| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry 08:35 - Dec 9 with 4419 views | hubble |
Apologies if this is a Spackman, but I can't see any reference on LFW to the fan sites meeting with Nourry that took place on the 4th December. I would have thought someone from this site would have been present?
Anyway, the only report I am aware of is on RFI, which includes a recording of the meeting. I hope you don't mind me posting a link to it here, Clive, but I think people would be interested in listening.
https://rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/4170/fan-sites-christian-nourry-04 [Post edited 9 Dec 8:36]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 09:13 - Dec 9 with 3021 views | Jeff |
Hi Hubble,
I was there on behalf of Clive last week - We / Clive likes to have a written transcript available for reading as opposed to just the audio, and with the meeting late on Thursday and then with the game on Saturday and associated preview/reports / etc. around that it's taken a while to get the transcript properly transcribed / proof read /etc.
should be online shortly... |  |
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 09:48 - Dec 9 with 2851 views | Northernr |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 09:13 - Dec 9 by Jeff |
Hi Hubble,
I was there on behalf of Clive last week - We / Clive likes to have a written transcript available for reading as opposed to just the audio, and with the meeting late on Thursday and then with the game on Saturday and associated preview/reports / etc. around that it's taken a while to get the transcript properly transcribed / proof read /etc.
should be online shortly... |
It'll be online today, apols I've been buried in day job and three game weeks. |  | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:01 - Dec 9 with 2580 views | stainrods_elbow |
Where does this leave the 'evil Nourry' thesis proponents? Anyway, here's some counter-evidence. |  |
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:21 - Dec 9 with 2546 views | thehat |
Just had some free time so listened to the Pod. I thought it was excellent from Christian. He made some great detailed responses to the questions.
If we had more communication like this then I'm sure a lot of the "fan noise" would go away. |  | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:30 - Dec 9 with 2484 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:01 - Dec 9 by stainrods_elbow |
Where does this leave the 'evil Nourry' thesis proponents? Anyway, here's some counter-evidence. |
He's a great CEO because he spoke to some media?
No one has called him evil. Plenty of his critics including me accept he's done some good work. |  | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:32 - Dec 9 with 2467 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:21 - Dec 9 by thehat |
Just had some free time so listened to the Pod. I thought it was excellent from Christian. He made some great detailed responses to the questions.
If we had more communication like this then I'm sure a lot of the "fan noise" would go away. |
The criticism from me comes from incidents that he can't or won't talk about.
Admittedly, there are probably legal reasons that he can't say things, but that doesn't mean it's not convenient for him. | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:13 - Dec 9 with 2337 views | KensalT |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:32 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The criticism from me comes from incidents that he can't or won't talk about.
Admittedly, there are probably legal reasons that he can't say things, but that doesn't mean it's not convenient for him. |
I'm not convinced about the legal reasons for needing omerta about Furlong departing.
The way WLS reported it made it sound like a redundancy.
Businesses announce redundancies all the time. It's not nice for those made redundant but there's no stigma attached to it as there's no question of wrong-doing or disloyalty from either party! [Post edited 9 Dec 12:15]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:18 - Dec 9 with 2310 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:13 - Dec 9 by KensalT |
I'm not convinced about the legal reasons for needing omerta about Furlong departing.
The way WLS reported it made it sound like a redundancy.
Businesses announce redundancies all the time. It's not nice for those made redundant but there's no stigma attached to it as there's no question of wrong-doing or disloyalty from either party! [Post edited 9 Dec 12:15]
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Redundancy is the process rather the reason I suspect. | | | |
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:41 - Dec 9 with 2215 views | KensalT |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:18 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Redundancy is the process rather the reason I suspect. |
No. For employment purposes redundancy means that your role (or part of it) no longer exists within the organisation:
https://www.acas.org.uk/redundancy
"Redundancy
Redundancy is a type of dismissal where a role is no longer needed.
Employers should consider other options to try and reduce or avoid redundancies. They must consult workers."
The WLS piece said:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/furlong-qpr-exit-confirmed
"Earlier this year, Rangers’ youngsters won the Premier League Cup under Furlong, beating Brentford in the final.
Since then there have been discussions about his future role, and changes to the development structure, with Anthony Hayes appointed as methodology manager, focusing on the Under-17 to Under-21 age groups.
And it has now been decided that Furlong will move on."
So to me that does read like a redundancy. In which case hiding behind confidentiality is being secretive simply because they can rather than because they need to be.
As I said in my earlier post there is no stigma around redundancy so there should be nothing to hide. | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:43 - Dec 9 with 2205 views | mikeyhg |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:21 - Dec 9 by thehat |
Just had some free time so listened to the Pod. I thought it was excellent from Christian. He made some great detailed responses to the questions.
If we had more communication like this then I'm sure a lot of the "fan noise" would go away. |
Where's the pod please? | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:55 - Dec 9 with 2090 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 11:30 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
He's a great CEO because he spoke to some media?
No one has called him evil. Plenty of his critics including me accept he's done some good work. |
'Evil' was tongue in cheek, in case that wasn't clear.
I was making the point that those who continue to attack him for being some kind of cloak and dagger neo-Stalinist should acknowledge communication efforts like this one, which he doesn't have to do, unless they want to have it both ways. | |
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:21 - Dec 9 with 2034 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:55 - Dec 9 by stainrods_elbow |
'Evil' was tongue in cheek, in case that wasn't clear.
I was making the point that those who continue to attack him for being some kind of cloak and dagger neo-Stalinist should acknowledge communication efforts like this one, which he doesn't have to do, unless they want to have it both ways. |
It's not some favour he has bestowed on us. As well as the opportunity to ask him questions he has the opportunity to feed us his lines. | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:28 - Dec 9 with 2011 views | daveB |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:18 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Redundancy is the process rather the reason I suspect. |
It would mean they couldn't hire someone in the same role going forward but in football you can probably get around that with a new job title |  | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:35 - Dec 9 with 1953 views | TheChef |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:28 - Dec 9 by daveB |
It would mean they couldn't hire someone in the same role going forward but in football you can probably get around that with a new job title |
And we have plenty of those! |  |
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:43 - Dec 9 with 1881 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:41 - Dec 9 by KensalT |
No. For employment purposes redundancy means that your role (or part of it) no longer exists within the organisation:
https://www.acas.org.uk/redundancy
"Redundancy
Redundancy is a type of dismissal where a role is no longer needed.
Employers should consider other options to try and reduce or avoid redundancies. They must consult workers."
The WLS piece said:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/furlong-qpr-exit-confirmed
"Earlier this year, Rangers’ youngsters won the Premier League Cup under Furlong, beating Brentford in the final.
Since then there have been discussions about his future role, and changes to the development structure, with Anthony Hayes appointed as methodology manager, focusing on the Under-17 to Under-21 age groups.
And it has now been decided that Furlong will move on."
So to me that does read like a redundancy. In which case hiding behind confidentiality is being secretive simply because they can rather than because they need to be.
As I said in my earlier post there is no stigma around redundancy so there should be nothing to hide. |
I think you misunderstood.
Lets say, for arguments sake, Paul Furlong had a row with Ben Williams and the relationship broke down to the point they couldn't work together.
Redundancy for Furlong might be a amicable way for everyone to save face. That would mean redundancy is the process but not the reason. This is what I mean.
Am I thinking the worst of people? Maybe, but I think there is just cause. | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:44 - Dec 9 with 1872 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:28 - Dec 9 by daveB |
It would mean they couldn't hire someone in the same role going forward but in football you can probably get around that with a new job title |
You could hand his duties to someone else in post, like Anthony Hayes. [Post edited 9 Dec 13:47]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 14:24 - Dec 9 with 1743 views | LongRanger |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:55 - Dec 9 by stainrods_elbow |
'Evil' was tongue in cheek, in case that wasn't clear.
I was making the point that those who continue to attack him for being some kind of cloak and dagger neo-Stalinist should acknowledge communication efforts like this one, which he doesn't have to do, unless they want to have it both ways. |
I'm always surprised how if the club starve the fans of information for long enough, when they occasionally offer crumbs, some fans welcome it like a banquet and think all is well in the world.
Nourry speaks when he wants to and sees an opportunity to polish his ego and PR profile. [Post edited 9 Dec 14:25]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:07 - Dec 9 with 1635 views | KensalT |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:43 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I think you misunderstood.
Lets say, for arguments sake, Paul Furlong had a row with Ben Williams and the relationship broke down to the point they couldn't work together.
Redundancy for Furlong might be a amicable way for everyone to save face. That would mean redundancy is the process but not the reason. This is what I mean.
Am I thinking the worst of people? Maybe, but I think there is just cause. |
We seem to be at cross purposes.
I think what you are suggesting is that Furlong wasn't really made redundant but all parties have allowed it to look that way to save face - which might make sense after all that anger and suspicion after Marti was put on gardening leave and then went to Leicester.
I was making a slightly different point that if Furlong's departure was a genuine redundancy then there was no need for secrecy because there is no stigma around redundancy.
Whichever way you slice it the club appears to have handled the departures of Marti and Furs very badly.
This seems to be a long-term problem with the club not being very good at saying goodbye to popular figures. It's a problem we have had since before Nourry arrived so it's not all on him but other clubs seem to do this better than us.
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:10 - Dec 9 with 1614 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:28 - Dec 9 by daveB |
It would mean they couldn't hire someone in the same role going forward but in football you can probably get around that with a new job title |
The process I've gone through in "proper" jobs is;
New job created, which combines two roles.
Affected roles placed into a pool and asked to interview for the the new role/s
Opportunity to take a voluntary redundancy
Interviews happen
Business selects who they want
Unsuccessful applicant invited to apply for any open positions that might fit, and then offered a settlement.
The settlement is normally a bit more than statutory redundancy, so that the employee will sign an NDA and forgo the right to appeal to an employment tribunal.
This probably explains why Furlong hasn't made too much comment about this and the note on the official site was perfunctory.
It's a common way for a business to manage someone out of a position you don't want them in, or realise some savings if you can combine roles. |  | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:25 - Dec 9 with 1547 views | sdm1508 |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 12:55 - Dec 9 by stainrods_elbow |
'Evil' was tongue in cheek, in case that wasn't clear.
I was making the point that those who continue to attack him for being some kind of cloak and dagger neo-Stalinist should acknowledge communication efforts like this one, which he doesn't have to do, unless they want to have it both ways. |
Yeah. We all know there are things that he has done that could be handled better but like you say, credit when it's due | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:52 - Dec 9 with 1437 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:07 - Dec 9 by KensalT |
We seem to be at cross purposes.
I think what you are suggesting is that Furlong wasn't really made redundant but all parties have allowed it to look that way to save face - which might make sense after all that anger and suspicion after Marti was put on gardening leave and then went to Leicester.
I was making a slightly different point that if Furlong's departure was a genuine redundancy then there was no need for secrecy because there is no stigma around redundancy.
Whichever way you slice it the club appears to have handled the departures of Marti and Furs very badly.
This seems to be a long-term problem with the club not being very good at saying goodbye to popular figures. It's a problem we have had since before Nourry arrived so it's not all on him but other clubs seem to do this better than us.
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To be honest the mechanics / admin of it isn't really what i'm worried about, although I do hope he's comfortable.
This is what i'd like to know
1) Did his departure follow a row with a senior staff member?
2) Is it true players and parents were given no notice and just turned up to find him gone?
3) Why did this take place right in the most disruptive period of the season rather than at the end?
4) Was it planned or in any way involved with a new directional strategy?
5) Did we have to pay him off with money that could have been spent elsewhere?
I'm not expecting an answer to these, these are just my musings on a football forum. | | | |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:54 - Dec 9 with 1397 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 13:21 - Dec 9 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It's not some favour he has bestowed on us. As well as the opportunity to ask him questions he has the opportunity to feed us his lines. |
QED! That's your lens, and I guess you're sticking (yourself) to it!
He doesn't have to speak to fan groups, actually - though it's a good thing, I certainly think, if he does. With attitudes like yours, though, if it was me, I probably wouldn't bother. If he kept mum, he'd be suspect; if he speaks, he's 'feeding us his lines'. Would you prefer we feed him ours?
The parts I listened to I found credible, articulate, and intelligent. I can see why he's risen so fast so soon.
In the meantime, as I've recently been told off for the heinous sin of a mite of self-contradiction, perhaps one or two others (who probably escape censure simply because they're not me) might like to commit to having their cake and not eating it to keep me company. [Post edited 9 Dec 16:00]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:59 - Dec 9 with 1371 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 14:24 - Dec 9 by LongRanger |
I'm always surprised how if the club starve the fans of information for long enough, when they occasionally offer crumbs, some fans welcome it like a banquet and think all is well in the world.
Nourry speaks when he wants to and sees an opportunity to polish his ego and PR profile. [Post edited 9 Dec 14:25]
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Mind-blowing! I go from being (for the usual suspects) the site's resident punchbag/ scapegoat, relentlessly negative, and some kind island of malice, to a happy-clapping, Stevie Wonder-esque fan drenched in Nourry's solar radiation in the twinkling of an eye - simply for not despising our CEO's interview. Make it up you could not!
Football message boards - you have to love 'em! If I took this place seriously, I'd have been committed an age ago. [Post edited 9 Dec 16:01]
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| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 16:02 - Dec 9 with 1385 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Fan sites meeting with Christian Nourry on 15:54 - Dec 9 by stainrods_elbow |
QED! That's your lens, and I guess you're sticking (yourself) to it!
He doesn't have to speak to fan groups, actually - though it's a good thing, I certainly think, if he does. With attitudes like yours, though, if it was me, I probably wouldn't bother. If he kept mum, he'd be suspect; if he speaks, he's 'feeding us his lines'. Would you prefer we feed him ours?
The parts I listened to I found credible, articulate, and intelligent. I can see why he's risen so fast so soon.
In the meantime, as I've recently been told off for the heinous sin of a mite of self-contradiction, perhaps one or two others (who probably escape censure simply because they're not me) might like to commit to having their cake and not eating it to keep me company. [Post edited 9 Dec 16:00]
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Would you prefer we feed him ours?
YES! | | | |
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