| Rusty morphing into Jones on 08:53 - Oct 28 with 1877 views | PatfromPoole |
TBF I don’t see much wrong in a lot of what he says.
I think the job was too big for Jones, and he couldn’t handle Prem players.
I’m not Martin’s biggest fan, but I think he has some good traits. He seems genuinely pleased to have got a big job, and doesn’t come across as particularly entitled to me.
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| Rusty morphing into Jones on 11:49 - Oct 28 with 1709 views | Flamingbankers |
I see Martin as being a 'sweet-talker'. Very clever with his words and presentation of his position. He says all the right things, knowing all the trending football verbiage, for those he thinks are important - hence his appointment by SR.
However, RM misses something out, or ignores, when he forgets that the fans know what's actually going on and can see it with their own eyes on the field of play and in the day-to-day organisation of the team. For example at the press interview previously referred to he spoke a half truth. He said that the changes ( implying all the changes) were down to "illness, suspension and injury". However, Stu Armstrong and Sulemana were on the bench and were strategic decisions made by Martin alone.
Many fans think he was wrong. I think the out come of the Preston match, and the majority of matches this season, show that many of the fans know what they're talking about most of the time. And sometimes better than the manager and certainly some of the self proclaimed Saints pundits. This points to RM's arrogance and stubborn-headedness, sometimes needed, yes, but in the clear -headed, logical and experienced way not 'for the sake' of a muddle headed personal/philosophical commitment based on modest achievement ( with already decent team squads).
Let's face it Martin is a relatively young manager, 37. He has done reasonably well at clubs but hasn't shown the kind of management skills that McKenna of Ipswich has - as an illustration. RM sticks fairly rigorously to a style of play that seems based on possession football. However, with such a commitment to this style, he really hasn't shown any other different approaches apart from asking the midfield and backs to get back and defend a bit more ( Edozie tries very hard but can't defend very well by the way). When people say he's doing OK or we've got some results - RM seems to rely heavily on getting certain players to get the team out of a hole and a massive amount of luck, for example, either by a bit of individual brilliance eg. Stu or Sulemana or with the substitutes - often correcting a mistaken team selection.
As most of us can see, possession football in the way Martin plays, is not possible without world class players, only the very best teams can play this way whilst they also know how to mix it up when necessary. Second tier players can not do this and hence make mistakes that any sensible, or experienced, opposition manager can easily spot and exploit.
I've been saying for years, seemingly, but give me a clear thinking, experienced and older manager any day. That's someone who the fans could be confident of that would be putting in consistent performances, just look at the management of Roy Hodgson and Neil Warnock etc. And as we know, this translates to the team who also gain confidence. At least to provide some solidity and composure at the club and in the team until we're sincerely confident of an excellent replacement - which are far and few between of course but achieved before with Poch and Koeman.
I think it's fair to say that, presently, Saints fans are still not convinced by RM and this is with very good reasons despite what people like Nick and Glen De La Tour pronounce trying to, irritatingly and illogically, see the side of SR or the management - probably because they see themselves as having some sort of 'stake' in their self-perceived position.
Never forget that real fans are passionate about our club and have the right to criticise anything that they think is not right. We were a Premier League club last year and we have a right to expect the best possible because we invest so much of our time, emotion and money in the club. It's an important part of our lives. Without the fans there would be no Southampton FC as such , it would just be a shell, a mockery of club and a team - that's what we want to prevent. [Post edited 28 Oct 2023 11:56]
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| Rusty morphing into Jones on 12:07 - Oct 28 with 1689 views | Berber |
| Rusty morphing into Jones on 11:49 - Oct 28 by Flamingbankers |
I see Martin as being a 'sweet-talker'. Very clever with his words and presentation of his position. He says all the right things, knowing all the trending football verbiage, for those he thinks are important - hence his appointment by SR.
However, RM misses something out, or ignores, when he forgets that the fans know what's actually going on and can see it with their own eyes on the field of play and in the day-to-day organisation of the team. For example at the press interview previously referred to he spoke a half truth. He said that the changes ( implying all the changes) were down to "illness, suspension and injury". However, Stu Armstrong and Sulemana were on the bench and were strategic decisions made by Martin alone.
Many fans think he was wrong. I think the out come of the Preston match, and the majority of matches this season, show that many of the fans know what they're talking about most of the time. And sometimes better than the manager and certainly some of the self proclaimed Saints pundits. This points to RM's arrogance and stubborn-headedness, sometimes needed, yes, but in the clear -headed, logical and experienced way not 'for the sake' of a muddle headed personal/philosophical commitment based on modest achievement ( with already decent team squads).
Let's face it Martin is a relatively young manager, 37. He has done reasonably well at clubs but hasn't shown the kind of management skills that McKenna of Ipswich has - as an illustration. RM sticks fairly rigorously to a style of play that seems based on possession football. However, with such a commitment to this style, he really hasn't shown any other different approaches apart from asking the midfield and backs to get back and defend a bit more ( Edozie tries very hard but can't defend very well by the way). When people say he's doing OK or we've got some results - RM seems to rely heavily on getting certain players to get the team out of a hole and a massive amount of luck, for example, either by a bit of individual brilliance eg. Stu or Sulemana or with the substitutes - often correcting a mistaken team selection.
As most of us can see, possession football in the way Martin plays, is not possible without world class players, only the very best teams can play this way whilst they also know how to mix it up when necessary. Second tier players can not do this and hence make mistakes that any sensible, or experienced, opposition manager can easily spot and exploit.
I've been saying for years, seemingly, but give me a clear thinking, experienced and older manager any day. That's someone who the fans could be confident of that would be putting in consistent performances, just look at the management of Roy Hodgson and Neil Warnock etc. And as we know, this translates to the team who also gain confidence. At least to provide some solidity and composure at the club and in the team until we're sincerely confident of an excellent replacement - which are far and few between of course but achieved before with Poch and Koeman.
I think it's fair to say that, presently, Saints fans are still not convinced by RM and this is with very good reasons despite what people like Nick and Glen De La Tour pronounce trying to, irritatingly and illogically, see the side of SR or the management - probably because they see themselves as having some sort of 'stake' in their self-perceived position.
Never forget that real fans are passionate about our club and have the right to criticise anything that they think is not right. We were a Premier League club last year and we have a right to expect the best possible because we invest so much of our time, emotion and money in the club. It's an important part of our lives. Without the fans there would be no Southampton FC as such , it would just be a shell, a mockery of club and a team - that's what we want to prevent. [Post edited 28 Oct 2023 11:56]
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A good contribution. Fans that have slogged through the decades of ups and downs can both recognise flim flam, as well as having the right to express their points of view, even if that implies criticism of the decision makers in the club. |  |
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