| Head Coach vs Manager 14:03 - Jan 5 with 950 views | Southamptonfan |
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So Man U have sacked their "Head Coach / Manager" after a break down in relationship with Jason Wilcox. So the manager dared to stand up to those above him and the result was getting the sack. Is this how it works in football now?
I have no interest in Man U, other than looking on as a neutral at how they keep failing for the size they are.
The ex manager said "I came here to be the manager of Manchester United, not to be the coach of Manchester United. That is clear,” he said on Sunday.
The link to Saints is clearly Wilcox and these people in the board room keep f@cking interfering and telling the manager what to do. I wonder how much this is going on at Saints, hence Eckert is just Head Coach. It's only people like Still and Eckert who accept this, hence never appointing anyone (with experience who knows better) who will argue.
What a shame that the days of having a manager, who ran the whole club seem to be disappearing. [Post edited 5 Jan 14:08]
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:16 - Jan 5 with 890 views | grumpy |
I see no point in Coaches /Managers who have no say in player recruitment or sales.
I know owners have to manage the finances but this has to take in consideration what’s best for the team and this has to be done with a Coaches opinions in mind. [Post edited 5 Jan 14:17]
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:29 - Jan 5 with 847 views | Southamptonfan |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:16 - Jan 5 by grumpy |
I see no point in Coaches /Managers who have no say in player recruitment or sales.
I know owners have to manage the finances but this has to take in consideration what’s best for the team and this has to be done with a Coaches opinions in mind. [Post edited 5 Jan 14:17]
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Totally agree. It's all about owners making money nowadays, and this influences which players are brought in. | |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:34 - Jan 5 with 826 views | kingslandstand1 |
Can you imagine Laurie Mac putting up with that? We'd never have got Keegan for instance back in the day for a start
He used his "management" skills to get the likes of those signings and he ran what was happening on the green stuff they play on and knew what he wanted. Clearly that doesn't happen now |  |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:55 - Jan 5 with 801 views | saintmark1976 |
As I posted this morning on Nicks report of yesterday’s shambles Southamptonfan.
In my opinion Southampton Football club as you and I have known and supported, simply doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s now just a Player Trading Business with subsidiary Hospitality outlets at St Mary’s.
It would take too much time, energy, commitment and money from our Owners and Sports Republic to return the club to The Premiership.Plus why should they bother when they are currently perfectly happy having achieved their objectives ? | |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:55 - Jan 5 with 799 views | BLEEDRED |
Hasn't TE already said in has no say in the buying and selling of players? Would not surprise me if the style of play is dictated from above!! | | | |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:59 - Jan 5 with 779 views | 1885_SFC |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:55 - Jan 5 by BLEEDRED |
Hasn't TE already said in has no say in the buying and selling of players? Would not surprise me if the style of play is dictated from above!! |
Yeah, he said the other day that he "trusts the owners when it comes to player recruitment".
Good luck on that then Eckert. You'll soon learn. |  |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 15:05 - Jan 5 with 772 views | grumpy |
It seems to me that it boils down to this Head Coach/Manager scenario.
A Manager manages the team,has a serious say in player sales and requirement.
A Head Coach has to make do with what hes given.
Guess what we have? | | | |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 15:17 - Jan 5 with 734 views | 1885_SFC |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 15:05 - Jan 5 by grumpy |
It seems to me that it boils down to this Head Coach/Manager scenario.
A Manager manages the team,has a serious say in player sales and requirement.
A Head Coach has to make do with what hes given.
Guess what we have? |
An arse-kissing 'Yes' man? | |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 16:36 - Jan 5 with 672 views | HytheFerrytales |
Sadly, as a head coach, Eckert has taken on the role of a ventriloquist's dummy.
His lips move but someone else is actually speaking. Many fans not familiar with the art of ventriloquism will say " that fookin dummy is talking shit". The devious ventriloquist reads the room, puts the dummy in his case and pulls out another one to continue the show.
This simple deception makes it very difficult to call out the people who are actually manufacturing said shit.
Amorim did call " bullshit" on his hierarchy and predictably now needs a new job. | | | |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 19:07 - Jan 5 with 592 views | GRIM |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:55 - Jan 5 by BLEEDRED |
Hasn't TE already said in has no say in the buying and selling of players? Would not surprise me if the style of play is dictated from above!! |
Makes you wonder who actually selects the team each week.
I'm convinced our coach whoever it is is told what players to use & also told which ones not to use.
Hence Ronnie Edwards not being involved, the club intend to sell him so he's no longer available for selection.
Must be so frustrating for a coach. | | | |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 19:12 - Jan 5 with 581 views | 1885_SFC |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 19:07 - Jan 5 by GRIM |
Makes you wonder who actually selects the team each week.
I'm convinced our coach whoever it is is told what players to use & also told which ones not to use.
Hence Ronnie Edwards not being involved, the club intend to sell him so he's no longer available for selection.
Must be so frustrating for a coach. |
Eckert was the U-21 manager and no doubt he would have liked to have added a youngster or two to the first team training/squad - seeing as he knows better than anyone their progress.
Sadly, he's had to play the likes of Aribo and Damion Downs to put them in the shop window in order to bring in the extra £££ for January - as per the SR way. | |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 23:55 - Jan 5 with 501 views | Southamptonfan |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:55 - Jan 5 by saintmark1976 |
As I posted this morning on Nicks report of yesterday’s shambles Southamptonfan.
In my opinion Southampton Football club as you and I have known and supported, simply doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s now just a Player Trading Business with subsidiary Hospitality outlets at St Mary’s.
It would take too much time, energy, commitment and money from our Owners and Sports Republic to return the club to The Premiership.Plus why should they bother when they are currently perfectly happy having achieved their objectives ? |
You're right saintmark1976, I don't recognise my club anymore. We used to be a family club, that fought against adversity, a club where the fans were valued. The players and directors used to chat to fans in the Dell car park, they mostly always gave their all for the shirt on the pitch. Players like Benali, Dodd, Le Tissier, managers like Mcmenemy, and Starcahan etc who were honest, sincere and real.
Now it's players and directors you can never speak to, a distant club owned by people who don't give a toss about the fans, entertainment on the pitch or the players even. They only care about making money and that's it. The players lnow what it's all about too, they sense the culture and gone are the days where loyalty had a place in their hearts. Football is not was it was in general too, with foreign owners telling managers how to play, who to buy etc.
I am not sure how this will end, other than disaster, but the demise of SFC and the future relegations to league one that I can see coming is so depressing. Either the owners will sell up, or they will wait until administration and the bitter end. [Post edited 5 Jan 23:57]
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 12:25 - Jan 6 with 330 views | 1885_SFC |
I see Chelsea have today appointed Liam Rosenior as their manager on a 6-year contract.
It will be interesting to see how he does at such a toxic and demanding club. I know we were looking at him before we appointed the PlayStation pillock, so it'll be interesting to see how he gets on. | |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 13:08 - Jan 6 with 301 views | SaintNick |
His job title was "Head Coach" & not manager, so how Amorim wasnt clear about what his role was i dont know.
Im not sure why Jason Wilcox is being linked to Saints as he presided over our promotion season as well as some good signings.
Head Coach and manager are just titles these days, the reality is that all clubs have a recruitment process that identifies potential targets and the manager gets involved at a later stage.
One post on this thread says that Lawrie McMenemy wouldn't have accepted this but that was 40-50 years ago, what McMenmy had to accept was that he would spent many an evening travelling the country to watch a player in action, because there were not great scouting systems in operation back then.
In fact as it went on McMenemy would set up a network of scouts to cover various regions so he would not have to do it all.
It's not just Eckert & Still who accept this, it is anyone who manages/head coaches a club, they all have systems in place and the manager has to adapt to that
There isn't one club in the World that could have a manager running the club in the way it happened 40 years ago.
Times have moved on, you wouldnt insist that Tonda Eckert drives a sponsored Vauxhall Viva because that what McMenemy drove in 1975 |  |
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:31 - Jan 6 with 256 views | Southamptonfan |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 13:08 - Jan 6 by SaintNick |
His job title was "Head Coach" & not manager, so how Amorim wasnt clear about what his role was i dont know.
Im not sure why Jason Wilcox is being linked to Saints as he presided over our promotion season as well as some good signings.
Head Coach and manager are just titles these days, the reality is that all clubs have a recruitment process that identifies potential targets and the manager gets involved at a later stage.
One post on this thread says that Lawrie McMenemy wouldn't have accepted this but that was 40-50 years ago, what McMenmy had to accept was that he would spent many an evening travelling the country to watch a player in action, because there were not great scouting systems in operation back then.
In fact as it went on McMenemy would set up a network of scouts to cover various regions so he would not have to do it all.
It's not just Eckert & Still who accept this, it is anyone who manages/head coaches a club, they all have systems in place and the manager has to adapt to that
There isn't one club in the World that could have a manager running the club in the way it happened 40 years ago.
Times have moved on, you wouldnt insist that Tonda Eckert drives a sponsored Vauxhall Viva because that what McMenemy drove in 1975 |
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"I always want to interfere in what the manager is doing"
Too many cooks and all that.
These modern ways, and Saints are full of it, are a load of data driven, complicated, confusing, flawed, possession stats nonsense.
Sorry Alex Ferguson, Gordon Strachan and many more managed without directors of football and data analysts interfering. What is the point of having the manager, if those above want to make the decisons?
Same reason Liam Rosenior has been appointed "head coach" at Chelsea, so that these above can make the decisions.
It's because there is so much MONEY in the game nowadays, the owners want more say, all for MONEY. [Post edited 6 Jan 15:01]
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| Head Coach vs Manager on 17:24 - Jan 6 with 193 views | GRIM |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 14:31 - Jan 6 by Southamptonfan |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo
"I always want to interfere in what the manager is doing"
Too many cooks and all that.
These modern ways, and Saints are full of it, are a load of data driven, complicated, confusing, flawed, possession stats nonsense.
Sorry Alex Ferguson, Gordon Strachan and many more managed without directors of football and data analysts interfering. What is the point of having the manager, if those above want to make the decisons?
Same reason Liam Rosenior has been appointed "head coach" at Chelsea, so that these above can make the decisions.
It's because there is so much MONEY in the game nowadays, the owners want more say, all for MONEY. [Post edited 6 Jan 15:01]
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It's common in Business.
It's called "MicroManagement:.
Meaning the top dogs don't trust their managers to manage.
So why appoint Managers ?. | | | |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 17:58 - Jan 6 with 166 views | Southamptonfan |
| Head Coach vs Manager on 17:24 - Jan 6 by GRIM |
It's common in Business.
It's called "MicroManagement:.
Meaning the top dogs don't trust their managers to manage.
So why appoint Managers ?. |
You're spot on there. Micromanagement is everwhere at the moment and it doesn't make for a happy environment at all. [Post edited 6 Jan 18:01]
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