| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. 07:52 - Sep 19 with 3723 views | trampie |
Huge victory for the Yes campaign, roundabout 45% of the vote, battled against the Beeb, the newspapers, the 3 major Westminster parties and the capitalist bosses threats, what an amazing result for 'Yes'.
The next one is a shoo-in for 'Yes', continued Tory/NuLabour rule from Westminster and the demographics seemed to show the young voted for 'Yes' [up 40 years of age], the old voted for the status quo and they will be dead in the coming years.
Amazing result for 'Yes' against the odds. [Post edited 19 Sep 2014 7:56]
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 11:22 - Sep 19 with 923 views | WarwickHunt |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 11:19 - Sep 19 by C_jack |
a despairing defeat for Scotland and the No campaign. |
Gordon Brown contemplating suicide.
MInd you, he looks like he does most days... |  | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 11:29 - Sep 19 with 913 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Considering we battled against Abramovic's billions and all Chelsea's world class players last Saturday that 4-2 scoreline was a magnificent victory.
Shouldn't we have another three points? |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 11:45 - Sep 19 with 892 views | Uxbridge |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 09:46 - Sep 19 by perchrockjack |
Andrew.
Sorry but the industrial heartlands of Lanark /Glasgow/Dunbarton/Dundee never have remotely Conservative . The Ediinburgh area more conservative and the highlands and islands more independent minded but even these turned their backs on full separation so a clear message there.
Its a great day for our island and you,as an accountant, would be well aware of the possible/probably fiscal meltdown that would affect us both |
That's like saying England is socialist because the North West largely votes Labour. I've always had Scotland down as conservative with a small c in general. Even given the populist fervour of the SNP pulling every trick in the book and inventing a few more, they couldn't get a majority over the line. I don't believe for a second that this vote was won on a sense of Britishness, it was won due to the conservative instincts of the majority of the electorate. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 12:05 - Sep 19 with 876 views | Catullus |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 11:45 - Sep 19 by Uxbridge |
That's like saying England is socialist because the North West largely votes Labour. I've always had Scotland down as conservative with a small c in general. Even given the populist fervour of the SNP pulling every trick in the book and inventing a few more, they couldn't get a majority over the line. I don't believe for a second that this vote was won on a sense of Britishness, it was won due to the conservative instincts of the majority of the electorate. |
I'd go along with you. In the end the undecided chose the devil they know. And the majority were more worried about what being outside the UK would bring rather than believe Salmonds promises of prosperity and a fairer society.
Now, if Scotland get more power, the Welsh government should be pushing hard for our own devo max, if they have any balls!
I'm generally against our assembly, but I'll give them a chance. And more fully devolved regional assemblies should be a trigger for slashing Mp's at Westminster. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 12:20 - Sep 19 with 862 views | CountyJim |
Sorry I think you will find it was a defeat by 10% despite the intimidation the No voters faced
A big defeat |  | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 12:32 - Sep 19 with 853 views | Catullus |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 12:20 - Sep 19 by CountyJim |
Sorry I think you will find it was a defeat by 10% despite the intimidation the No voters faced
A big defeat |
It's not much of a swing for a yes win though is it? It's nowhere near a big defeat. A 6% swing is all it would take. Or for some of the other 15% to go vote, or a combination.
But not a big win any way you cut it.
It is a big smack in the face for Westminster, a wake up call hopefully.
And listening to Fallon on the daily politics waffling through his arguments doesn't fill me with confidence, "we're not in it to fail" maybe not, but it doesn't mean you'll succeed!! Andrew Neil is ripping him a new one. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 12:32 - Sep 19 with 853 views | Starsky |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 10:16 - Sep 19 by WarwickHunt |
So, in twenty or so years time it would have been almost unanimous then...
Love the "stunning victory" angle - a bit like Michael Foot's great "victory for socialism" in the 1983 election...
I suppose Trampie will be along in a minute to tell us that Labour only lost that election because it wasn't left wing enough. |
It's like losing 2-1 to Stoke while telling the press that a moral victory was won today.
Come to think of it... MArtinez wasn't far off that mark when he was here.
"Although we lost today, we learnt soo much. This will help us improve our results for the rest of the season" go Trampie MArtinez.  |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:07 - Sep 19 with 819 views | Liberty |
I do wonder if the 600 k English people living in Scotland and eligible to vote swayed matters. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:50 - Sep 19 with 775 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:07 - Sep 19 by Liberty |
I do wonder if the 600 k English people living in Scotland and eligible to vote swayed matters. |
Maybe so, but the Scottish people living in England would have swayed it the other way largely and they couldn't vote so it probably evens out.
I disagree with the posters saying next time. If you look at Quebec, they came much closer once and now have gone right back the other way after further powers were devolved.
Also, there is little chance of another vote for many years - both sides described it as a 'once in a generation' vote - it makes it a complete farce if they vote every few years given that a 'yes' vote would be a one off .
i think this was their 'knife edge' - a real swelling of anti Tory, anti austerity, anti England (not English - I think that's a different matter) sentiment was being stirred, together with allowing 16/17 year olds to vote - if they couldn't get it over the line this time, that may be their biggest chance gone.
On a practical note of course, if they do not vote again for say 25 years or so - that's North Sea Oil virtually gone at that point and hopefully the world will have moved on from our dependence on oil as well.
Much as I dislike Cameron and his cronies, I have to say that I again thought that the Ruth Davidson was very good and sensible last night- she seems a real step up from the usual lot. Leanne Wood was good as well - hopefully we have some talented people starting to emerge out of the dross.
As a final point - for the strong supporters of Welsh nationalism and Plaid - I found the total refusal to acknowledge Wales as having any meaning whatsoever from the SNP a disgrace. As far as they are concerned, the UK is simply Scotland and England - a more dismissive, contemptuous attitude to Wales and the Welsh would be difficult to find. | | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:54 - Sep 19 with 771 views | jacabertawe |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:07 - Sep 19 by Liberty |
I do wonder if the 600 k English people living in Scotland and eligible to vote swayed matters. |
The footage on the BBC News of attention seeking Nigella Forage posting letters to Scottish MPs, demanding that do not vote on England-only matters, was amusing. I hope he addressed them only to the Westminster party representatives, because the SNP MPs (and Plaid's in Wales) do not do so as a matter of principle. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 14:21 - Sep 19 with 744 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:07 - Sep 19 by Liberty |
I do wonder if the 600 k English people living in Scotland and eligible to vote swayed matters. |
A lot easier to 'sell the dream' to all those 16 and 17 yr olds too. I know i didnt have a Scooby at that age and would have been delighted to have a crack at ridding ourselves of those "arrogant english" without giving a second thought to the economic and financial impact that would bring.
Salmond couldnt even manage to distinguish between the UK and England in the interviews i saw of him, and that summed up exactly what that campaign was about and that was vitriol aimed at the toffs. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 14:34 - Sep 19 with 720 views | Uxbridge |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 13:50 - Sep 19 by londonlisa2001 |
Maybe so, but the Scottish people living in England would have swayed it the other way largely and they couldn't vote so it probably evens out.
I disagree with the posters saying next time. If you look at Quebec, they came much closer once and now have gone right back the other way after further powers were devolved.
Also, there is little chance of another vote for many years - both sides described it as a 'once in a generation' vote - it makes it a complete farce if they vote every few years given that a 'yes' vote would be a one off .
i think this was their 'knife edge' - a real swelling of anti Tory, anti austerity, anti England (not English - I think that's a different matter) sentiment was being stirred, together with allowing 16/17 year olds to vote - if they couldn't get it over the line this time, that may be their biggest chance gone.
On a practical note of course, if they do not vote again for say 25 years or so - that's North Sea Oil virtually gone at that point and hopefully the world will have moved on from our dependence on oil as well.
Much as I dislike Cameron and his cronies, I have to say that I again thought that the Ruth Davidson was very good and sensible last night- she seems a real step up from the usual lot. Leanne Wood was good as well - hopefully we have some talented people starting to emerge out of the dross.
As a final point - for the strong supporters of Welsh nationalism and Plaid - I found the total refusal to acknowledge Wales as having any meaning whatsoever from the SNP a disgrace. As far as they are concerned, the UK is simply Scotland and England - a more dismissive, contemptuous attitude to Wales and the Welsh would be difficult to find. |
Completely agree on the final paragraph. It may well have been just a line to convince the rabid nationalists this was all a vote to get away from the English yoke but the borderline contempt for the rest of the UK was disgraceful. I almost wanted them to vote Yes and suffer just because of that. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 14:41 - Sep 19 with 708 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 14:34 - Sep 19 by Uxbridge |
Completely agree on the final paragraph. It may well have been just a line to convince the rabid nationalists this was all a vote to get away from the English yoke but the borderline contempt for the rest of the UK was disgraceful. I almost wanted them to vote Yes and suffer just because of that. |
I thought a yes vote would be quite funny because I genuinely believe it wouldn't have been long before it all went t*ts up.
But the amount of time it would have wasted over the next couple of years would have been shocking and to be honest, I am heartily sick of hearing about Scotland.
One thing that this campaign has done is make me dislike Scotland a lot more than I dislike England. I always had a sense of 'Celts together' before this. I am now firmly in the camp of thinking that they have far too much 'airtime' compared to Wales and that they should shut up. There's now non stop whinging about it being 'fixed'. What a load of crap. | | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 14:58 - Sep 19 with 690 views | londonlisa2001 |
Oh, and one last point on all of this.
Dear Scotland - William Wallace was Welsh, Braveheart is a film and Mel Gibson is a US dwelling, Australian anti semite not a freedom fighter. | | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:12 - Sep 19 with 655 views | trampie |
Huge victory for Salmond, Salmond didn't want independence he wanted more powers, his lot was on 25% or so in the polls a short time ago, they wanted 'devo max' on the ballot paper as they thought they had no chance of getting independence, Cameron knowing the Scots would vote for 'devo max' by a landslide said no, its independence or we stay as we are, thinking independence would have no chance, Salmond showed big at that point thinking at least 'us' wanting more power will be highlighted and on the agenda.
Then with a week to go it was so close in the polls that both Salmond and Cameron were both in shock and both in the same place thinking what do we do if they vote 'Yes' ?, they both sh*t themselves, Salmond had nothing in place for an independent Scotland and Cameron had nothing in place for a UK minus Scotland.
The vote did go 'No' [this time] as I said it would over and over, but Salmond got a huge 45% of the vote, I didn't think he would get nowhere near that much when they originally said there was going to be a vote, the British state sh*t themselves in the last week or so and started making promises to the Scots to make sure they did vote 'No'.
Salmond has got what he wanted, Salmond has won the game hands down, it is an amazing victory for him and his supporters. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:15 - Sep 19 with 650 views | union_jack |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 10:13 - Sep 19 by Darran |
Well as long as we play well and lose 2-0 tomorrow I for one shall leave the ground feeling victorious.
What. The. F*cking. F*ck? |
Indeed, it will be a stunning victory!
Warra tw@t! |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:16 - Sep 19 with 647 views | Ponderosa |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:12 - Sep 19 by trampie |
Huge victory for Salmond, Salmond didn't want independence he wanted more powers, his lot was on 25% or so in the polls a short time ago, they wanted 'devo max' on the ballot paper as they thought they had no chance of getting independence, Cameron knowing the Scots would vote for 'devo max' by a landslide said no, its independence or we stay as we are, thinking independence would have no chance, Salmond showed big at that point thinking at least 'us' wanting more power will be highlighted and on the agenda.
Then with a week to go it was so close in the polls that both Salmond and Cameron were both in shock and both in the same place thinking what do we do if they vote 'Yes' ?, they both sh*t themselves, Salmond had nothing in place for an independent Scotland and Cameron had nothing in place for a UK minus Scotland.
The vote did go 'No' [this time] as I said it would over and over, but Salmond got a huge 45% of the vote, I didn't think he would get nowhere near that much when they originally said there was going to be a vote, the British state sh*t themselves in the last week or so and started making promises to the Scots to make sure they did vote 'No'.
Salmond has got what he wanted, Salmond has won the game hands down, it is an amazing victory for him and his supporters. |
You are Comical Ap Ali and I claim my Bara Brith |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:24 - Sep 19 with 629 views | oldgrey |
If that was a "stunning victory" I despair.
so hugely victorious that Salmond has resigned.
perhaps he will apply for the cardiff job next. | | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:25 - Sep 19 with 623 views | Phil_S |
In the wake of this sensational victory Alex Salmond resigns
Presumably citing it can't get any better as one of the reasons and he is going out at the top? |  | | |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:31 - Sep 19 with 606 views | C_jack |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:25 - Sep 19 by Phil_S |
In the wake of this sensational victory Alex Salmond resigns
Presumably citing it can't get any better as one of the reasons and he is going out at the top? |
Achieved everything he could in the game. |  |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:31 - Sep 19 with 603 views | trampie |
There is nothing else left for him, SNP are in charge of the Scottish Parliament and he has secured 'devo max'. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:35 - Sep 19 with 597 views | Lohengrin |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:16 - Sep 19 by Ponderosa |
You are Comical Ap Ali and I claim my Bara Brith |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:38 - Sep 19 with 591 views | trampie |
Some 'No' voters bribed and some swindled. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:41 - Sep 19 with 579 views | Lohengrin |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:38 - Sep 19 by trampie |
Some 'No' voters bribed and some swindled. |
Most, if not all elections are won by promises, often false, that could be construed as bribery. Ultimately we are all of us swindled. | |
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| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:41 - Sep 19 with 577 views | union_jack |
| Stunning victory for Salmond and the Yes campaign. on 16:38 - Sep 19 by trampie |
Some 'No' voters bribed and some swindled. |
Please, just stop now. Please!
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