| Corruption 23:17 - Jun 3 with 10396 views | DorsetIan |
House of Lords Appointments Committee recommends Peter Cruddas not be appointed to the Lords because he sold access to David Cameron at £250,000 a pop.
Boris Johnson appointed him anyway.
Three days after being appointed he donated £500,000 to Tory Party.
Do any of the Boris fans on here want to defend this? Or say that they don’t care?
Because I’m really not sure how the whole country was up in arms about MPs expenses in 2008 but something as bent as this goes unchecked. |  |
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| Corruption on 00:57 - Jun 4 with 3871 views | thissceptredsaint |
It's shocking, truly shocking, but I fear the spivs we have in power have managed to normalise this level of corruption.
People just except it and we get what we deserve |  | | |
| Corruption on 12:21 - Jun 4 with 3750 views | Chesham_Saint |
Hmm, money for honours....now Why does that ring a bell? 🤔
Ah, yes! 😲
Tony Blair...🤫 |  |
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| Corruption on 13:15 - Jun 4 with 3732 views | Bazza |
Cruddas successfully sued the Sunday Times for libel about the Cameron dosh.
Frankly anyone ready to pay £250,000 to meet Cameron need a psychiatrist.
The House of Lords though is totally not fit for purpose. The huge number of peers includes, amongst some experienced ex MPs working hard on legislation, a lot of failed LIb Dems (some never elected as MPs), a failed Green, Bishops (why?, their predecessors condemned Anne Boleyn, such a nice girl) and 90 odd hereditary nobs (still in the 21st century!)
Don't think one working class lad, self-made millionaire, will do the Lords any noticeable harm. Could keep Beefy company. | | | |
| Corruption on 14:42 - Jun 4 with 3706 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 13:15 - Jun 4 by Bazza |
Cruddas successfully sued the Sunday Times for libel about the Cameron dosh.
Frankly anyone ready to pay £250,000 to meet Cameron need a psychiatrist.
The House of Lords though is totally not fit for purpose. The huge number of peers includes, amongst some experienced ex MPs working hard on legislation, a lot of failed LIb Dems (some never elected as MPs), a failed Green, Bishops (why?, their predecessors condemned Anne Boleyn, such a nice girl) and 90 odd hereditary nobs (still in the 21st century!)
Don't think one working class lad, self-made millionaire, will do the Lords any noticeable harm. Could keep Beefy company. |
"However, in March 2015, an appeal court reduced the libel damages and made Cruddas repay £130,000 of the original £180,000 in damages, ruling that the Sunday Times's central allegation around "cash for access" had been borne out by the facts, while also ruling that a series of subsidiary allegations made in the same Sunday Times article were still false and defamatory."
He is example to 'working class lads' everywhere - just find half a million quid for the Tory Party and you too can become a Lord. | |
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| Corruption on 14:49 - Jun 4 with 3703 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 12:21 - Jun 4 by Chesham_Saint |
Hmm, money for honours....now Why does that ring a bell? 🤔
Ah, yes! 😲
Tony Blair...🤫 |
Precisely my point. In 2007/8, this sort of thing led to a police investigation over the selling of honours, the arrest of Lord Levy and serious damage to Blair's reputation. The loans involved had to be repaid and the decision to block by the House of Lords Committee stood.
Not quite the same response now. | |
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| Corruption on 16:32 - Jun 4 with 3655 views | dwayne_dibley |
they are all corrupt, but that is how the system works |  |
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| Corruption on 16:58 - Jun 4 with 3626 views | Bison |
| Corruption on 14:49 - Jun 4 by DorsetIan |
Precisely my point. In 2007/8, this sort of thing led to a police investigation over the selling of honours, the arrest of Lord Levy and serious damage to Blair's reputation. The loans involved had to be repaid and the decision to block by the House of Lords Committee stood.
Not quite the same response now. |
I have no idea what happened back then or even now but who created the response back then to get the investigation ? Surely Labour had a majority back then like the Tories have now so are you saying the the Tories kicked up more of a fuss back then than what labour are doing now ?
I'm really not sure who you are trying to blame for this lack of response |  |
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| Corruption on 17:20 - Jun 4 with 3623 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 16:58 - Jun 4 by Bison |
I have no idea what happened back then or even now but who created the response back then to get the investigation ? Surely Labour had a majority back then like the Tories have now so are you saying the the Tories kicked up more of a fuss back then than what labour are doing now ?
I'm really not sure who you are trying to blame for this lack of response |
At the time, the matter was referred to the Met Police following complaints by three individuals. The CPS did not prosecute because of the lack direct evidence of the quid pro quo.
The important point though is that the decision to block the appointment of the individuals by the House of Lords Committee was not simply overridden by PM at the time and the suggestion of corruption was taken seriously by everyone.
I am not trying to blame anyone particularly. It is early days as the donation has only just come to light, so we don't know yet what the fallout will be.
I was asking if anyone wanted to defend it or say that they didn't care.
It strikes me that we, as a country are allowing a general cynicism about 'how these things work' to make us far less rigorous about corruption.
It's boring but important stuff. Corruption is a huge inefficient drain on any economy and society. | |
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| Corruption on 18:22 - Jun 4 with 3602 views | Bazza |
| Corruption on 17:20 - Jun 4 by DorsetIan |
At the time, the matter was referred to the Met Police following complaints by three individuals. The CPS did not prosecute because of the lack direct evidence of the quid pro quo.
The important point though is that the decision to block the appointment of the individuals by the House of Lords Committee was not simply overridden by PM at the time and the suggestion of corruption was taken seriously by everyone.
I am not trying to blame anyone particularly. It is early days as the donation has only just come to light, so we don't know yet what the fallout will be.
I was asking if anyone wanted to defend it or say that they didn't care.
It strikes me that we, as a country are allowing a general cynicism about 'how these things work' to make us far less rigorous about corruption.
It's boring but important stuff. Corruption is a huge inefficient drain on any economy and society. |
You’re flogging a dead horse here. Crudas has been making donations to the Tory party for years, he’s worth £800m. He was previously the Tory treasurer.
Be good to have another business brain in the Lords. Better than ex hairdressers,tv presenters, hereditaries and Bishops, no? | | | |
| Corruption on 18:33 - Jun 4 with 3593 views | 1885_SFC |
| Corruption on 17:20 - Jun 4 by DorsetIan |
At the time, the matter was referred to the Met Police following complaints by three individuals. The CPS did not prosecute because of the lack direct evidence of the quid pro quo.
The important point though is that the decision to block the appointment of the individuals by the House of Lords Committee was not simply overridden by PM at the time and the suggestion of corruption was taken seriously by everyone.
I am not trying to blame anyone particularly. It is early days as the donation has only just come to light, so we don't know yet what the fallout will be.
I was asking if anyone wanted to defend it or say that they didn't care.
It strikes me that we, as a country are allowing a general cynicism about 'how these things work' to make us far less rigorous about corruption.
It's boring but important stuff. Corruption is a huge inefficient drain on any economy and society. |
Corruption goes hand in hand with politics. That's the case and always will be whether you're red or blue. The ordinary man in the street gave up caring a long time ago (I know I did). These days it's for the tabloids to expose such scandals and plaster all over their front pages - mainly to readers who ignore the front cover anyway and turn over to see who's the latest sad celeb going into the jungle, or what dress Holly Willoughby is wearing this Summer. |  |
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| Corruption on 22:27 - Jun 4 with 3524 views | Sadoldgit |
The majority of people who voted for Johnson, just like the people who voted for Trump, really do not care about any wrong doings that either of them are responsible for. Political integrity has certainly not been as low in my lifetime. |  | | |
| Corruption on 22:56 - Jun 4 with 3511 views | Bazza |
| Corruption on 22:27 - Jun 4 by Sadoldgit |
The majority of people who voted for Johnson, just like the people who voted for Trump, really do not care about any wrong doings that either of them are responsible for. Political integrity has certainly not been as low in my lifetime. |
Soggy ‘the majority ‘ eh, you’ve been busy talking to everyone
What has Trump got to do with UK politics? Would you compare Corbyn to Putin, no of course not.
I expect people care but these events are not on the scale as coronavirus. | | | |
| Corruption on 00:37 - Jun 5 with 3486 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 22:27 - Jun 4 by Sadoldgit |
The majority of people who voted for Johnson, just like the people who voted for Trump, really do not care about any wrong doings that either of them are responsible for. Political integrity has certainly not been as low in my lifetime. |
The question for me is can this trend be reversed. Because if not, long term, democracy is f*cked. A quaint idea that gained some traction In the 18th to 20th centuries but which people just got bored of and preferred instead to be ruled by thugs, celebrities and billionaires, who they let do whatever they fancied. | |
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| Corruption on 10:12 - Jun 5 with 3400 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 22:56 - Jun 4 by Bazza |
Soggy ‘the majority ‘ eh, you’ve been busy talking to everyone
What has Trump got to do with UK politics? Would you compare Corbyn to Putin, no of course not.
I expect people care but these events are not on the scale as coronavirus. |
I use the term “majority” because you don’t see any criticism of Johnson from his supporters no matter what he does. Quite the opposite in fact. As for him being like Teump, they are both similar characters and they both have unbending loyalty from their supporters.
Corbyn and Putin? Where are the similarities? Can’t see any myself. Does Corbyn send death squats abroad to assassinate dissidents? They seem completely dissimilar to me. Not sure how we can compare Russia to the Western world’s political systems? [Post edited 5 Jun 2021 10:15]
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| Corruption on 20:19 - Jun 24 with 3114 views | Ron11 |
| Corruption on 18:22 - Jun 4 by Bazza |
You’re flogging a dead horse here. Crudas has been making donations to the Tory party for years, he’s worth £800m. He was previously the Tory treasurer.
Be good to have another business brain in the Lords. Better than ex hairdressers,tv presenters, hereditaries and Bishops, no? |
And Bercow. | | | |
| Corruption on 06:40 - Jun 25 with 3038 views | City_boy |
| Corruption on 20:19 - Jun 24 by Ron11 |
And Bercow. |
I don't have much time for the unelected old boys club called the House of Lords and would be happy to see it abolished, if only to stop that snake Bercow being able to join. [Post edited 25 Jun 2021 6:40]
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| Corruption on 09:56 - Jun 25 with 2987 views | Ron11 |
| Corruption on 06:40 - Jun 25 by City_boy |
I don't have much time for the unelected old boys club called the House of Lords and would be happy to see it abolished, if only to stop that snake Bercow being able to join. [Post edited 25 Jun 2021 6:40]
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100% agree. | | | |
| Corruption on 09:57 - Jun 25 with 2987 views | Sadoldgit |
But it is ok for the Tories to fill it with their own snakes and cronies? | | | |
| Corruption on 10:11 - Jun 25 with 2985 views | Berber |
| Corruption on 09:57 - Jun 25 by Sadoldgit |
But it is ok for the Tories to fill it with their own snakes and cronies? |
If it is OK for Labour to do the same, not that it is likely to happen for some time I'd guess. An elected house would be better (possibly) but the US senate has some right crackpots and knobheads that get re-elected time after time. However, limiting it to 100 would be a good start. |  | | |
| Corruption on 10:45 - Jun 25 with 2981 views | Sadoldgit |
If there is a constitutional need for a House of Lords, which l’m not convinced that there is, then it should be a democratically elected chamber. Having a dig at ex Speaker Bercow is a bit rich given the number of people in there who have “bought” peerages. If the tradition is to give ex Speakers a peerage, then he should have a peerage. | | | |
| Corruption on 13:24 - Jun 25 with 2963 views | Berber |
| Corruption on 10:45 - Jun 25 by Sadoldgit |
If there is a constitutional need for a House of Lords, which l’m not convinced that there is, then it should be a democratically elected chamber. Having a dig at ex Speaker Bercow is a bit rich given the number of people in there who have “bought” peerages. If the tradition is to give ex Speakers a peerage, then he should have a peerage. |
Maybe Starmer could put him forward as one of his nominees? | | | |
| Corruption on 14:38 - Jun 25 with 2952 views | City_boy |
| Corruption on 13:24 - Jun 25 by Berber |
Maybe Starmer could put him forward as one of his nominees? |
Corbyn already tried to get Bercow a peerage and failed. | | | |
| Corruption on 16:36 - Jun 25 with 2941 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 14:38 - Jun 25 by City_boy |
Corbyn already tried to get Bercow a peerage and failed. |
Johnson is a nasty piece of work and doesn’t like to be crossed. Because Bercow gave him a hard time in the Commons over Brexit hell will freeze over before he lets him into the Lords. This despite it is common practice for ex Speakers to be given a peerage. | | | |
| Corruption on 17:04 - Jun 25 with 2936 views | kentsouthampton |
Corruption is Hancock awarding NHS contracts to the brother of the burd he's been shagging. |  | | |
| Corruption on 17:33 - Jun 25 with 2925 views | Bazza |
| Corruption on 16:36 - Jun 25 by Sadoldgit |
Johnson is a nasty piece of work and doesn’t like to be crossed. Because Bercow gave him a hard time in the Commons over Brexit hell will freeze over before he lets him into the Lords. This despite it is common practice for ex Speakers to be given a peerage. |
Bercow clearly took sides when in office and was not independent of political bias, he also has campaigned for a peerage. Both acts should disqualify him for peerage. Moreover he occupied a whole page spread in a Spanish newspaper when I was there on holiday really spoiling my day for a while, publicity seeking jerk! | | | |
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