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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK 23:28 - Nov 10 with 1200164 viewspikeypaul



And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.

It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.

The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.

Happy Days.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:23 - Aug 2 with 597 viewsWarwickHunt

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:38 - Aug 2 by Jango

It’s not rocket science mucka. If Farage was serious about Brexit he would have put his vanity to one side and played that remain alliance, or what ever they call themselves, at their own game and the Tories would have clearly won the seat. It’s a whole farce at the moment. Libs have won the seat, they’ve been campaigning for 3 years for a people’s vote and yet over 50% of the votes were in favour of parties happy to pursue a no deal.


There’s more chance of Gonzo becoming DoF at Barca.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:27 - Aug 2 with 590 viewsHighjack

Ms Swinson will be made up at that result.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:39 - Aug 2 with 575 viewsjohnlangy

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:42 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

Supply and confidence deals are hardly the same as getting people not to stand.

Idiots claim DUP were paid a "bribe" which is libellous. Money went into NI infrastructure.


So they would have had the money anyway if they didn't agree to support the Tories ?

Come on bluey.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 11:07 - Aug 2 with 557 viewsJackSomething

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:10 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

Easy for Greens with 1 MP to do that. Will it have much effect across UK? Doubt it.
Plaid also are limited in the candidates fielded.

So what's your predicted effect? Tories wiped in Wales? Eh, whatever.

Swinson visited the constituency 4 times. Lib Dems threw everything into that byelection, had their deal to not split the Remain vote - yet only won due to the Leave vote being split by Brexit party.

Difficult to say how it would go in a general election, but I can see Tories taking back votes from Brexit party after people see the consequences here.

What's clear is it was a humiliating night for Corbyn. His byelection record as leader is woedul.

Corbyn's by-election record:
% +/-

2019
Brecon -12.4
Peterboro -17.2
Newport West -12.7

2018
Lewisham E -17.7

2017
Stoke -2.2
Copeland -4.9

2016
Sleaford -7.1
Richmond -8.67
Witney -2.2
BATLEY (uncontested) +42.6
TOOTING +8.7
Ogmore -0.3
SHEFFIELD BH +5.9

2015
OLDHAM +7.3


While Bluey is right that the result was a disaster for Labour, it's lovely to see that he still greets any bad news for the Tories with his classic straight bat of "yeah, but Corbyn".

It's beyond parody at this point.

You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:04 - Aug 2 with 504 viewslondonlisa2001

If there was one thing I could guarantee, it’d be that the people all saying you can’t add up votes between remain and leave in a single issue, PR, European vote would now be adding up votes in a multiple issue, FPTP, Westminster vote.

Whichever way it’s spun, the Tories had a majority of over 8,000, gained in an election where their nationwide vote was a disaster, and they saw a swing of over 9,500 votes away from them to the LibDems a week into the reign of what was supposed to be their great unifying hope.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:13 - Aug 2 with 495 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:39 - Aug 2 by johnlangy

So they would have had the money anyway if they didn't agree to support the Tories ?

Come on bluey.


It was a condition of the supply and confidence agreement.

Again, I've read idiots claim "bribe paid to DUP" which is bollocks.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:16 - Aug 2 with 492 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:04 - Aug 2 by londonlisa2001

If there was one thing I could guarantee, it’d be that the people all saying you can’t add up votes between remain and leave in a single issue, PR, European vote would now be adding up votes in a multiple issue, FPTP, Westminster vote.

Whichever way it’s spun, the Tories had a majority of over 8,000, gained in an election where their nationwide vote was a disaster, and they saw a swing of over 9,500 votes away from them to the LibDems a week into the reign of what was supposed to be their great unifying hope.


With almost certainly the worst possible Tory candidate.

No Brexit party splitting Leave vote, Tory hold with reduced majority.

Not great to lose a seat, not the disaster some predicted either.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Aug 2 with 492 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:04 - Aug 2 by londonlisa2001

If there was one thing I could guarantee, it’d be that the people all saying you can’t add up votes between remain and leave in a single issue, PR, European vote would now be adding up votes in a multiple issue, FPTP, Westminster vote.

Whichever way it’s spun, the Tories had a majority of over 8,000, gained in an election where their nationwide vote was a disaster, and they saw a swing of over 9,500 votes away from them to the LibDems a week into the reign of what was supposed to be their great unifying hope.


What’s different this time Lisa is parties have combined to share votes it was absolutely inevitable that people would do the maths. Facts are Lisa, if brexit party and Tories had done what the other 3 parties had done then there would have been a Tory victory. Whether it was done by brexit party to send a message to the Tory’s I don’t know but the numbers are there and I don’t think
It will happen again. Another thing of note is that when adding the brexit/no deal parties together they have a majority. Firstly, where’s this huge swing in favour of remain that everyone talks about and secondly what’s the point of the Lib Dem’s carrying on with the people’s vote campaign because it doesn’t look like it’s gonna achieve anything new.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:27 - Aug 2 with 485 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 09:38 - Aug 2 by Jango

It’s not rocket science mucka. If Farage was serious about Brexit he would have put his vanity to one side and played that remain alliance, or what ever they call themselves, at their own game and the Tories would have clearly won the seat. It’s a whole farce at the moment. Libs have won the seat, they’ve been campaigning for 3 years for a people’s vote and yet over 50% of the votes were in favour of parties happy to pursue a no deal.


Labour voters are spit as well as Tory voters over Brexit although there are a greater number of pro-remain among labour.

Now that welsh farmers who traditionally voted Tory or Libs in that area are finally waking up to the consequences to them of a no deal, would wipe out Cons and Lab in a GE by voting Lib and most probably would see some who voted for the 'swivels' in protest at the EU elections also swing to the Libs.

Thank you, goodnight and bollocks
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:29 - Aug 2 with 480 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:18 - Aug 2 by Jango

What’s different this time Lisa is parties have combined to share votes it was absolutely inevitable that people would do the maths. Facts are Lisa, if brexit party and Tories had done what the other 3 parties had done then there would have been a Tory victory. Whether it was done by brexit party to send a message to the Tory’s I don’t know but the numbers are there and I don’t think
It will happen again. Another thing of note is that when adding the brexit/no deal parties together they have a majority. Firstly, where’s this huge swing in favour of remain that everyone talks about and secondly what’s the point of the Lib Dem’s carrying on with the people’s vote campaign because it doesn’t look like it’s gonna achieve anything new.


Plaid didn’t run. The Greens don’t run in that seat. Plaid received less votes in the last election than the majority. The alliance made a difference but not the sort of difference you are describing.

The brexit party wouldn’t all be conservative votes. There was a swing from Labour to Brexit as well which would not go to the Tories. People in Ystradgynlais who voted Brexit wouldn’t vote Tory if the brexit party weren’t standing. They’d go back to Labour.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:34 - Aug 2 with 474 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:27 - Aug 2 by Ebo

Labour voters are spit as well as Tory voters over Brexit although there are a greater number of pro-remain among labour.

Now that welsh farmers who traditionally voted Tory or Libs in that area are finally waking up to the consequences to them of a no deal, would wipe out Cons and Lab in a GE by voting Lib and most probably would see some who voted for the 'swivels' in protest at the EU elections also swing to the Libs.


The numbers don’t reflect what you’re trying to say though. Nobody against brexit will have voted Tory or brexit party. Add those together and Lib Dem’s don’t wipe anyone out. In a referendum based on yesterday’s result, even if the entire labour vote was to vote remain (which is unlikely) leave still has majority.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Aug 2 with 473 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:27 - Aug 2 by Ebo

Labour voters are spit as well as Tory voters over Brexit although there are a greater number of pro-remain among labour.

Now that welsh farmers who traditionally voted Tory or Libs in that area are finally waking up to the consequences to them of a no deal, would wipe out Cons and Lab in a GE by voting Lib and most probably would see some who voted for the 'swivels' in protest at the EU elections also swing to the Libs.


The problem with your view, Ebo, is it ignores the fact "Leave" won on numbers. More people voted for Leave backing parties than Remain. Even you can't argue that.

This by-election was won on two matters - unpopular Tory candidate and Brexit party taking votes from Tories. Nothing else.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:45 - Aug 2 with 467 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:29 - Aug 2 by londonlisa2001

Plaid didn’t run. The Greens don’t run in that seat. Plaid received less votes in the last election than the majority. The alliance made a difference but not the sort of difference you are describing.

The brexit party wouldn’t all be conservative votes. There was a swing from Labour to Brexit as well which would not go to the Tories. People in Ystradgynlais who voted Brexit wouldn’t vote Tory if the brexit party weren’t standing. They’d go back to Labour.


Sorry Lisa but I think you’re wrong. For this general election alone I think leave voters would go Tory. I’ve always been labour as is pretty much everyone I work with from Swansea/Neath and surrounding areas. Everyone I’ve spoken to about it this morning have said they’d vote Tory/Brexit party depending on how they decided to play it. If they don’t come to some sort of alliance and go against each other then that’s a different story but it’s been lesson to all, voters and politicians.

With you living in London so long what makes you so confident that you know how people from ystradgynlais would vote? I literally work with people from there and that’s not how they see things.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 14:09 - Aug 2 with 444 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:45 - Aug 2 by Jango

Sorry Lisa but I think you’re wrong. For this general election alone I think leave voters would go Tory. I’ve always been labour as is pretty much everyone I work with from Swansea/Neath and surrounding areas. Everyone I’ve spoken to about it this morning have said they’d vote Tory/Brexit party depending on how they decided to play it. If they don’t come to some sort of alliance and go against each other then that’s a different story but it’s been lesson to all, voters and politicians.

With you living in London so long what makes you so confident that you know how people from ystradgynlais would vote? I literally work with people from there and that’s not how they see things.


The majority of my family live in and around Swansea and West Wales.

But whatever. If people want to vote for Johnson, let them. Let’s hope they don’t moan about it afterwards when the reality bites.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:12 - Aug 2 with 402 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:35 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

The problem with your view, Ebo, is it ignores the fact "Leave" won on numbers. More people voted for Leave backing parties than Remain. Even you can't argue that.

This by-election was won on two matters - unpopular Tory candidate and Brexit party taking votes from Tories. Nothing else.


Not any more though. There has been massive changes of opinion and it is rising by the day and no matter what the lobster jowled gammons tell us, we are heading into serious trouble with the economy and our job security on Oct 31st.

You just cannot stomach defeat Bluey - that is your biggest weaknes.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:17 - Aug 2 with 393 viewscostalotta

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 13:37 - Aug 1 by Highjack

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:42 - Aug 2 with 380 viewssherpajacob

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 10:21 - Aug 2 by LeonWasGod

Oh come on, you're not that naive/partisan. Are you?


Have you not read any of Blueys post previously?

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:54 - Aug 2 with 372 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:12 - Aug 2 by Ebo

Not any more though. There has been massive changes of opinion and it is rising by the day and no matter what the lobster jowled gammons tell us, we are heading into serious trouble with the economy and our job security on Oct 31st.

You just cannot stomach defeat Bluey - that is your biggest weaknes.
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Dear Ebo,

Add Tory votes to Brexit party votes.
Compare and contrast with votes for Lib Dems.

The clear conclusion you fail to want to see is that more voted for Leave parties than for the only Remain party in the byelection.

Lib Dems won due to no split in Remain vote and Brexit taking 3k votes from Tories.

If a GE was tomorrow, it's a two party contest - Lib Dems to Remain, Tory party to leave with the uncertainty being how Brexit party hits Tory vote. I suspect seeing that simple equation, Brexit party vote would migrate to Tories to prevent Lib Dems getting in.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:19 - Aug 2 with 358 viewsBatterseajack

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:54 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

Dear Ebo,

Add Tory votes to Brexit party votes.
Compare and contrast with votes for Lib Dems.

The clear conclusion you fail to want to see is that more voted for Leave parties than for the only Remain party in the byelection.

Lib Dems won due to no split in Remain vote and Brexit taking 3k votes from Tories.

If a GE was tomorrow, it's a two party contest - Lib Dems to Remain, Tory party to leave with the uncertainty being how Brexit party hits Tory vote. I suspect seeing that simple equation, Brexit party vote would migrate to Tories to prevent Lib Dems getting in.


It might not work like that, some of those Brexit party votes could go to Labour.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:25 - Aug 2 with 356 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:19 - Aug 2 by Batterseajack

It might not work like that, some of those Brexit party votes could go to Labour.


Any GE prior to leaving ill be entirely upon Brexit.

Lib Dems - remain.
Tories - leave

Labour - who knows wtf the policy is on any given day.

Labour have lost ground on Leave, lost ground on Remain. They've been squeezed by both into nearly losing deposit. Effective leadership, that.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:57 - Aug 2 with 340 viewsEbo

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:25 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

Any GE prior to leaving ill be entirely upon Brexit.

Lib Dems - remain.
Tories - leave

Labour - who knows wtf the policy is on any given day.

Labour have lost ground on Leave, lost ground on Remain. They've been squeezed by both into nearly losing deposit. Effective leadership, that.


Labour have lost ground on Leave, lost ground on Remain

That makes no sense whatsoever. The majority of labour voters are for remain and they want Corbyn to 100% back it.

Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid, SNP = bigger share of remain vote in the UK than Cons + Swivel eyed looney party (BP) leave vote at the present time.

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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:06 - Aug 2 with 333 viewsJango

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:57 - Aug 2 by Ebo

Labour have lost ground on Leave, lost ground on Remain

That makes no sense whatsoever. The majority of labour voters are for remain and they want Corbyn to 100% back it.

Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid, SNP = bigger share of remain vote in the UK than Cons + Swivel eyed looney party (BP) leave vote at the present time.


What are you basing that on? Because last nights vote doesn’t suggest that.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:43 - Aug 2 with 297 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 16:57 - Aug 2 by Ebo

Labour have lost ground on Leave, lost ground on Remain

That makes no sense whatsoever. The majority of labour voters are for remain and they want Corbyn to 100% back it.

Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid, SNP = bigger share of remain vote in the UK than Cons + Swivel eyed looney party (BP) leave vote at the present time.


In case you'd not notice, Corbyn hasn't 100% backed any fvcking thing other than maybe he might do something if there's an eclipse.

You've Thornberry stating what he should do which got her bumped from filling in for him at PMQs, no doubt sent to a reducation camp.

Those Labour voters wanting Remain voted Lib Dems. Those wanting Leave voted Tory / Brexit party. Brexit transcends traditional political party boundaries.

Anyone with a determined view on either Remain or Leave is hardly going to vote for a party where the leader can't make up his fvcking mind because he's trying to appease all sides.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:44 - Aug 2 with 296 viewsbluey_the_blue

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 17:06 - Aug 2 by Jango

What are you basing that on? Because last nights vote doesn’t suggest that.


Hmm, yeah, nearly losing their deposit states it quite clearly

They are currently, on Brexit, the party of nobody because nobody knows what the fvck their policy is today.
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Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 18:05 - Aug 2 with 285 viewslondonlisa2001

Countdown to the end of Democracy in the UK on 15:54 - Aug 2 by bluey_the_blue

Dear Ebo,

Add Tory votes to Brexit party votes.
Compare and contrast with votes for Lib Dems.

The clear conclusion you fail to want to see is that more voted for Leave parties than for the only Remain party in the byelection.

Lib Dems won due to no split in Remain vote and Brexit taking 3k votes from Tories.

If a GE was tomorrow, it's a two party contest - Lib Dems to Remain, Tory party to leave with the uncertainty being how Brexit party hits Tory vote. I suspect seeing that simple equation, Brexit party vote would migrate to Tories to prevent Lib Dems getting in.


“Brexit party vote would migrate to Tories to prevent Lib Dems getting in.”

They didn’t last night did they.
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