| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo 11:24 - May 20 with 10051 views | perchrockjack |
Fail to how anyone could vote for either
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 01:09 - May 28 with 1136 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
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She used the term "support the IRA" - maybe he was sympathetic to the Republican cause and a united Ireland but that's a whole world of difference to supporting a terrorist group.
And I agree wholeheartedly that he chooses to be on the left side of the plucky underdog against imperialistic oppressors, and would have been a lot more "enthusiastic" as a younger man, but I don't believe for one minute that he crossed any serious lines to trouble his conscience.
And maybe I need this explained to me but how would "supporting the IRA" have benefitted Jeremy Corbyn anyway? |
The Irish conflict is so complicated.
You wouldn't know what side anybody was on .
I've studied this for a bit
I've not gone into it deeply, because of there's a web so big you'd agree with every sentence from both sides |  |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 02:32 - May 28 with 1115 views | Humpty |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 00:23 - May 28 by TheResurrection |
She used the term "support the IRA" - maybe he was sympathetic to the Republican cause and a united Ireland but that's a whole world of difference to supporting a terrorist group.
And I agree wholeheartedly that he chooses to be on the left side of the plucky underdog against imperialistic oppressors, and would have been a lot more "enthusiastic" as a younger man, but I don't believe for one minute that he crossed any serious lines to trouble his conscience.
And maybe I need this explained to me but how would "supporting the IRA" have benefitted Jeremy Corbyn anyway? |
I think there's more to this than your usual Tory smears.
I have no problem with anyone supporting Irish republicanism, it's a legitimate view to hold.
I couldn't give two f*cks either way. If there was a way to saw NI off from Europe, push it into the sea and let the North Atlantic Drift take it to the Arctic so they could squabble up there it wouldn't bother me much. Britain and Ireland would be better places.
But Corbyn never had anything to do with the SDLP. The other, larger, republican party in NI at that time who rejected violence and are regarded as the sister party to our Labour Party. He did spend an awful lot of time however with Sinn Fein which was the political arm of the IRA. Troubling for me. If you're an Irish republican who wants peace supporting them might have helped.
An ex Labour MP who is now a journalist whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, said today on the radio that Corbyn attended a memorial event in the eighties for IRA members who were killed by the SAS as they attempted to attack a police station. Corbyn claims it was an event to commemorate all victims of the troubles. Said journalist claimed this was bullshit, it was solely for the dead terrorists.
I've no idea if that is true or not, but if it is it's a f*cking disgusting thing for a sitting British MP to do.
The Tories smearing of Corbyn for his absolutely correct speech this week that our foreign adventures increase the support for Islamist terrorism was oppurtunistic and disgusting.
Their accusations of support for the IRA, not so much. [Post edited 28 May 2017 14:31]
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 02:41 - May 28 with 1113 views | Humpty |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 01:09 - May 28 by oh_tommy_tommy |
The Irish conflict is so complicated.
You wouldn't know what side anybody was on .
I've studied this for a bit
I've not gone into it deeply, because of there's a web so big you'd agree with every sentence from both sides |
I know what side I was on.
The side that thought killing people was wrong. That applies to the terrorists on both sides. | | | |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 10:41 - May 28 with 1055 views | Brynmill_Jack |
I've already posted a link to this but unfortunately the usual Tory lovers on here ignore it because it doesn't fit their narrative you see. |  |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 10:47 - May 28 with 1049 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 02:32 - May 28 by Humpty |
I think there's more to this than your usual Tory smears.
I have no problem with anyone supporting Irish republicanism, it's a legitimate view to hold.
I couldn't give two f*cks either way. If there was a way to saw NI off from Europe, push it into the sea and let the North Atlantic Drift take it to the Arctic so they could squabble up there it wouldn't bother me much. Britain and Ireland would be better places.
But Corbyn never had anything to do with the SDLP. The other, larger, republican party in NI at that time who rejected violence and are regarded as the sister party to our Labour Party. He did spend an awful lot of time however with Sinn Fein which was the political arm of the IRA. Troubling for me. If you're an Irish republican who wants peace supporting them might have helped.
An ex Labour MP who is now a journalist whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, said today on the radio that Corbyn attended a memorial event in the eighties for IRA members who were killed by the SAS as they attempted to attack a police station. Corbyn claims it was an event to commemorate all victims of the troubles. Said journalist claimed this was bullshit, it was solely for the dead terrorists.
I've no idea if that is true or not, but if it is it's a f*cking disgusting thing for a sitting British MP to do.
The Tories smearing of Corbyn for his absolutely correct speech this week that our foreign adventures increase the support for Islamist terrorism was oppurtunistic and disgusting.
Their accusations of support for the IRA, not so much. [Post edited 28 May 2017 14:31]
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That memorial was probably to do with the Loughgall Ambush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush
Corbyn's alleged connection with which has already been covered extensively in pre-election stuff by this press snippet.
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 10:48 - May 28 with 1048 views | Highjack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 10:41 - May 28 by Brynmill_Jack |
I've already posted a link to this but unfortunately the usual Tory lovers on here ignore it because it doesn't fit their narrative you see. |
In a perfect world she should be utterly rejected by the electorate as should Corbyn as should any person seeking election after associating themselves with such abhorrent views and people. Sadly most people vote for the party, not the candidate. |  |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:06 - May 28 with 1034 views | rock1n |
Alan johnsons reaction on this week was most telling |  |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:13 - May 28 with 1028 views | londonlisa2001 |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 21:36 - May 27 by TheResurrection |
I know you're getting on a bit now but were you in London in the 70's and 80's to get that feel yourself? And are you really in a position to speak so candidly on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of North Londoner's, be them from the Irish Community or otherwise?
Supporting a united Ireland after its political annexation by Imperial GB isn't the same as "supporting the IRA"
Are you seriously trying to implicate him in encouraging a terrorist bombing campaign? |
I lived in Stoke Newington and Finsbury Park in the late 80s / early 90s, and as I have said on here before, I had a group of friends, who were part of the North London left wing set that included Corbyn. Ex UCL for the most part, Labour Party activists, one works for Corbyn as a policy head even now. One went on to form some sort of Marxist party which she heads now, some were part of the Islington Town Hall lot, two more were Irish themselves, one of whom is now a well respected Irish film maker. I used to go to Highbury with them to watch Arsenal - many times. They also came with me to watch the Swans against Orient, or other London games.
So yes, I think I knew enough about it to comment. And what I said was fervent supporters of the AIMS of the IRA. I also said that they may not have approved of the bombings but it wasn't a deal breaker for them. And I mentioned the North London Irish community, not all North Londoners.
Conversely, I have / had two friends (one of them was a University friend I'm not in touch with anymore, one is still a good friend), whose parents were bombed by the IRA. Neither successfully thank God as in one case only 1 of the 3 bombs planted in their house went off and they were asleep far enough away that they were fine, and the other as part of the Brighton bombings when they were staying in the hotel with Thatcher et al.
And I am not implicating him in encouraging a terrorist bombing campaign - I didn't say that even slightly. I'm sure that he would have preferred no bombings took place, but that his support wasn't withdrawn as a result of them.
I remember huge screaming matches with some of the more loony lot about the whole thing, one in particular who really was pro IRA. I was much more nationalistic in those days, and had sympathy with the drive for a United Ireland (as I did with Welsh nationalism). But for me, any harm of an innocent was (and remains), an ABSOLUTE deal breaker. | | | |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:16 - May 28 with 1018 views | perchrockjack |
Alan Johnson is the man for both the Labour Party and the country.
An honourable man and from far humbler background than Jez. One who s worked shiftsa, modest home, poor parents , had a real job not a union agitator
His books are excellent reading
A man who would demolish Ms May and who the Tories would fear .
Yet, they voted Corbyn | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:19 - May 28 with 1010 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:16 - May 28 by perchrockjack |
Alan Johnson is the man for both the Labour Party and the country.
An honourable man and from far humbler background than Jez. One who s worked shiftsa, modest home, poor parents , had a real job not a union agitator
His books are excellent reading
A man who would demolish Ms May and who the Tories would fear .
Yet, they voted Corbyn |
My, this record is f*cked. Keeps going over the same groove again and again. And again | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 13:28 - May 28 with 986 views | TheResurrection |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 02:32 - May 28 by Humpty |
I think there's more to this than your usual Tory smears.
I have no problem with anyone supporting Irish republicanism, it's a legitimate view to hold.
I couldn't give two f*cks either way. If there was a way to saw NI off from Europe, push it into the sea and let the North Atlantic Drift take it to the Arctic so they could squabble up there it wouldn't bother me much. Britain and Ireland would be better places.
But Corbyn never had anything to do with the SDLP. The other, larger, republican party in NI at that time who rejected violence and are regarded as the sister party to our Labour Party. He did spend an awful lot of time however with Sinn Fein which was the political arm of the IRA. Troubling for me. If you're an Irish republican who wants peace supporting them might have helped.
An ex Labour MP who is now a journalist whose name I've unfortunately forgotten, said today on the radio that Corbyn attended a memorial event in the eighties for IRA members who were killed by the SAS as they attempted to attack a police station. Corbyn claims it was an event to commemorate all victims of the troubles. Said journalist claimed this was bullshit, it was solely for the dead terrorists.
I've no idea if that is true or not, but if it is it's a f*cking disgusting thing for a sitting British MP to do.
The Tories smearing of Corbyn for his absolutely correct speech this week that our foreign adventures increase the support for Islamist terrorism was oppurtunistic and disgusting.
Their accusations of support for the IRA, not so much. [Post edited 28 May 2017 14:31]
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But you've no idea if that's true so it becomes almost immaterial. We can't allow ourselves to swallow up what is clearly a smear campaign and yes, I know you said it was an ex Labour MP who said that but that doesn't make it any more legitimate. |  |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 13:51 - May 28 with 978 views | rock1n |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 11:16 - May 28 by perchrockjack |
Alan Johnson is the man for both the Labour Party and the country.
An honourable man and from far humbler background than Jez. One who s worked shiftsa, modest home, poor parents , had a real job not a union agitator
His books are excellent reading
A man who would demolish Ms May and who the Tories would fear .
Yet, they voted Corbyn |
I'd vote for him - pragmatic centrist old right labour.
But instead we have granddad | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:23 - May 28 with 952 views | Highjack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 13:28 - May 28 by TheResurrection |
But you've no idea if that's true so it becomes almost immaterial. We can't allow ourselves to swallow up what is clearly a smear campaign and yes, I know you said it was an ex Labour MP who said that but that doesn't make it any more legitimate. |
It's not a smear campaign. It's scrutiny. The fact is that Corbyn has always been a back bench activist with absolutely no ambition or intention for government or shadow government positions. Now he's been thrust into the limelight, nominated for party leader as a bit of a joke, then won the vote because a load of Tories paid £3 to vote for him. It's a farcical situation and he shouldn't be anywhere near this job. He's on the record with direct quotes, calling Hamas and hezbollah his friends, he should be questioned intensely on these stances because if he gets in our foreign policy is likely to change dramatically. | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:38 - May 28 with 942 views | Humpty |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:23 - May 28 by Highjack |
It's not a smear campaign. It's scrutiny. The fact is that Corbyn has always been a back bench activist with absolutely no ambition or intention for government or shadow government positions. Now he's been thrust into the limelight, nominated for party leader as a bit of a joke, then won the vote because a load of Tories paid £3 to vote for him. It's a farcical situation and he shouldn't be anywhere near this job. He's on the record with direct quotes, calling Hamas and hezbollah his friends, he should be questioned intensely on these stances because if he gets in our foreign policy is likely to change dramatically. |
Our foreign policy should change dramatically.
A few years ago Cameron wanted to bomb the Assad regime but he lost the vote for it. Now we are bombing the people who oppose Assad. When you're itching to bomb someone but aren't too bothered about which side to attack, something's f*cked up.
Only a few weeks ago our Foreign Secretary said it would be it would be very difficult for us to say no if the US wanted us to attack Assad.
I don't want Donald f*cking Trump to be in charge of our armed forces. [Post edited 28 May 2017 16:46]
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:44 - May 28 with 932 views | JackTheLad |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:23 - May 28 by Highjack |
It's not a smear campaign. It's scrutiny. The fact is that Corbyn has always been a back bench activist with absolutely no ambition or intention for government or shadow government positions. Now he's been thrust into the limelight, nominated for party leader as a bit of a joke, then won the vote because a load of Tories paid £3 to vote for him. It's a farcical situation and he shouldn't be anywhere near this job. He's on the record with direct quotes, calling Hamas and hezbollah his friends, he should be questioned intensely on these stances because if he gets in our foreign policy is likely to change dramatically. |
There are no words for people like you who buy into this rubbish. Shafted by the mainstream media. Actually, brain-dead, that encapsulates it. [Post edited 28 May 2017 14:44]
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:53 - May 28 with 916 views | Highjack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:38 - May 28 by Humpty |
Our foreign policy should change dramatically.
A few years ago Cameron wanted to bomb the Assad regime but he lost the vote for it. Now we are bombing the people who oppose Assad. When you're itching to bomb someone but aren't too bothered about which side to attack, something's f*cked up.
Only a few weeks ago our Foreign Secretary said it would be it would be very difficult for us to say no if the US wanted us to attack Assad.
I don't want Donald f*cking Trump to be in charge of our armed forces. [Post edited 28 May 2017 16:46]
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Oh absolutely our foreign policy is a complete and utter cluster f uck and it needs to change but if we are gonna switch away from supporting Israel and start buddying up to Hamas and hezbollah the country needs to know so it can make an informed vote so it's absolutely right for the press to grill him on this given his quotes and company from the past. | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:55 - May 28 with 912 views | Highjack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:44 - May 28 by JackTheLad |
There are no words for people like you who buy into this rubbish. Shafted by the mainstream media. Actually, brain-dead, that encapsulates it. [Post edited 28 May 2017 14:44]
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Fortunately there is a word for people like you. It's c unt. | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:59 - May 28 with 903 views | JackTheLad |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:55 - May 28 by Highjack |
Fortunately there is a word for people like you. It's c unt. |
The type of reaction I expected.  | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 15:00 - May 28 with 900 views | JackTheLad |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:53 - May 28 by Highjack |
Oh absolutely our foreign policy is a complete and utter cluster f uck and it needs to change but if we are gonna switch away from supporting Israel and start buddying up to Hamas and hezbollah the country needs to know so it can make an informed vote so it's absolutely right for the press to grill him on this given his quotes and company from the past. |
A supporter of Israel and Saudi? Hang your head in shame | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 15:00 - May 28 with 899 views | Humpty |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 13:28 - May 28 by TheResurrection |
But you've no idea if that's true so it becomes almost immaterial. We can't allow ourselves to swallow up what is clearly a smear campaign and yes, I know you said it was an ex Labour MP who said that but that doesn't make it any more legitimate. |
It is true. Winston has provided evidence above. And google confirms it. No British MP should have done so.
Also he opposed the Good Friday agreement.
Jeremy Corbyn supported Sinn Fein/IRA.
It's not a smear. | | | |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 15:01 - May 28 with 894 views | Highjack |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 15:00 - May 28 by JackTheLad |
A supporter of Israel and Saudi? Hang your head in shame |
What on Earth are you wibbling on about? | |
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| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 15:06 - May 28 with 883 views | Humpty |
| The Adams,McDonnell Corbyn photo on 14:53 - May 28 by Highjack |
Oh absolutely our foreign policy is a complete and utter cluster f uck and it needs to change but if we are gonna switch away from supporting Israel and start buddying up to Hamas and hezbollah the country needs to know so it can make an informed vote so it's absolutely right for the press to grill him on this given his quotes and company from the past. |
I don't want to cozy up to Hamas or Hezbollah but I'd drop support for Israel tomorrow.
I agree with the rest. | | | |
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