| Barton Going ? 01:57 - May 27 with 5108 views | Pommyhoop |
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/322789/Mark-Hughes-has-final-say-on-Joey-Bar
If the 12 months thing is true surely we will get rid.
MARK HUGHES holds the key to whether Joey Barton is booted out of QPR — and possibly England — without a penny.
The QPR boss will be asked if he wants to keep the problem player, who has been banned for 12 games and fined £75,000 after being sent off at Manchester City on the last day of the Premier League season.
If Hughes gives the thumbs down, Barton faces being shown the exit from Loftus Road after an internal inquiry. A decision is unlikely before next month, even though the club’s wealthy backers are believed to be disgusted by the disgraced star’s conduct.
Under current legislation, Barton, 29, who joined the club on a free transfer from Newcastle last August, is unlikely to be able to claim any compensation if dismissed — or anything else for that matter.
As it stands, the law affords him no legal rights to sue QPR for unfair dismissal because he hasn’t been employed by the club for 12 months. New rules have also increased that qualifying period to two years.
All this means that Barton, who signed a lucrative contract believed to be worth about £11million, would face a massive legal fight to find some technical loophole to salvage anything — if QPR decide to fire him.
It means the maverick midfielder, who joined QPR after a public fallout with the Tyneside club, faces being cast into football’s wilderness.
It is possible that British clubs may not risk signing a player with such a disastrous disciplinary record, one who the former England manager Fabio Capello described as “too dangerous” to consider for national team selection.
That would leave the seemingly unrepentant Barton, who turns 30 in September, with little option but to try his luck abroad.
His most likely destination would be Qatar, where his record would give him some novelty value — even if only for a short period.
Queens Park Rangers confirmed that a full internal inquiry into Barton’s sending-off and subsequent incidents at Manchester City is under way.
The QPR midfielder will not appeal against the decision by an independent regulatory commission last Wednesday to suspend him for an extra eight games on top of the automatic four-match ban.
Barton and his team are fully co-operating with the club in their internal investigation, which is expected to last for at least two weeks.
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| Barton Going ? on 02:16 - May 27 with 3990 views | Nov77 |
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/253482/West-Ham-s-Joey-Barton-bid/?
WEST HAM are ready to offer disgraced Joey Barton an Âescape route out of Queens Park Rangers.
The Loftus Road skipper was slapped with a 12-match ban and a £75,000 fine by the FA last week Âfollowing his red-card show at ÂManchester City on the final day of the season.
After being sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez, Barton kneed Sergio Aguero in the back before trying to headbutt Vincent Kompany.
As a result, QPR, who are holding an internal investigation into the shocking scenes, have decided they must get shot of their wayward Âmidfielder.
They are even prepared to pay up a significant slice of the three years left on his £80,000-a-week contract in order to shove him out of the door.
And the good news for Mark ÂHughes’ men is that newly-promoted West Ham are keen to take Barton, 29, to Upton Park as they prepare for life back in the top flight.
Hammers boss Sam Allardyce has always admired one-time England Âinternational Barton.
When he was in charge at Newcastle, Big Sam signed him from Manchester City for £5.8million.
Most believe Barton is not worth the aggravation or money but ÂAllardyce remains convinced he can handle one of football’s most Âcontroversial characters and get the best out of him.
Yet history Âsuggests the east Londoners, who would hand ÂBarton a two-year contract worth £40,000-a-week, will be taking a massive gamble — even if he is a free transfer.
For no matter where he has played down the years, Barton’s Âcareer has been littered with Âunsavoury Âmoments.
At Man City, the Merseysider was involved in a string of off-the-field clashes with his team-mates, which included stubbing out a cigar in a youth team player’s eye.
But it was during his time at ÂNewcastle that ÂBarton hit rock- Âbottom. He was Âsentenced to six months in jail in May 2008 after pleading guilty to an assault in Liverpool city Âcentre the previous Christmas.
That crime list, however, does not appear to worry Allardyce, who is desperate to boost his squad Âfollowing last weekend’s play-off final win over Blackpool.
Hughes has Âalready begun his Âoverhaul of QPR by axing eight Âplayers.
Peter Ramage, Danny ÂGabbidon, Danny Shittu, Fitz Hall, Lee Cook, Gary Borrowdale, Rowan Vine and Patrick Agyemang have not been offered new terms.
Hughes will Ârebuild his side after they avoided relegation on the final day of the season after Bolton lost.
He vowed then: “No team of mine will be in this position again.”
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| Barton Going ? on 02:31 - May 27 with 3965 views | Pommyhoop |
| Barton Going ? on 02:16 - May 27 by Nov77 |
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/253482/West-Ham-s-Joey-Barton-bid/?
WEST HAM are ready to offer disgraced Joey Barton an Âescape route out of Queens Park Rangers.
The Loftus Road skipper was slapped with a 12-match ban and a £75,000 fine by the FA last week Âfollowing his red-card show at ÂManchester City on the final day of the season.
After being sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez, Barton kneed Sergio Aguero in the back before trying to headbutt Vincent Kompany.
As a result, QPR, who are holding an internal investigation into the shocking scenes, have decided they must get shot of their wayward Âmidfielder.
They are even prepared to pay up a significant slice of the three years left on his £80,000-a-week contract in order to shove him out of the door.
And the good news for Mark ÂHughes’ men is that newly-promoted West Ham are keen to take Barton, 29, to Upton Park as they prepare for life back in the top flight.
Hammers boss Sam Allardyce has always admired one-time England Âinternational Barton.
When he was in charge at Newcastle, Big Sam signed him from Manchester City for £5.8million.
Most believe Barton is not worth the aggravation or money but ÂAllardyce remains convinced he can handle one of football’s most Âcontroversial characters and get the best out of him.
Yet history Âsuggests the east Londoners, who would hand ÂBarton a two-year contract worth £40,000-a-week, will be taking a massive gamble — even if he is a free transfer.
For no matter where he has played down the years, Barton’s Âcareer has been littered with Âunsavoury Âmoments.
At Man City, the Merseysider was involved in a string of off-the-field clashes with his team-mates, which included stubbing out a cigar in a youth team player’s eye.
But it was during his time at ÂNewcastle that ÂBarton hit rock- Âbottom. He was Âsentenced to six months in jail in May 2008 after pleading guilty to an assault in Liverpool city Âcentre the previous Christmas.
That crime list, however, does not appear to worry Allardyce, who is desperate to boost his squad Âfollowing last weekend’s play-off final win over Blackpool.
Hughes has Âalready begun his Âoverhaul of QPR by axing eight Âplayers.
Peter Ramage, Danny ÂGabbidon, Danny Shittu, Fitz Hall, Lee Cook, Gary Borrowdale, Rowan Vine and Patrick Agyemang have not been offered new terms.
Hughes will Ârebuild his side after they avoided relegation on the final day of the season after Bolton lost.
He vowed then: “No team of mine will be in this position again.”
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F*** paying half his wages. This 12 month thing means we can sack him and the Spammers can pay the lot .
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| Barton Going ? on 08:39 - May 27 with 3760 views | W6Hoop |
Sadly this is bolloxs and only half the story - on unfair dismissal they are right but Joey would probably still be able to bring a claim for breach of contract depending on the terms of the contract he has. We'd potentially be able to terminate for gross misconduct but I'd bet every penny I have that we'll end up having to pay much of the contract up if we want rid. |  | | |
| Barton Going ? on 09:09 - May 27 with 3692 views | pomanjou |
| Barton Going ? on 08:39 - May 27 by W6Hoop |
Sadly this is bolloxs and only half the story - on unfair dismissal they are right but Joey would probably still be able to bring a claim for breach of contract depending on the terms of the contract he has. We'd potentially be able to terminate for gross misconduct but I'd bet every penny I have that we'll end up having to pay much of the contract up if we want rid. |
You are right.........."Barton, 29, who joined the club on a free transfer from Newcastle last August, is unlikely to be able to claim any compensation if dismissed — or anything else for that matter." Absolute racing certainty that we would have to stump up a handsome amount to purge ourselves of him.
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| Barton Going ? on 09:29 - May 27 with 3660 views | Pommyhoop |
| Barton Going ? on 08:39 - May 27 by W6Hoop |
Sadly this is bolloxs and only half the story - on unfair dismissal they are right but Joey would probably still be able to bring a claim for breach of contract depending on the terms of the contract he has. We'd potentially be able to terminate for gross misconduct but I'd bet every penny I have that we'll end up having to pay much of the contract up if we want rid. |
Ok cheers for that.
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| Barton Going ? on 10:02 - May 27 with 3580 views | Jamie |
| Barton Going ? on 08:39 - May 27 by W6Hoop |
Sadly this is bolloxs and only half the story - on unfair dismissal they are right but Joey would probably still be able to bring a claim for breach of contract depending on the terms of the contract he has. We'd potentially be able to terminate for gross misconduct but I'd bet every penny I have that we'll end up having to pay much of the contract up if we want rid. |
We have an incredibly good case should we sack him for gross misconduct. And Barton knows it. | | | |
| Barton Going ? on 18:52 - May 27 with 3280 views | winkerhayes |
As from the 6th of April this year you have to have been employed by your employer for a minimum period of 24 months to be able to lodge a claim for unfair dismissal. | | | |
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| Barton Going ? on 18:58 - May 27 with 3263 views | Mattnme |
Normal rules don't apply to footballers don't you know  |  | | |
| Barton Going ? on 19:37 - May 27 with 3204 views | winkerhayes |
| Barton Going ? on 18:58 - May 27 by Mattnme |
Normal rules don't apply to footballers don't you know |
lol very true but in this case if he decided to lodge a case for tribunal it would be thrown out due to the recent changes in legislation. | | | |
| Barton Going ? on 20:31 - May 27 with 3077 views | highleverhoopL |
| Barton Going ? on 18:52 - May 27 by winkerhayes |
As from the 6th of April this year you have to have been employed by your employer for a minimum period of 24 months to be able to lodge a claim for unfair dismissal. |
I'm pretty sure that this doesn't override a long term fixed contract like Barton's. Otherwise football clubs could just dump any contracted player who doesn't perform and I think we'd know about that. Pity | | | |
| Barton Going ? on 20:37 - May 27 with 3059 views | WatfordR |
| Barton Going ? on 20:31 - May 27 by highleverhoopL |
I'm pretty sure that this doesn't override a long term fixed contract like Barton's. Otherwise football clubs could just dump any contracted player who doesn't perform and I think we'd know about that. Pity |
Not performing is one thing. Gross misconduct is another. What the club can or can't do will depend on the smallprint in his contract. |  | | |
| Barton Going ? on 08:52 - May 28 with 2839 views | Monahoop |
| Barton Going ? on 02:16 - May 27 by Nov77 |
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/253482/West-Ham-s-Joey-Barton-bid/?
WEST HAM are ready to offer disgraced Joey Barton an Âescape route out of Queens Park Rangers.
The Loftus Road skipper was slapped with a 12-match ban and a £75,000 fine by the FA last week Âfollowing his red-card show at ÂManchester City on the final day of the season.
After being sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez, Barton kneed Sergio Aguero in the back before trying to headbutt Vincent Kompany.
As a result, QPR, who are holding an internal investigation into the shocking scenes, have decided they must get shot of their wayward Âmidfielder.
They are even prepared to pay up a significant slice of the three years left on his £80,000-a-week contract in order to shove him out of the door.
And the good news for Mark ÂHughes’ men is that newly-promoted West Ham are keen to take Barton, 29, to Upton Park as they prepare for life back in the top flight.
Hammers boss Sam Allardyce has always admired one-time England Âinternational Barton.
When he was in charge at Newcastle, Big Sam signed him from Manchester City for £5.8million.
Most believe Barton is not worth the aggravation or money but ÂAllardyce remains convinced he can handle one of football’s most Âcontroversial characters and get the best out of him.
Yet history Âsuggests the east Londoners, who would hand ÂBarton a two-year contract worth £40,000-a-week, will be taking a massive gamble — even if he is a free transfer.
For no matter where he has played down the years, Barton’s Âcareer has been littered with Âunsavoury Âmoments.
At Man City, the Merseysider was involved in a string of off-the-field clashes with his team-mates, which included stubbing out a cigar in a youth team player’s eye.
But it was during his time at ÂNewcastle that ÂBarton hit rock- Âbottom. He was Âsentenced to six months in jail in May 2008 after pleading guilty to an assault in Liverpool city Âcentre the previous Christmas.
That crime list, however, does not appear to worry Allardyce, who is desperate to boost his squad Âfollowing last weekend’s play-off final win over Blackpool.
Hughes has Âalready begun his Âoverhaul of QPR by axing eight Âplayers.
Peter Ramage, Danny ÂGabbidon, Danny Shittu, Fitz Hall, Lee Cook, Gary Borrowdale, Rowan Vine and Patrick Agyemang have not been offered new terms.
Hughes will Ârebuild his side after they avoided relegation on the final day of the season after Bolton lost.
He vowed then: “No team of mine will be in this position again.”
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Paragraph 14. Allardyce is desperate to boost his squad? Well he must be if he wants to sign Barton. Well good luck to West Ham. They're or anyone else is welcome to him. |  |
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| Barton Going ? on 08:55 - May 28 with 2826 views | DesertBoot |
I cannot see any team blowing £50k + a week on a player not available until Nov/Dec.
Especially one that has just been promoted. Move on. |  |
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| Barton Going ? on 09:41 - May 28 with 2760 views | HollowayRanger |
one of 3 to happen
1. we pay him up and he leaves
2. we find a way to sack him without paying
3.stuck with him till january
whatever happens bartons got a few months to get his act together and try and save his career because IF it happens again next season he's finished |  |
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| Barton Going ? on 09:51 - May 28 with 2742 views | westolian |
faces being cast into football’s wilderness.
It is possible that British clubs may not risk signing a player with such a disastrous disciplinary record,
Yeh, like clubs wouldn't take Lee Hughes and Marlon King. Barton is nowhere near their league !
Just to re-iterate, i think he could be a great "new"signing for us after a 12 game lay off and would give really good cover in midfield - it will force Hughes to go an buy someone (probably better) so, poor Joey may have lost his starting place - thats all !! |  |
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| Barton Going ? on 09:51 - May 28 with 2741 views | E17hoop |
| Barton Going ? on 10:02 - May 27 by Jamie |
We have an incredibly good case should we sack him for gross misconduct. And Barton knows it. |
Unless there is a specific clause in his contact relating to the number of red cards he is issued with in a specific period, etc, I'd suggest this is highly unlikely.
Gross misconduct is rarely clearly defined and the burden of proof lays with the employer to identify how the employee has broken the contractual relationship.
QPR need to prove that the decision to dismiss Barton was one that a reasonable employer would have made, was fair and reasonable in the circumstances, and that the offence was so wrong that dismissal was an appropriate sanction.
Since clubs almost never terminate a player's contract after a FA hearing following an on field incident (Cantona, Suarez, etc), precedent is in Barton's favour. |  |
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| Barton Going ? on 09:56 - May 28 with 2726 views | daveB |
Those quotes from barton are from an old interview.
I doubt West Ham will sign him, David Sullivan was on sky the other week saying they wouldn't touch him |  | | |
| Barton Going ? on 10:01 - May 28 with 2713 views | pomanjou |
| Barton Going ? on 09:51 - May 28 by E17hoop |
Unless there is a specific clause in his contact relating to the number of red cards he is issued with in a specific period, etc, I'd suggest this is highly unlikely.
Gross misconduct is rarely clearly defined and the burden of proof lays with the employer to identify how the employee has broken the contractual relationship.
QPR need to prove that the decision to dismiss Barton was one that a reasonable employer would have made, was fair and reasonable in the circumstances, and that the offence was so wrong that dismissal was an appropriate sanction.
Since clubs almost never terminate a player's contract after a FA hearing following an on field incident (Cantona, Suarez, etc), precedent is in Barton's favour. |
Regretfully correct. I said earlier......"Absolute racing certainty that we would have to stump up a handsome amount to purge ourselves of him"
You've elaborated with some of the reasons and that man 'Precedent' plays one hell of a game. Much stronger player than 'Sentiment' or 'General Wishes'.........
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| Barton Going ? on 10:33 - May 28 with 2665 views | Jamie |
'Gross misconduct is rarely clearly defined and the burden of proof lays with the employer to identify how the employee has broken the contractual relationship.
QPR need to prove that the decision to dismiss Barton was one that a reasonable employer would have made, was fair and reasonable in the circumstances, and that the offence was so wrong that dismissal was an appropriate sanction.'
Making yourself unavailable for 12 games is reason enough to justify termination.
If you or I were jailed for 12 weeks, we would be terminated and justifiably so. | | | |
| Barton Going ? on 10:37 - May 28 with 2652 views | timcocking |
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| Barton Going ? on 10:38 - May 28 with 2649 views | Charlie1 |
| Barton Going ? on 10:33 - May 28 by Jamie |
'Gross misconduct is rarely clearly defined and the burden of proof lays with the employer to identify how the employee has broken the contractual relationship.
QPR need to prove that the decision to dismiss Barton was one that a reasonable employer would have made, was fair and reasonable in the circumstances, and that the offence was so wrong that dismissal was an appropriate sanction.'
Making yourself unavailable for 12 games is reason enough to justify termination.
If you or I were jailed for 12 weeks, we would be terminated and justifiably so. |
It's not a criminal act though is it.
Explain your view point rather than implying this will happen (you're often wrong with what you claim to know and state on here). Am intrigued.
I think E17 has it bang on. I also think Westy's permutation on it will pan out that way. The truth is, you or no-one knows right now. It's in the fine print of the contract.
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| Barton Going ? on 11:40 - May 28 with 2605 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
Seems to me there are two possible avenues for the club to justify sacking for gross misconduct.
The first is the cowardly and unprovoked assault on Aguero after the referee had already issued a red card. A red card is an occupational hazard and possibly covered by the contract. What followed is something else.
The second is the Barton's assertion on social media to 1.5M followers that a teammate had suggested he take one of theirs with him. Barton has, I believe, since told the FA that was untrue. A very straightforward case of bringing the game and QPR into disrepute I would have thought.
Precedent is neither here nor there. No doubt Man Utd could have sacked Cantona if they had wanted to. There have been plenty of players sacked. High profile players are usually transfer listed because of their value or as an easy way out. The reluctance of clubs to sack is understandable but not a reason for thinking it can't or shouldn't happen.
Lots are saying it won't happen because of the high eventual cost they foresee. To me Fernandes may see it as a decision he needs to take to avoid his plans for taking the club forward being undermined by this loose cannon. The signals say Fernandes wants rid. | | | |
| Barton Going ? on 11:44 - May 28 with 2593 views | Northernr |
| Barton Going ? on 11:40 - May 28 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Seems to me there are two possible avenues for the club to justify sacking for gross misconduct.
The first is the cowardly and unprovoked assault on Aguero after the referee had already issued a red card. A red card is an occupational hazard and possibly covered by the contract. What followed is something else.
The second is the Barton's assertion on social media to 1.5M followers that a teammate had suggested he take one of theirs with him. Barton has, I believe, since told the FA that was untrue. A very straightforward case of bringing the game and QPR into disrepute I would have thought.
Precedent is neither here nor there. No doubt Man Utd could have sacked Cantona if they had wanted to. There have been plenty of players sacked. High profile players are usually transfer listed because of their value or as an easy way out. The reluctance of clubs to sack is understandable but not a reason for thinking it can't or shouldn't happen.
Lots are saying it won't happen because of the high eventual cost they foresee. To me Fernandes may see it as a decision he needs to take to avoid his plans for taking the club forward being undermined by this loose cannon. The signals say Fernandes wants rid. |
"The second is the Barton's assertion on social media to 1.5M followers that a teammate had suggested he take one of theirs with him. Barton has, I believe, since told the FA that was untrue. A very straightforward case of bringing the game and QPR into disrepute I would have thought."
Agreed, this is the one they could get him on IMO. We sacked Sousa for much less! No evidence on the tape that any QPR player speaks to him, reckon he made it up because he's not as bright as he likes to make out and didn't want to admit he'd totally lost the plot. |  | | |
| Barton Going ? on 11:49 - May 28 with 2582 views | timcocking |
| Barton Going ? on 11:44 - May 28 by Northernr |
"The second is the Barton's assertion on social media to 1.5M followers that a teammate had suggested he take one of theirs with him. Barton has, I believe, since told the FA that was untrue. A very straightforward case of bringing the game and QPR into disrepute I would have thought."
Agreed, this is the one they could get him on IMO. We sacked Sousa for much less! No evidence on the tape that any QPR player speaks to him, reckon he made it up because he's not as bright as he likes to make out and didn't want to admit he'd totally lost the plot. |
"reckon he made it up because he's not as bright as he likes to make out"
Definitely. Nietzsche my arse. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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