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at 21:18 22 May 2019

I'll give you this, Katie. You are a flawed human being on so many levels but no one can deny your dogged persistence.

If you are kicked off the forum you respawn within a day or two, and you have been sticking to this tired dual identity thing forever.

Although it is sad to watch, this ability to carry on and on and on and on in the face of adversity has to be acknowledged as at least one personal quality of yours.

I bet you didn't know you had so much in common with Theresa May.
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at 17:25 22 May 2019

Hi Basel

It's a nice try to identify the root of the anger and resentment as the response to the 2016 referendum. The anger goes much deeper than that.

At base it reflects a sense of frustration and powerlessness going to back to the 2008 financial crisis, the austerity which followed, and the Parliamentary expenses scandal. These really were things for people to get mad about but instead, the snake-oil salesmen like Farage have firstly focused that anger onto 'immigrants' (the oldest trick in the book) and then then EU (as part of 'the elite' and the helpers of immigrants). So now everyone is now mad at the EU instead of the years of austerity and increasing inequality.

And now - because there are some grown ups in Parliament who aren't entirely reckless as to the consequences of Brexit (as the 'no deal' Brexiteers surely are) - everyone can be mad about traitors and betrayal and a breach of democracy too.

And meanwhile back on planet real, British Steel enters compulsory administration and the pound's fall deepens.

No one will be standing up for democracy tomorrow. We'll all just be getting it off our chests.
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Remain Voters
at 15:23 22 May 2019

I can understand where you are coming from. And unless 17.4m people vote for the Farage parties, the result will be 'spun' in different ways by each side. Suspect lots of people will agree with you and either not vote at all or do like you.
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at 14:23 22 May 2019

I don't think any vote can every be considered undemocratic, because the opportunities for 'the people' to actually have their say are few and far between at the best of times.

Most people are treating this like another referendum. If you want a 'no deal' Brexit vote for one of Farage's parties and if you don't want to leave at all vote Lib Dem or Green.
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Remain Voters
at 13:08 22 May 2019

And what's your take on this cretin calling a pro-Brexit MP a traitor and a liar whilst filming it for no doubt some tin pot you tube channel for nutters?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-48360602/monmouth-mp-david-davie

I think I'd rather take a milkshake hit than listen to her.

Perhaps we should just replace the whole of politics with a big custard pie fight. Seems to me that we are almost there already.
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Gao Speaks (Robbed from the Saints web)
at 15:48 21 May 2019

What I said was that he wasn't going to make any money 'unless we are successful' and the main thought in my mind when I said that was that he certainly wasn't going to make any money if we are relegated.

Beyond that, I would have thought he would want a team that has at least cemented a place in the Premier League and who isn't even flirting with relegation. And then he seems to be all about trying to make money from the Chinese market, so he will want a team with exciting players, playing with a bit of flare, one that some Chinese fans might want to associate with or support.

So, a mid-table team playing attractive football. How would that be?

I think there is a real problem in the Premier League in terms of there being too little to play for for the also rans. I would start by saying that any team who qualifies for Europe is automatically taken out of the next season's League Cup. I would also introduce a play-off for the final Europa slot. Would give the also rans more of a chance at a trophy and add a bit of play off spice to the end of the season, like all the other leagues have.
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Gao Speaks (Robbed from the Saints web)
at 11:38 21 May 2019

I appreciate that. I was referring to the post by our resident genius Occasional Showers a few days ago...

"Saints are just going through the motions. We keep scraping out of trouble, but that’s the best we can hope for. So far it’s been perfect for them to asset strip and survive. When the inevitable happens we’ll end up plummeting just like post 2005."
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Gao Speaks (Robbed from the Saints web)
at 11:15 21 May 2019

Sorry. I keep forgetting...
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Gao Speaks (Robbed from the Saints web)
at 10:51 21 May 2019

The chap he said he was following - Li Ka-Shing - is from Hong Kong, so it wasn't his motive to 'get his money out of China'. More likely that Gao followed someone who was simply investing in the UK. (And I think there are also Chinese political advantages to getting involved with UK football).

Liekwise, the idea that Gao is an asset-stripper doesn't add up. The profit was made by Kat Liebherr when she sold the company for many times more than her father had paid. Having paid Kat £200m, the first £200m that Gao gets back is simply what he put in. And the only way he's going to get back more than this is by increasing the value of the Club. And that's not going to happen unless we are successful.

There are things to worry about in relation to Gao but let's see how the close season goes before judging him and his motives.
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This report demonstrates why the UK was right to vote to leave the EU.
at 00:09 20 May 2019

Dune was before my time, but he’s clearly the b*stard love child of Jordan Sibkey and RedandwhitePower. Gives himself away with every post, bless him.
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Ann Widdecomb
at 23:58 19 May 2019

i know, I didn’t take it as such.

I agree that the UK is a less corrupt country. I was actually commenting to a friend yesterday (when the story broke about the Austrian vice chancellor resigning) that I had heard a long time ago that Austria was extraordinarily bent.

It’s not that surprising though that the citizens of countries which have been through foreign occupation and radical constitutional changes in the last 100 years should have less reverence for the State and the rule of law than we do here. They had to learn to duck and dive to survive whereas we never did.

I agree that 200 euros is still high but somehow now in the same ballpark as £50 or $100. Reading around this a bit, it seems that Germany is the country where not just criminals like to pay big in cash. Didn’t see an explanation for that. Just a cultural quirk I guess.
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This report demonstrates why the UK was right to vote to leave the EU.
at 15:40 19 May 2019

The report is here if anyone want some to actually read it.

https://www.eca.europa.eu/en/Pages/DocItem.aspx?did=%7B33E44A9F-C350-4762-99B4-1

It’s mainly focused on what member states aren’t doing to tackle EU fraud, rather than the EU itself. The report was commissioned by the EU.
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Ann Widdecomb
at 14:53 19 May 2019

The serious answer, if you insist, is that when the Eurozone countries converted to the Euro a number of them already had extremely high denomination notes - e.g. Germany, Austria, Latvia. You can understand how these things go. Transferring from one currency to another was going to be an extraordinarily difficult administrative exercise and the objective would have been to make the transition as seamless as possible, which would have meant converting like for like across the EU.

As I understand it, alive to criminal issues, the 500 Euro notes are no longer being printed (at least not by the EU) albeit that the ones already in circulation remain legal.

If you want to take a wider view, have you tried to open a bank account or anything similar recently? If you have, you’ll know how tight the anti-money laundering regulations are these days. All that is driven by European directives. The UK has, for example, committed to adopting the 5th anti-money laundering directive notwithstanding Brexit. You can check it all out here:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/criminal-justi

I am not sure I am happy being described as a committed Europhile. I can see the issues, i just think they have been completely overblown. And I understand that people are people are fed up with the state of the UK but the idea that everything is the fault of the EU is (I think) just a great big con trick.
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Ann Widdecome
at 10:37 19 May 2019

You try getting a million euros in a brown envelope using fifties. It's just not possible.
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Ann Widdecome
at 09:21 19 May 2019

That’s lovely Katie. Thanks for letting me know. You enjoy your time in the garden today. Nice for you to get some fresh air.
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Ann Widdecome
at 09:01 19 May 2019

The last one wasn’t really a ‘people’s’ vote. It was just a vote. This time it will be a proper vote for and by the people. People’s Vote means People’s Vote.
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WHY?
at 08:40 19 May 2019

They don’t need us. You are mistaken about that. Maintaining the integrity of the rules for the remaining countries is far more important to them. They would be mad if it wasn’t.
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New Kits - Stripes and hideous
at 11:28 17 May 2019

Do you think you might be a little over-focused on diversity?
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Ann Widdecome
at 13:57 16 May 2019

Farage is the only apoplectic one. (Have you seen him speak recently? He can't UTTER a singe SENTENCE without placing some RIDICULOUS shouty STRESS on some IMPORTANT word.) Everyone else is just fed up.
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Ann Widdecome
at 10:56 16 May 2019

I have had to get used to the fact that a large number of my fellow citizens (sometimes even friends) genuinely think that Farage, Widdecome etc are worthy of support.

You need to get used to the fact that a similar number of us genuinely think they are dishonest rabble-rousers who spout lies and nonsense so as to stir up trouble and whose only real intention is to push a childish 'last night of the proms' ideal of an 'independent Britain' and crazy free market economics.

The not liking them comes as a result of what they say and what they do, not the other way around.
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