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Andrea Lewis, cabinet member for next generation services, said: "You can't help but to be moved and horrified by footage on the news of refugees risking their lives to escape war and persecution for better lives.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 14:36 - Oct 4 by Uxbridge
Protectionism isn't really compatible with our economic model though, and anyway would only lead to similar practices in other markets. There does seem a fair amount of work out there though.
You do worry where the next generation will come from though ... If all the low level work was offshored, education is worthless without the roles to go into.
Interestingly, a certain large scale government agency based in Clase has just taken its entire IT infrastructure and development back in house after nearly 30 years of buying it from third party companies at massively overinflated costs to the taxpayer.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 14:39 - Oct 4 by exiledclaseboy
Interestingly, a certain large scale government agency based in Clase has just taken its entire IT infrastructure and development back in house after nearly 30 years of buying it from third party companies at massively overinflated costs to the taxpayer.
Is that a vehicle based government agency by any chance?
There are certainly third party companies still involved. May not be the "big hitters", but...
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 14:39 - Oct 4 by exiledclaseboy
Interestingly, a certain large scale government agency based in Clase has just taken its entire IT infrastructure and development back in house after nearly 30 years of buying it from third party companies at massively overinflated costs to the taxpayer.
Ha, has it. I don't blame them, and I'd seen it first hand. Was it true they had a shadow IT team that did all the same work anyway so they effectively did the same thing twice? I'd like to think it is.
A system is only as good as its requirements though, and they're often ridiculously sketchy.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 14:46 - Oct 4 by Uxbridge
Ha, has it. I don't blame them, and I'd seen it first hand. Was it true they had a shadow IT team that did all the same work anyway so they effectively did the same thing twice? I'd like to think it is.
A system is only as good as its requirements though, and they're often ridiculously sketchy.
First public sector organisation to do it. On the rest, I couldn't possibly comment.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 14:48 - Oct 4 by exiledclaseboy
First public sector organisation to do it. On the rest, I couldn't possibly comment.
Was indeed, and a loss leader for the company who won the deal. They did , and continue to, do alright out of it though. How long that lasts with their planned offshore model is open to question though!
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 13:04 - Oct 4 by Uxbridge
I'm still waiting to be told who is losing out to any Syrians.
I'm no fan of new Labour, but I'm not sure multiculturalism was a pillar of it. And while I agree that there are very complex integration issues (I used to travel through Southall all the time, I'm not sure some on here could cope with that!) that we haven't done enough to address, from an economic standpoint an isolationist policy is very harmful. Our hi tech sector for example is handicapped by our restrictions to bring in skilled Labour.
No doubt resources in this country are stretched in parts, but that's an issue with our level of resourcing, and that for me should be the debate, not helping out a paltry amount of refugees.
I'm still waiting to be told who is losing out to any Syrians.
So you and Andre's think it's going to be cost-free?
If there is no demand for these houses by people on the waiting list (which I very much doubt) they should be sold off.
People who are losing out are the 1700 on the waiting list because the council on one hand cannot handle their housing stock while simultaneously worrying about foreigners
Also taxpayers losing out paying for the council to own and maintain properties for which there is apparently no demand.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 15:37 - Oct 4 by dailew
I'm still waiting to be told who is losing out to any Syrians.
So you and Andre's think it's going to be cost-free?
If there is no demand for these houses by people on the waiting list (which I very much doubt) they should be sold off.
People who are losing out are the 1700 on the waiting list because the council on one hand cannot handle their housing stock while simultaneously worrying about foreigners
Also taxpayers losing out paying for the council to own and maintain properties for which there is apparently no demand.
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So your answer to a shortage of social housing is to sell what stock we have because we have a temporarily clear waiting list? Super stuff.
Lisa rather nailed this on the last page, didn't she.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 09:33 - Oct 5 by Uxbridge
So your answer to a shortage of social housing is to sell what stock we have because we have a temporarily clear waiting list? Super stuff.
Lisa rather nailed this on the last page, didn't she.
As I said on another post, the money could be used to build more suitable accommodation.
The houses sold would still be there but hopefully in the hands of someone who can make proper use of them.
This would result in the increase in housing stock.
You really do need things spelling out for you, don't you.
P.S. If these are only temporarily not needed as you imply then local families will be losers in the future, or do you propose chucking the Syrians out once they are needed by locals?
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 12:08 - Oct 5 by dailew
As I said on another post, the money could be used to build more suitable accommodation.
The houses sold would still be there but hopefully in the hands of someone who can make proper use of them.
This would result in the increase in housing stock.
You really do need things spelling out for you, don't you.
P.S. If these are only temporarily not needed as you imply then local families will be losers in the future, or do you propose chucking the Syrians out once they are needed by locals?
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Speaking of things needing to be spelled out, have you considered that the cost of building the new accommodation could be higher than the profits gained from selling the existing houses?
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.
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Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 12:15 - Oct 5 by JackSomething
Speaking of things needing to be spelled out, have you considered that the cost of building the new accommodation could be higher than the profits gained from selling the existing houses?
Build as much as you can with the available money.
Flats cost little to build. May even increase the council housing stock.
carrying on the council house sell off theme, without doubt this has affected this country more radically than the coal/steel/shipbuilding demise.
Much drivel talked about being a house owning democracy. You don't need a house of your won to be democratic, Germans/Italians /Spanish/French don't have this obsession.
MAYBE its a class thing wherby if you own a home and a bigger one than someone else then youre more successful etc.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 12:24 - Oct 5 by dailew
Build as much as you can with the available money.
Flats cost little to build. May even increase the council housing stock.
I'm no building expert, but I'd be very surprised if the profits from selling off a number of council houses would be enough to build a single block of flats.
You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.
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Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 12:36 - Oct 5 by JackSomething
I'm no building expert, but I'd be very surprised if the profits from selling off a number of council houses would be enough to build a single block of flats.
Then use the money elsewhere.
What's the point of keeping stock that's not, apparently, needed?
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 12:08 - Oct 5 by dailew
As I said on another post, the money could be used to build more suitable accommodation.
The houses sold would still be there but hopefully in the hands of someone who can make proper use of them.
This would result in the increase in housing stock.
You really do need things spelling out for you, don't you.
P.S. If these are only temporarily not needed as you imply then local families will be losers in the future, or do you propose chucking the Syrians out once they are needed by locals?
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I'm proposing that a few houses for a few families in desperate need of avoiding a warzone is a complete sideshow.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 13:13 - Oct 4 by Uxbridge
I think Yewtree has proven that paedophilia is not exclusively an immigrant issue.
Some humans are arses. That's not news. Many many aren't though, so I can't buy the argument we turn all away because a handful aren't nice. That's what the checks and balances of any asylum seekers is for. Some get missed, lots don't.
Ah yes Operation Yewtree. Crimes committed 20, 30, 40 years ago came out at almost EXACTLY the same time as the media was forced to report on wide-scale Islamic paedophile gangs.
Gotta be a coincidence right?
So basically you are happy put people at risk as it's only a handful who may be paedophiles, Islamic terrorist and rapists?
What's a handful of a million? Or a thousand? Or a hundred?
Your first paragraph seems to suggest that as we have British paedophiles we shouldn't worry about foreign ones? We have enough bad people here as it is - why MUST we run the risk of importing more?
The compassionate thing to do is to protect the people of this country.
I cannot fathom exactly what reason you have for putting lives at risk and this risk is multiplied infinitely with the immigrants being Islamic?
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 17:50 - Oct 5 with 1434 views
ITs a fact that SOME Muslim men in the former Lancashire milltowns have a predeliction for young girls,WHITE girls, whom they see as trash/prostitutes.
Its also a fact east Europe is a hot bed for career criminals dealing in child prostitution.
They specialise in it.
Certain nationalities specialise in certain crimes
Nobody is saying there are no home grown criminals in this field but we certainly don't want to attract any more from overseas..
There is a reason why Muslim women are covered up ,to be modest in dress whereas British women ,especially girls , by not doing so and exposing flesh are seen as filth and not worthy of respect. That IS FACT
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 17:50 - Oct 5 by perchrockjack
ITs a fact that SOME Muslim men in the former Lancashire milltowns have a predeliction for young girls,WHITE girls, whom they see as trash/prostitutes.
Its also a fact east Europe is a hot bed for career criminals dealing in child prostitution.
They specialise in it.
Certain nationalities specialise in certain crimes
Nobody is saying there are no home grown criminals in this field but we certainly don't want to attract any more from overseas..
There is a reason why Muslim women are covered up ,to be modest in dress whereas British women ,especially girls , by not doing so and exposing flesh are seen as filth and not worthy of respect. That IS FACT
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 20:33 - Oct 5 by Flashberryjack
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Fabulous.
A genuine, Islamaphobic, extremely right wing, Zionistic pro Israeli nutter is exactly what is needed to give proper perspective to the debate of whether or not Swansea council should house the grand total of 60 refugees.
Isn't it wonderful that Brigitte Gabriel, (or Nour Semaan - let's give her her actual name shall we) has managed to make so much money profiting from the tragic events of 9/11.
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Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 21:18 - Oct 5 by londonlisa2001
Fabulous.
A genuine, Islamaphobic, extremely right wing, Zionistic pro Israeli nutter is exactly what is needed to give proper perspective to the debate of whether or not Swansea council should house the grand total of 60 refugees.
Isn't it wonderful that Brigitte Gabriel, (or Nour Semaan - let's give her her actual name shall we) has managed to make so much money profiting from the tragic events of 9/11.
"A genuine, Islamaphobic" what exactly is an Islamaphobic.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 17:41 - Oct 5 by VetchitBack
Ah yes Operation Yewtree. Crimes committed 20, 30, 40 years ago came out at almost EXACTLY the same time as the media was forced to report on wide-scale Islamic paedophile gangs.
Gotta be a coincidence right?
So basically you are happy put people at risk as it's only a handful who may be paedophiles, Islamic terrorist and rapists?
What's a handful of a million? Or a thousand? Or a hundred?
Your first paragraph seems to suggest that as we have British paedophiles we shouldn't worry about foreign ones? We have enough bad people here as it is - why MUST we run the risk of importing more?
The compassionate thing to do is to protect the people of this country.
I cannot fathom exactly what reason you have for putting lives at risk and this risk is multiplied infinitely with the immigrants being Islamic?
Hold on ... Hold on.... Did you just say Yewtree is a cover to take media attention away from Rochdale and Rotherham?! Wow.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 17:41 - Oct 5 by VetchitBack
Ah yes Operation Yewtree. Crimes committed 20, 30, 40 years ago came out at almost EXACTLY the same time as the media was forced to report on wide-scale Islamic paedophile gangs.
Gotta be a coincidence right?
So basically you are happy put people at risk as it's only a handful who may be paedophiles, Islamic terrorist and rapists?
What's a handful of a million? Or a thousand? Or a hundred?
Your first paragraph seems to suggest that as we have British paedophiles we shouldn't worry about foreign ones? We have enough bad people here as it is - why MUST we run the risk of importing more?
The compassionate thing to do is to protect the people of this country.
I cannot fathom exactly what reason you have for putting lives at risk and this risk is multiplied infinitely with the immigrants being Islamic?
White Paedophile gang sentenced last month in Bristol.
Swansea Council urgently making homes available for Syrian refugees on 21:52 - Oct 5 by londonlisa2001
Islamophobic nutter is what I wrote (with a few other adjectives thrown in).
Someone who hates Moslems, which she does. Irrationally. With every ounce of her being.
I wouldn't say her feelings were entirely irrational, Lisa. She's a Maronite Christian; I've no doubt that she's been shaped by experiences during her formative years in the Lebanon. She's a fanatic for sure but that hardly makes her unique amongst the hundreds of thousands of such products of the region.
She rather reminds of Melanie Phillips, only with a more expensive hairdresser and a vastly expanded wardrobe.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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