsey as Technical Director. So perhaps this allowed for a "less experienced" person in the DOF role? | |
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| Burning Bright - Preview on 16:57 - Jan 20 with 1047 views | BrianMcCarthy |
It is a very fair point, though.
IIRC Ferdinand arrived as a highly qualified DoF with no experience which was noted by us as a fan group. He is experienced now though and two thoughts occurred recently when trying to analyse his position:
1) His performance with us has seen him linked twice with England roles, and
2) Notwithstanding the above, could his experience/performance be replaced if he left? | |
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