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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. 11:48 - Mar 21 with 1386 viewsShaky

Over-optimistic ministers manipulate the Brexit debate
by: Janan Ganesh

Financial Times, 21st March, 2017

There are medical students who glide through every stage of their training bar the bedside manner. They know the human body and its processes but cannot manage patient expectations or break bad news.

The three men in charge of Brexit, that elective operation on Britain’s body politic, evoke the opposite – and the worst – type of doctor. What they lack in core competence they redress with tongues of purest silver.

Pressed for detail on his work by MPs last week, David Davis, the minister for exit, left them vaguer. It hurts to inform you that diplomats find him well-briefed next to Liam Fox, whose trade portfolio is a phantom thing until Britain leaves the EU, and Boris Johnson, who has not let his rise to foreign secretary disrupt his work as a jester for the kind of Tories who laugh when a bird lands on centre court at Wimbledon.

But then look at what these ministers have achieved as manipulators of public debate. Over the past year, the terms on which Britain will leave have been talked down on such a fine gradient that even vigilant observers of politics are only semi-conscious of how far the country has been led.

As an opening pitch, voters were told that Britain could retain single-market membership without its corollary burdens. Norway and Switzerland have tried for the same Utopia but our superior size would clinch it. When Leavers were disabused of this dream, they spoke of “access” to the market and zero barriers for traded goods. German exporters, blessed with supernatural lobbying powers that somehow failed to soften European sanctions on Russia, would persuade the EU of the mutual interest in such an arrangement.

When even this diminished plan ran into trouble, when it became clear that Britain’s desire for bilateral dealmaking power could not be accommodated inside the customs union, Leavers fell back on a formal trade relationship with the EU instead. Britain would do business with Europe as Canada does, as if geography had been abolished and the access terms enjoyed by a nation 4,000km away would serve for a nation whose physical and economic orientation is to the continent.

That seemed to be the last recourse. But now ministers are trying to normalise the idea of total exit without a trade pact. Mr Johnson says this would not be “by any means as apocalyptic as some people like to pretend” (roll up, roll up for a future that stops short of apocalypse) and Mr Davis describes it as “not harmful”. Economists disagree with him but politicians are allowed to question their record of clairvoyance.

What they are not allowed is a pardon for a solid year’s worth of promissory slippage: from single market membership to a commodious niche in the customs union to a trade deal to absolute severance. Even if they are right that Britain can prosper in its principal market as a World Trade Organization member, this was never their vision.

At every stage, they overpromise. At every stage, reality finds them out. At every stage, they spin the new bottom-line as something they half-expected all along and as nothing to fear. If the sun melted the northern hemisphere, they would hope to finesse these isles out of the generalised inferno with a bespoke deal. This is the kind of confidence that arouses the opposite of confidence in others. It is the confidence of a lost tour guide who cannot be seen to scrutinise a map in front of paying holidaymakers.

If these ministers erred in different ways at different times, they could hope to improve through practice. But they consistently err on the side of optimism. The problem is not technical incompetence so much as a mystical belief that the EU will unpick its fundamental principles to accommodate Britain, that the whole world will make exceptions for the nation of Shakespeare and the spinning jenny. If these men were shocked that the EU turned out to be a tough interlocutor with interests of its own, imagine their first contact with the American industrial lobby or the Indian state.

On March 29, the government will file Article 50 and begin talks that have no precedent in sweep or complexity. If we are now inured to the prospect of the very hardest of exits, that is some feat by Leavers. There is an art to the gradual normalisation of previously extreme ideas. In the hands of a good politician, you cannot tell you are being let down.
It is just that you would rather be in the hands of statesmen. Seeing these ministers talk their way out of old promises leaves you with a sense of sinuous political skill but also smallness – of a trio pulling themselves up to their full height to look at the monumental work of exit straight in the ankles.

https://www.ft.com/content/35dc3b9a-0d4f-11e7-b030-768954394623

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:50 - Mar 21 with 1380 viewsHighjack

You can almost taste the hate and bitterness in that article.

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:53 - Mar 21 with 1379 viewsblueytheblue

FT have always had pro-EU bias.

Were't they predicting financial apocalypse upon Leave winning the vote, not upon actually leaving EU?

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:56 - Mar 21 with 1371 viewsShaky

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:50 - Mar 21 by Highjack

You can almost taste the hate and bitterness in that article.


Nope, that would be biting sarcasm.

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 12:00 - Mar 21 with 1359 viewsHighjack

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:56 - Mar 21 by Shaky

Nope, that would be biting sarcasm.


Nope it really isn't.

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:23 - Mar 21 with 1268 viewsHumpty

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 11:50 - Mar 21 by Highjack

You can almost taste the hate and bitterness in that article.


Any particular bits you think are incorrect?
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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:28 - Mar 21 with 1253 viewssherpajacob

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:23 - Mar 21 by Humpty

Any particular bits you think are incorrect?


lots of flowery language and colourful analogies, but in essence its a pretty accurate summation of what's happened so far

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:29 - Mar 21 with 1249 viewsHumpty

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:28 - Mar 21 by sherpajacob

lots of flowery language and colourful analogies, but in essence its a pretty accurate summation of what's happened so far


Agreed.
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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:26 - Mar 22 with 1128 viewsHighjack

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 16:23 - Mar 21 by Humpty

Any particular bits you think are incorrect?


There's not a single fact in the whole thing. It's not necessarily incorrect, but it's not correct either. It's just pure opinion, but the contempt is obvious.

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:31 - Mar 22 with 1122 viewssherpajacob

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:26 - Mar 22 by Highjack

There's not a single fact in the whole thing. It's not necessarily incorrect, but it's not correct either. It's just pure opinion, but the contempt is obvious.


Pressed for detail on his work by MPs last week, David Davis, the minister for exit, left them vaguer.

now ministers are trying to normalise the idea of total exit without a trade pact. Mr Johnson says this would not be “by any means as apocalyptic as some people like to pretend” and Mr Davis describes it as “not harmful”

Both the above passages are irrefutable.
[Post edited 22 Mar 2017 10:36]

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:45 - Mar 22 with 1106 viewsblueytheblue

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:31 - Mar 22 by sherpajacob

Pressed for detail on his work by MPs last week, David Davis, the minister for exit, left them vaguer.

now ministers are trying to normalise the idea of total exit without a trade pact. Mr Johnson says this would not be “by any means as apocalyptic as some people like to pretend” and Mr Davis describes it as “not harmful”

Both the above passages are irrefutable.
[Post edited 22 Mar 2017 10:36]


1) You don't tip your hand to other parties when about to start negotiation talks. That's plain dumb.

2) For months it's been stated the no deal isn't the apocalypse some would claim. Hardly a case that only "now ministers are trying to normalise the idea".

FT have always been pro EU. Their legal expert boldly stated Article 50 would never be invoked, ffs!

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Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:53 - Mar 22 with 1100 viewsHighjack

Terrible Brexit status update by FT Remoaner. Very unfair. on 10:45 - Mar 22 by blueytheblue

1) You don't tip your hand to other parties when about to start negotiation talks. That's plain dumb.

2) For months it's been stated the no deal isn't the apocalypse some would claim. Hardly a case that only "now ministers are trying to normalise the idea".

FT have always been pro EU. Their legal expert boldly stated Article 50 would never be invoked, ffs!


Exactly, it is pure conjecture and speculation based on a strong opinion.

Also, what exactly is wrong with people who "err on the side of optimism"? Is that really a terrible trait to be vaguely positive in your outlook?

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