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COVID-19: England may face almost month-long lockdown in exchange for Christmas five-day rules relief
All parts of England would still be banned from socialising with other households
England could face nearly a month-long extra lockdown in exchange for five days' release from restrictions over Christmas, it has been suggested.
Dr Susan Hopkins, medical director of Test and Trace, indicated that for every day the rules are relaxed over the festive period, two more under harsher measures may be needed to crack down again on coronavirus.
Public Health England (PHE) later intervened to say Dr Hopkins "misspoke".
A spokesman said the government's advisory body, SAGE, actually indicated for every day of relaxation five days of tighter restrictions would potentially be needed.
The Sun reported that ministers are considering letting families choose a small number of households they can socialise indoors with for five days, starting on Christmas Eve.
If that happens, then the country would potentially have to endure 25 more days of restrictions - plus the cost of spreading COVID-19 to family members.
At a Downing Street briefing on Wednesday, Dr Hopkins revealed she hoped the government will "allow some mixing" of households over Christmas.
But she suggested this would come at the cost of tougher rules before and after 25 December, initially claiming that every day of relaxed measures would need to be counterbalanced with two days of restrictions.
Within a few hours, PHE said she misspoke and had actually meant to say that "for every one day of relaxation, *five* days of tighter restrictions would potentially be needed", according to modelling from the government's science advisers known as SAGE.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson's spokesman said he has a "clear intent to allow families to spend Christmas together", but stressed it will "not be a normal" one.
The plan being considered would mean no household mixing when national lockdown ends in England on 2 December, with all parts of the country under at least Tier 2 restrictions, according to The Daily Telegraph.
When asked about the plans by Kay Burley on Wednesday, Business Secretary Alok Sharma said it was too early to say exactly what the rules will be.
"Christmas is of course going to happen come what may. I would love to have members of my family round, but we just have to wait and see where we're at," he said.
The PM has repeatedly stated his intention to return England to a tier system when lockdown ends in two weeks, but Dr Hopkins said ministers are now working on "new tiers" after low level of restrictions proved ineffective.
An announcement is expected next week.
People in Wales have been strongly advised not to mix with people they don't live with indoors after its "circuit break" lockdown came to an end, with the same expected in Northern Ireland once theirs finishes this week.
In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announced on Tuesday that 11 local authority areas will be put under the country's toughest Level 4 measures from Friday until 11 December.
Her deputy John Swinney told Kay Burley on Wednesday the current rules will "enable us all to be able to proceed to enjoy and appreciate the connections we all want to have with family around Christmas time".
Reports that the first round of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines could be rolled out by mid-December has sparked hopes of a more "normal" Christmas, but a Downing Street spokesman told Sky News: "No decision has been made."
Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick confirmed on Tuesday that parliament will vote on what system is imposed in England beyond 2 December.
Analysis: Christmas freedom creates one hell of a lockdown hangover
By Rowland Manthorpe, technology correspondent
Boris Johnson famously likes to have his cake and eat it.
But a Christmas holiday during a pandemic is a situation where there are only hard choices with little room for flexibility.
On the one hand, if people move around and spend long periods of time with each other indoors, then cases will rise.
If that happens from a point where prevalence is already high, as it is now, then the effects on health and life could be very serious.
On the other hand, families around the country are determined to see each other over the holiday, and retailers who take most of their profits over the festive season are desperate to open their doors to customers.
The prime minister and his advisors will have hoped that a November lockdown was going to drive the outbreak down enough to create some breathing room during December.
While there are some signs that cases and hospital admissions are beginning to level off, they are still at a high level. There is little sign that safety is coming soon.
It is always possible to look back at decisions that could have been made differently.
What would have happened if the last big movement of people, students going to university, had been kept online? What would this choice be like if the government had introduced a circuit breaker lockdown over the October half term?
But looking forward, it is hard to see an obvious resolution.
Whatever the final decision is, it is clear that the way it is communicated matters.
Behavioural scientists have repeatedly warned that leaks and briefings about future plans are getting in the way of compliance. A decisive, clear intervention could make the best of this situation.
If not then it is quite possible that we could find ourselves back in lockdown as early as January.
Susan Hopkins' comments today suggest that a five-day Christmas would turn into a 25-day January lockdown.
That, by any standards, is one hell of a hangover.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-england-may-face-almost-month-long-lockdown-
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| Christmas with COVID on 12:14 - Nov 19 with 486 views | Imperial |
SIMPLE !!!!!!!
Delay get togethers until it is safe to do so .
Turkey will taste the same whenever eaten. | | | |
| Christmas with COVID on 12:46 - Nov 19 with 483 views | spudgun |
Yep, agree with that Imp. Sadly this year may have to be different.
The media preoccupation with Covid and Christmas is even more annoying than Christmas adverts in November... | | | |
| Christmas with COVID on 13:39 - Nov 19 with 479 views | spell_chekker |
Being nice to some of my in laws is a duty I perform in order to be a decent partner. That being so, I'm praying that lockdown continues over Christmas.
Please, just a quiet time, just this once. | |
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Christmas get-together plan backed by UK nations
The UK's four nations have backed plans to allow some household mixing "for a small number of days" over Christmas.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is due to unveil on Monday a tougher three-tiered system for England - to be introduced at the end of the current lockdown on 2 December.
The 10pm closing time for pubs and restaurants will also be relaxed.
Work to finalise the arrangements for a UK-wide approach to restrictions this Christmas is ongoing.
One option that was discussed in meetings this weekend was that three households could be allowed to meet up for up to five days, according to the BBC's deputy political editor Vicki Young.
Mr Johnson will detail the strengthened tiered system in a statement to the House of Commons on Monday, and every region of England will be told on Thursday which tier they will be put into after the lockdown ends.
Gyms and non-essential retail are expected to be allowed to re-open in all areas under the new plans.
Last orders in pubs and restaurants will remain at 10pm, but customers will have an extra hour to drink up.
The PM had also been hoping to announce arrangements for the Christmas period on Monday, but this has been delayed until at least Tuesday to allow the Scottish and Welsh cabinets to agree the plans.
The Cabinet Office said ministers from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland had endorsed a "shared objective of facilitating some limited additional household bubbling for a small number of days".
But they have emphasised that the public will be advised to "remain cautious", and that "wherever possible people should avoid travelling and minimise social contact".
Discussions are continuing - including about travel arrangements - but it is hoped agreement on the joint approach can be reached this week. The Scottish government said "no agreement has been reached".
In respect of Northern Ireland, ministers have also "recognised that people will want to see family and friends across the island of Ireland, and this is the subject of discussions with the Irish government", the Cabinet Office said.
More areas are set to be placed into the higher tiers in England after lockdown.
Some local measures will be the same as those in the previous three-tier system - which was in place in England until the current lockdown began - but some tiers will be strengthened, according to Downing Street.
Mr Johnson met with his Cabinet to sign off on the plans on Sunday.
There have been calls by a cross-party group of MPs and peers for the PM to guarantee that church services will go ahead this Christmas, as current lockdown restrictions forbid most religious services.
Meanwhile, the government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) is expected to publish research on Monday saying the previous tiered restrictions in England were not strong enough.
But 70 Tory MPs have said they will not back the proposals without evidence.
In a letter to the prime minister, the recently-formed Covid Recovery Group (CRG) said it cannot support a tiered approach unless it sees evidence measures "will save more lives than they cost".
MPs are expected to vote on the new tier system in the days before it comes into force.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55036797 | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 14:04 - Nov 23 with 462 views | spell_chekker |
Cynical opinion:-
Relaxing lockdown before Christmas so we can all spend shed loads in the shops. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 15:03 - Nov 23 with 457 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Done my Xmas shopping. Everything ordered, just the tree to put up next week.
Rules/guidance were always going to be relaxed over Xmas. My issue is that nowhere is there any advice for what people most at risk should do. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 15:22 - Nov 23 with 453 views | Imperial |
It's ok vaccine for all in the new year.
Deaths between now and then are less important than the economy.
Party and enjoy Christmas you may not be one of the unlucky ones. | | | |
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Three households can mix over Christmas in UK
Up to three households will be able to meet up during a five-day Christmas period of 23 to 27 December, leaders of the four UK nations have agreed.
People can mix in homes, places of worship and outdoor spaces, and travel restrictions will also be eased.
But existing rules on hospitality and venues will remain, and the "Christmas bubble" formed must be "exclusive".
The leaders urged people to "think carefully about what they do" to keep the risk of increased transmission low.
They added 2020 "cannot be a normal Christmas" but family and friends will be able to see each other in a "limited and cautious" way.
The measures will see travel restrictions across the four nations, and between tiers and levels, lifted to allow people to visit families in other parts of the UK.
Anyone travelling to or from Northern Ireland may travel on the 22 and 28 December, but otherwise travel to and from bubbles should be done between the 23 and 27.
People will not be able to get together with others from more than two other households, and once a bubble is formed, it must not be changed or be extended further.
The leaders of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland reached the agreement at a meeting on Tuesday afternoon.
In a joint statement, they said: "Even where it is within the rules, meeting with friends and family over Christmas will be a personal judgement for individuals to take, mindful of the risks to themselves and others, particularly those who are vulnerable.
"Before deciding to come together over the festive period we urge the consideration of alternative approaches such as the use of technology or meeting outside."
Published guidance for England gives further details of the rules:
People can continue to meet people outside their Christmas bubble outdoors according to the rules in the tier where they live
Children under the age of 18 whose parents do not live together may be part of both parents' Christmas bubbles
Existing support bubbles count as one household towards the three household limit
People are allowed to form a different Christmas bubble from the people they live with normally - they can choose to stay with different people for this period
If a care home resident is able to leave their home, they can form a bubble with one other household - but should not form a three-household bubble. However, visits out of care homes should only be considered for residents of working age because of the risks
Students are considered to be part of the household to which they have returned
'Be responsible'
In a video message from Downing Street, the prime minister described the agreement as "special, time-limited dispensation", saying: "This year means Christmas will be different."
Boris Johnson said people must make a "personal judgment" about the risk of who they form a bubble with or if they visit elderly relatives., adding: "Many of us are longing to spend time with family and friends... And yet we can't afford to throw caution to the wind."
Wales' First Minister Mark Drakeford said: "People will be allowed to do what the law will allow them to do, but this is not an instruction to travel, it's not an instruction to meet with other people. People should still use a sense of responsibility."
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon added: "The virus is not going to be taking Christmas off, so although we want to give a little bit of flexibility for Christmas we are still urging people to be very cautious and to use this flexibility responsibly and only if you think it is necessary."
Northern Ireland's First Minister Arlene Foster said she hoped people would have space to plan, adding: "We of course recognise how important Christmas time is for so many people... people will want to come together from the four parts of the UK to be together."
Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill urged people to "be responsible", saying while they wanted to mark Christmas after such a "desperate" year the relaxations would increase opportunities for the virus to spread.
She added it was hoped that an alignment with rules in the Irish Republic could be achieved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55064962 | |
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UK keeps Christmas rules but some advice changes
The four UK nations have "unanimously" agreed to keep relaxed Christmas Covid rules in place, the prime minister has said - but Scotland and Wales have strengthened their own guidance.
Eased rules will still be in place from 23 to 27 December, but leaders urged people to keep social contact low.
Boris Johnson said people must show "personal responsibility" and try to avoid contact with vulnerable people.
UK leaders had come under pressure to review the plan as infections rise.
Only two households are now advised to mix over the five-day period in Wales, with the nation beginning a fresh stay-at-home lockdown as soon as the Christmas relaxation period ends.
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said her "strong recommendation" was that people should spend Christmas "in your own home with your own household", and if they did mix with others they should not do so for the entire five-day period.
She added: "We will set out advice if you are living in any of the nations in one of the highest level of protection - which in England and London is tier three - then we don't think you should be travelling to other parts of the UK."
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said similar, tougher advice was expected to be announced for England later.
Mr Johnson said discussions between the four nations on Wednesday morning had resulted in "unanimous agreement" that the existing plan for Christmas should go ahead "because we don't want to criminalise people's long-made plans".
But he told the House of Commons everyone "should exercise extreme caution in the way we celebrate Christmas", adding it was "absolutely vital" that people show "a high degree of personal responsibility".
He urged people to be particularly careful when they come into contact with vulnerable people - and should avoid contact with elderly people "wherever possible".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55335236 | |
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Christmas rules tightened for England
The planned relaxation of Covid rules for Christmas has been scrapped for large parts of south-east England and cut to just Christmas Day for the rest of England.
From midnight, a new tier four will be introduced in areas including London, Kent, Essex and Bedfordshire.
For the rest of the country, the three household mixing limit has been cut from five days to just Christmas Day.
Those in tier four cannot mix indoors with anyone not from their household.
A stay-at-home order will be issued to residents in tier four, with those travelling to work or for education exempt.
Social mixing will be cut to meeting one person in an open public space.
Tier four restrictions will apply in all tier three areas in the South East, covering Kent, Buckinghamshire, Berkshire, Surrey (excluding Waverley), Gosport, Havant, Portsmouth, Rother and Hastings.
It will also apply in London (all 32 boroughs and the City of London) and the East of England (Bedford, Central Bedford, Milton Keynes, Luton, Peterborough, Hertfordshire, Essex (excluding Colchester, Uttlesford and Tendring).
In tier four areas, all non-essential retail will have to close, along with hairdressers, nail bars, indoor gyms and leisure facilities.
People will be advised not to travel into a tier four area.
The restrictions will last for two weeks, with the first review due on 30 December.
Political correspondent Nick Eardley said a tightening of restrictions was expected to be announced in some other parts of the UK too.
The decision follows information presented to Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the new variant of coronavirus, which has been identified and is known as VUI.
Announcing the new restrictions, Mr Johnson told a Downing Street briefing: "I know how disappointing this will be, but we have said throughout this pandemic that we must and we will be guided by the science.
"When the science changes, we must change our response. When the virus changes its methods of attack we must change our method of defence and as your prime minister I sincerely believe there is no alternative open to me."
Mr Johnson said the new restrictions were necessary because of the spread of a variant of coronavirus which was transmitting faster than the original.
He said analysis from New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) suggests the new variant could increase the R by 0.4 or more and although there is considerable uncertainty it may be up to 70% more transmissible then the old variant.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55379220 | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 15:43 - Dec 20 with 373 views | Imperial |
Every day the news gets worse.
I will not be surprised if there is a full lockdown for all before Christmas. | | | |
| Christmas with COVID on 18:50 - Dec 20 with 367 views | spell_chekker |
I can't keep up with it any longer.
Rules changing all the time.
I don't know whether I'm coming or going.
And anyway, I thought there was a vaccine now. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 19:38 - Dec 20 with 364 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
No one loves us, but we don't care....
Covid: Nations impose UK travel bans over new variant
European nations have begun to apply travel bans with the UK after it reported a more infectious and "out of control" coronavirus variant.
Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights and travel. The measures vary and are initially generally short-term.
An EU meeting will be held on Monday morning to discuss a more co-ordinated response.
The new variant has spread quickly in London and south-east England.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Saturday introduced a new tier four level of restrictions for those areas, scrapping a planned relaxation of rules over the Christmas period for millions of people.
op health officials said that there was no evidence the new variant was more deadly, or would react differently to vaccines, but it was proving to be up to 70% more transmissible.
Which countries have acted and how?
Within hours of the UK announcement on Saturday, the Netherlands said it would ban all passenger flights from the UK from 06:00 (05:00 GMT) on Sunday until 1 January.
Pending "greater clarity" on the situation in the UK, the Dutch government said that further "risk of the new virus strain being introduced to the Netherlands should be minimised as much as possible"
The country on Sunday reported a daily increase of more than 13,000 cases - a new record, despite tough lockdown measures being applied on 14 December.
Belgium is suspending flights and train arrivals from the UK from midnight on Sunday. Prime Minister Alexander De Croo told Belgian television channel VRT the ban would be in place for at least 24 hours as a "precautionary measure", adding "we will see later if we need additional measures".
Italy's Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio said on his Facebook page that the government was about to sign a measure to suspend flights from the UK.
The first case of the UK variant has also been detected in Italy, the Italian health ministry reported on Sunday. The patient is in isolation in Rome.
In Ireland, urgent talks were held on Sunday. In a statement afterwards, the government announced that flights arriving from the UK would be banned for 48 hours at least from midnight, and "in the interests of public health, people in Britain, regardless of nationality, should not travel to Ireland, by air or sea".
Ferry crossings for freight would continue.
In Germany, an order from the ministry of transport said planes from the UK would not be allowed to land after midnight on Sunday, although cargo would be an exception. Health Minister Jens Spahn said the UK variant had not yet been detected in Germany.
France has suspended all travel links with the UK for 48 hours from midnight. It said the period should be used to provide a co-ordinated European response.
Austria is also planning a ban on flights from the UK, with details currently being worked out, local media reported.
Bulgaria has suspended flights to and from the UK from midnight but, unlike the short-term measures in many other nations, its ban lasts until 31 January.
A European Council meeting will be held at 10:00 GMT on Monday on co-ordinating EU actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55385768 | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 22:26 - Dec 20 with 356 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Dover port halts exports to France for 48 hours
France will stop lorry movements from the UK for 48 hours in the wake of fresh concerns over the spread of a new strain of coronavirus in the UK.
The move means outbound traffic from Dover will stop.
Ministers and officials will discuss the move at the government's COBRA emergency committee on Monday.
Freight from France to the UK will be allowed, but there are fears lorry drivers will not travel to avoid being stuck in the UK.
The Port of Dover is closed to traffic leaving the UK "until further notice" due to border restrictions in France, port authorities said in a statement.
"Both accompanied freight and passenger customers are asked not to travel to the port," it said. "We understand that the restrictions will be in place for 48 hours from midnight."
Flight bans
"Tonight's suspension of accompanied freight traffic from the UK to France has the potential to cause serious disruption to UK Christmas fresh food supplies - and exports of UK food and drink," Food and Drink Federation (FDF) chief executive Ian Wright warned.
"Continental truckers will not want to travel here if they have a real fear of getting marooned.
"The Government must very urgently persuade the French government to exempt accompanied freight from its ban."
French transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbarisaid France was suspending all traffic from the UK from midnight for at least 48 hours.
A number of countries have banned or are considering stopping flights from the UK following the emergence of a new variant of coronavirus.
Ireland, Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium are all halting flights, and other nations are considering the move.
Trains to Belgium are also stopping.
Eurotunnel is suspending access to its Folkestone terminal from 22:00 GMT for traffic and freight heading to Calais in France.
Coronavirus cases in the UK have risen by 35,928 - nearly double the number recorded last Sunday, figures show.
Public Health England medical director Yvonne Doyle said the "sharp" rise in cases was of "serious concern".
It comes as Health Secretary Matt Hancock warned that a new variant of the virus was "getting out of control"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55389505 | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 12:49 - Dec 21 with 343 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
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| Christmas with COVID on 20:07 - Dec 21 with 336 views | spell_chekker |
What do you call it in the UK if someone has been in contact with a person who's subsequently been diagnosed with the coronavirus?
Whatever.
I had an appointment cancelled today because the person I was supposed to be meeting with had been in contact with someone who in turn had been in contact with a person who had contracted the corona virus.
Do you understand what I mean?
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| Christmas with COVID on 10:36 - Dec 22 with 331 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
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| Christmas with COVID on 11:10 - Dec 22 with 326 views | spell_chekker |
We have our meal on the evening of the 24th.
I'm not sure but there'll probably only be 3 of us. Me, wife, her daughter.
We've got some of her family visiting next week and for the New Year. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 13:34 - Dec 22 with 320 views | spudgun |
Young spud coming Christmas Day, but will eat in a separate room.
Will go for a walk and talk with him and the dogs if the weather is ok.
He has an NHS test kit with a couple of dozen instant tests, and he takes one of those before visiting. I don`t suppose they are 100% but they help.
The fact he is still playing football and training means we have to be careful.
No plans for the New Year... | | | |
| Christmas with COVID on 19:30 - Dec 22 with 314 views | spell_chekker |
It a bit grim with youngspud having to eat in a different room. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 20:17 - Dec 22 with 312 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
I hope the annual "Boxing Day Over Wyre peasant shoot" is still going ahead? | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 02:11 - Dec 28 with 288 views | spell_chekker |
Hoping the vaccin will kick in soon.
Infection and death rates are certainly not dropping. | |
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| Christmas with COVID on 09:56 - Dec 28 with 279 views | spudgun |
Peasants/pedants.
Somebody sent me this recently, amused me.
The room thing has to be done as young spud is working at the hospital over Xmas, spell.
As long as he`s getting fed he doesn`t mind...
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| Christmas with COVID on 11:11 - Dec 28 with 264 views | BringBackTheRedRoom |
Ahh, I was wondering about that as well Spud. Thought it was a bit harsh on him after a couple of mediocre performances.
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| Christmas with COVID on 04:44 - Dec 29 with 252 views | spell_chekker |
We've got lots of guests arriving today. They're coming down from Paris for a few days until after the New Year.
I got the shopping in for them yesterday. Ouch, that cost me an arm and a leg.
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