| Club Accounts 12:42 - Feb 17 with 19095 views | wombat |
Due out oin the next few days i belive |  |
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| Club Accounts on 06:59 - Feb 23 with 1382 views | dmm |
If you haven't had enough of the numbers yet, here's a succinct summary by the Swiss Ramble: https://swissramble.substack.c |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 11:40 - Feb 23 with 1185 views | TK1 |
This is really good and clear-eyed.
Nourry will stand or fall by selling some of those players investments for much more than we bought them for. As will we. We need to see something out the door this summer, but really next summer is the one for him to sell a Burrell, Kone, Edwards or Madsen for three times as much as he paid at least. Could happen.
Also, next time we're singing "Sky TV is fcking sht" because we're on 12.30 or, Sunday week, we should perhaps pause to consider that without it, we'd have next to no revenue rise:
"QPR’s broadcasting income rose £2.5m (57%) from £9.3m to £11.8m, largely thanks to a steep increase in the central EFL distribution, up from £3.2m to £5.4m. In addition, the Premier League solidarity payment was a little higher at £5.3m."
This bit is never hugely reassuring, though.
"Audit Issue
The auditors (and indeed Lee Hoos) mentioned a material uncertainty in the accounts, as the club’s ability to continue as a going concern is dependent on the owner funding. This is not guaranteed, despite the presence of deeds of support signed by the shareholders.
Such a comment is clearly not ideal, as it’s relatively rare for an auditor to sound such a note of caution. However, it’s worth noting that quite a few other clubs in the Championship currently include a similar “material uncertainty” comment, so fans should not be overly alarmed." |  | | |
| Club Accounts on 11:48 - Feb 23 with 1147 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Club Accounts on 11:40 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
This is really good and clear-eyed.
Nourry will stand or fall by selling some of those players investments for much more than we bought them for. As will we. We need to see something out the door this summer, but really next summer is the one for him to sell a Burrell, Kone, Edwards or Madsen for three times as much as he paid at least. Could happen.
Also, next time we're singing "Sky TV is fcking sht" because we're on 12.30 or, Sunday week, we should perhaps pause to consider that without it, we'd have next to no revenue rise:
"QPR’s broadcasting income rose £2.5m (57%) from £9.3m to £11.8m, largely thanks to a steep increase in the central EFL distribution, up from £3.2m to £5.4m. In addition, the Premier League solidarity payment was a little higher at £5.3m."
This bit is never hugely reassuring, though.
"Audit Issue
The auditors (and indeed Lee Hoos) mentioned a material uncertainty in the accounts, as the club’s ability to continue as a going concern is dependent on the owner funding. This is not guaranteed, despite the presence of deeds of support signed by the shareholders.
Such a comment is clearly not ideal, as it’s relatively rare for an auditor to sound such a note of caution. However, it’s worth noting that quite a few other clubs in the Championship currently include a similar “material uncertainty” comment, so fans should not be overly alarmed." |
Without Sky would player transfer fees and wages be as high? Highly doubtful.
Got to sell this summer, but everyone knew this and what we have wanted the club to do. It's the only way out of purgatory of the Championship.
I reckon it'll be Madsen. £10 to £15m abroad. | |
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| Club Accounts on 12:03 - Feb 23 with 1087 views | bosh67 |
| Club Accounts on 11:48 - Feb 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Without Sky would player transfer fees and wages be as high? Highly doubtful.
Got to sell this summer, but everyone knew this and what we have wanted the club to do. It's the only way out of purgatory of the Championship.
I reckon it'll be Madsen. £10 to £15m abroad. |
Swiss Ramble's assessment is excellent, allowing idiots like me to get some handle on what's going on so thanks to him for that.
I agree we will have to sell this summer. My only issue would be Madsen. Obviously if a £10-15m offer comes in we can't ignore it. But... if this team are going to 'push on' for a play off place next season I'm not sure how we achieve that without Madsen. He's now a player you build a team around.
I think it would be far more comfortable in theory if players like Varane and Chair moved on perhaps to better things, but not sure their value is as high as it was, so I take your point that Madsen is the one it may have to be, given that he is head and shoulders the best player we have now. |  |
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| Club Accounts on 12:14 - Feb 23 with 1067 views | TK1 |
| Club Accounts on 11:48 - Feb 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Without Sky would player transfer fees and wages be as high? Highly doubtful.
Got to sell this summer, but everyone knew this and what we have wanted the club to do. It's the only way out of purgatory of the Championship.
I reckon it'll be Madsen. £10 to £15m abroad. |
If Sky Sports had not been invented, then no. We'd still be paying whatever inflation-adjusted wages and fees we were in 1991/92, when we were playing in front of 13k despite being the 11th best team in the country (and we were skint anyway!). I enjoyed it more in many ways, but it's gone.
That was 35 years ago. Now for whatever insane reason, Sky Sports believe showing matches on a Saturday lunch time, including Hull v QPR, and a bunch more in the week is worth paying £985m over five years. We rely on it, because football can't control its expenditure. That's not really Sky's fault.
Agree Madsen most likely. And a striker, probaly. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 12:19 - Feb 23 with 1059 views | TK1 |
| Club Accounts on 12:03 - Feb 23 by bosh67 |
Swiss Ramble's assessment is excellent, allowing idiots like me to get some handle on what's going on so thanks to him for that.
I agree we will have to sell this summer. My only issue would be Madsen. Obviously if a £10-15m offer comes in we can't ignore it. But... if this team are going to 'push on' for a play off place next season I'm not sure how we achieve that without Madsen. He's now a player you build a team around.
I think it would be far more comfortable in theory if players like Varane and Chair moved on perhaps to better things, but not sure their value is as high as it was, so I take your point that Madsen is the one it may have to be, given that he is head and shoulders the best player we have now. |
Nah, Brentford, Bournemouth showed you have to sell that player your fans want to build around every year. Then recruit again and reinvest. It's ballsy, it's risky, it's the only way. Have to trust the process. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 12:35 - Feb 23 with 1027 views | 7374Ranger |
| Club Accounts on 12:19 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Nah, Brentford, Bournemouth showed you have to sell that player your fans want to build around every year. Then recruit again and reinvest. It's ballsy, it's risky, it's the only way. Have to trust the process. |
Now that spearman has a call up to the Australian squad, maybe we can hope he impresses and gets in their World Cup squad. A good performance there and perhaps QPR will receive a decent bid to sell him. Well we can all dream. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 12:51 - Feb 23 with 999 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Club Accounts on 12:19 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Nah, Brentford, Bournemouth showed you have to sell that player your fans want to build around every year. Then recruit again and reinvest. It's ballsy, it's risky, it's the only way. Have to trust the process. |
I disagree. The player trading model isn't to sell your best asset and then recruit the replacement.
It should be one step before that. So, to use some examples.
Sell Varane, move Morgan into Varanes squad position, use that money to recruit the replacement for Morgan.
Its the only way to prevent constant fire fighting and panic buys.
Also, the "bidding war" for broadcast rights is insane. It broke, ITV Digital, Setanta and BT Sports. The numbers going out do not match those coming in, mental.
The only way I see it changing is if the UK Blackout law changes for the 3pm KO and it becomes feasible for someone (or even the clubs themselves) to stream their own content.
As long as the price point was good you could move people off fire sticks and SKY to get that revenue straight into club accounts.
Its already started with Premier League Productions setting up on their own ready for the next season and a global channel there. Its not a lot of extra work to make a new outlet for the UK if the law is changed. |  | | |
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| Club Accounts on 13:01 - Feb 23 with 963 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Club Accounts on 12:19 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Nah, Brentford, Bournemouth showed you have to sell that player your fans want to build around every year. Then recruit again and reinvest. It's ballsy, it's risky, it's the only way. Have to trust the process. |
Yep. Sell your best player, then reinvest in 2 or 3 and start the cycle again.
I'll be gutted if/when Madsen is sold as I think he is great to watch and the one player with that bit of real quality about him, but if we can then buy 3 CMs that can actually pass then I'll be equally delighted.
If we could sell Madsen, Varane and Field this summer then that would be a good start. | |
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| Club Accounts on 13:41 - Feb 23 with 879 views | dmm |
| Club Accounts on 13:01 - Feb 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yep. Sell your best player, then reinvest in 2 or 3 and start the cycle again.
I'll be gutted if/when Madsen is sold as I think he is great to watch and the one player with that bit of real quality about him, but if we can then buy 3 CMs that can actually pass then I'll be equally delighted.
If we could sell Madsen, Varane and Field this summer then that would be a good start. |
Isn't the problem for us that we need to sell to stop breaking FFP? If so, we wouldn't be able to reinvest in players. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 14:25 - Feb 23 with 815 views | TK1 |
| Club Accounts on 13:41 - Feb 23 by dmm |
Isn't the problem for us that we need to sell to stop breaking FFP? If so, we wouldn't be able to reinvest in players. |
Yeah, you do. Let's say in dreamworld you sell Madsen for £15m, you buy three midfielders for £5-10m, bank the remainder, rinse and repeat.
I'd say we're ten years behind Brentford. So, Brentford 2015/16:
Having just finished 5th, they didn't consolidate as their fans surely demanded. Instead they sold all their best players for big profits:
Stuart Douglas £1.3m
Moses Odubajo £3.5m
Andre Gray £9m
James Tarkowski £3
Of that £17m incoming, they only spent £6m and banked the rest. They weren't ready. They came 9th but knew it was worth it as all those players had defects that would stop Brentford reaching promotion with them - injuries, attitude or an ambition to leave - and they got top money for them
The next season, they sold their best player - Scott Hogan - for £10m, because they knew they were signing Neal Maupay for £1.8m, Ollie Watkins for £1.8 and Marcus Forss for free in his position the following summer. Within two years, Maupay was sold for £20m, within three Watkins went for £28m and even Forss who suffered bad injuries went for £3m. And who ever really heard of Hogan after that? Ivan Toney then replaced those unreplaceable strikers...
This is how you do it. You sell your best player for as much as possible because you have a replacement in mind at a fraction.
Obviously helps if you have a top-secret, best-in-practice data recruitment system in place. We do not have that. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 15:09 - Feb 23 with 707 views | KensalT |
| Club Accounts on 14:25 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Yeah, you do. Let's say in dreamworld you sell Madsen for £15m, you buy three midfielders for £5-10m, bank the remainder, rinse and repeat.
I'd say we're ten years behind Brentford. So, Brentford 2015/16:
Having just finished 5th, they didn't consolidate as their fans surely demanded. Instead they sold all their best players for big profits:
Stuart Douglas £1.3m
Moses Odubajo £3.5m
Andre Gray £9m
James Tarkowski £3
Of that £17m incoming, they only spent £6m and banked the rest. They weren't ready. They came 9th but knew it was worth it as all those players had defects that would stop Brentford reaching promotion with them - injuries, attitude or an ambition to leave - and they got top money for them
The next season, they sold their best player - Scott Hogan - for £10m, because they knew they were signing Neal Maupay for £1.8m, Ollie Watkins for £1.8 and Marcus Forss for free in his position the following summer. Within two years, Maupay was sold for £20m, within three Watkins went for £28m and even Forss who suffered bad injuries went for £3m. And who ever really heard of Hogan after that? Ivan Toney then replaced those unreplaceable strikers...
This is how you do it. You sell your best player for as much as possible because you have a replacement in mind at a fraction.
Obviously helps if you have a top-secret, best-in-practice data recruitment system in place. We do not have that. |
Agree with that.
But it's a tough process because the players the club can sell for big money are the ones the fans don't want to lose.
So it requires patience and a lot of trust from the fans.
You also need to factor in any sell on clauses we promised to the clubs we signed the Madsen's, Ronnie's, Burrell's etc from. That's going to take a big bite out of any funds we have for reinvestment in the squad. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 15:37 - Feb 23 with 666 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Club Accounts on 14:25 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Yeah, you do. Let's say in dreamworld you sell Madsen for £15m, you buy three midfielders for £5-10m, bank the remainder, rinse and repeat.
I'd say we're ten years behind Brentford. So, Brentford 2015/16:
Having just finished 5th, they didn't consolidate as their fans surely demanded. Instead they sold all their best players for big profits:
Stuart Douglas £1.3m
Moses Odubajo £3.5m
Andre Gray £9m
James Tarkowski £3
Of that £17m incoming, they only spent £6m and banked the rest. They weren't ready. They came 9th but knew it was worth it as all those players had defects that would stop Brentford reaching promotion with them - injuries, attitude or an ambition to leave - and they got top money for them
The next season, they sold their best player - Scott Hogan - for £10m, because they knew they were signing Neal Maupay for £1.8m, Ollie Watkins for £1.8 and Marcus Forss for free in his position the following summer. Within two years, Maupay was sold for £20m, within three Watkins went for £28m and even Forss who suffered bad injuries went for £3m. And who ever really heard of Hogan after that? Ivan Toney then replaced those unreplaceable strikers...
This is how you do it. You sell your best player for as much as possible because you have a replacement in mind at a fraction.
Obviously helps if you have a top-secret, best-in-practice data recruitment system in place. We do not have that. |
I just checked to see what the age of their current squad is, and if the conveyor belt has slowed post Mbeuno or Toney.
I think they are still doing ok, by the looks of it from the outside... | | | |
| Club Accounts on 16:08 - Feb 23 with 614 views | TK1 |
| Club Accounts on 15:37 - Feb 23 by nick_hammersmith |
I just checked to see what the age of their current squad is, and if the conveyor belt has slowed post Mbeuno or Toney.
I think they are still doing ok, by the looks of it from the outside... |
Yeah, being 7th in the PL probably means the model is doing OK for them.
Van de Berg (24), HIckey (23), Schade (24), Thiago (24), Yarmolyuk (21), Ouattara (24,), Lewis-Potter (24)...these are their mainstays and currently best players. All under 25.
They bought Yarmolyuk for £1.6m: could probably sell him three years later for £30m. So annoying.
You have to start somewhere and Madsen, followed by Kone, is probably where we have to start this summer. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 20:59 - Feb 23 with 404 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Club Accounts on 16:08 - Feb 23 by TK1 |
Yeah, being 7th in the PL probably means the model is doing OK for them.
Van de Berg (24), HIckey (23), Schade (24), Thiago (24), Yarmolyuk (21), Ouattara (24,), Lewis-Potter (24)...these are their mainstays and currently best players. All under 25.
They bought Yarmolyuk for £1.6m: could probably sell him three years later for £30m. So annoying.
You have to start somewhere and Madsen, followed by Kone, is probably where we have to start this summer. |
never felt any hate for Brentford, or Fulham to be fair. I'd rather see a smaller club do well than watch, Man City, Utd, Chelsea or Newcastle just buy their way out of trouble.
What Brentford are doing is actually helping the game develop.
I think the key is (luxury at the moment) sell when the time is right, but only when you already have the replacement (or at least is lined up).
I have faith this method can work, especially if we chuck in a new Cat 1 system that allows us to grab youngsters from further afield and demonstrate a clear pathway to the first team and maybe the Premier League beyond that.
I'd imagine Eze features heavily on the videos shown to parents at the moment. | | | |
| Club Accounts on 08:17 - Feb 24 with 234 views | SW_Ranger |
| Club Accounts on 10:26 - Feb 20 by PlanetHonneywood |
These fit as fiddles football weak Aussies could really do with pushing on!
Still think given our financial situation and questionable fitness and medico-rehab set-up, looking closer to home for gems to polish up who, at the very least, are capable of regularly putting a shift in without snapping, would serve us better.
I'd wager our chances of finding another Eze will be more successful scouting boys playing on Hackney Marshes than among the boys from Binjiwunyawunya (if you know, you know!). |
After Saturday just seen a job post on HQ for “Chief Scout” in Binjiwunyawunya. First priorities are creative midfielders and strikers aged 20-23.
All good. We’re moving forward on ‘the plan’  |  | | |
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