| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … 23:51 - Jan 20 with 1894 views | Kilkennyjack |
‘Wales’s political history has often seen us standing on the sidelines, reacting to events seemingly beyond our control. The newly formed Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales offers an opportunity to change this dynamic’.
Lets see what the experts think is good for Wales ?
No not you Felix.
A modern vibrant indy minded democracy in Europe, or the snivelling second homes wales-shire as advocated by George Thomas and his like.
All aboard the Indy bus ….., 🚌ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ðŸ‘Œ |  |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 07:54 - Jan 21 with 1505 views | raynor94 |
Indy bus, never fails to make me smile, never mind you will wake up soon |  |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 08:09 - Jan 21 with 1491 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 07:54 - Jan 21 by raynor94 |
Indy bus, never fails to make me smile, never mind you will wake up soon |
I am glad to hear that.
That you will wake up in an Indy Wales one day soon also makes me smile.
Shirley you agree that Cymru deserves better than Johnsons cabal of clowns …
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 08:22 - Jan 21 with 1487 views | raynor94 |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 08:09 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
I am glad to hear that.
That you will wake up in an Indy Wales one day soon also makes me smile.
Shirley you agree that Cymru deserves better than Johnsons cabal of clowns …
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Agree Johnson is a clown, sooner Sunak takes over the better, there's no way in the world I'll see a independent Wales in my lifetime.
And you are not far behind me age wise, so keep dreaming  | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 08:24 - Jan 21 with 1486 views | felixstowe_jack |
Unfortunately only 14% of Welsh people want independence.
The pro independence minority have never been able to explain how the loss of the annual £5 billion subsidy from the UK government will be replaced. |  |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 10:14 - Jan 21 with 1470 views | Catullus |
What will you say if this Commission of experts decide that independence is not the best thing for Wales?
What if they say that Wales as a part of a Federal UK is the best way to go? | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:02 - Jan 21 with 1423 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 08:22 - Jan 21 by raynor94 |
Agree Johnson is a clown, sooner Sunak takes over the better, there's no way in the world I'll see a independent Wales in my lifetime.
And you are not far behind me age wise, so keep dreaming |
Fair point. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:09 - Jan 21 with 1419 views | felixstowe_jack |
Why don't you answer any of the Questions.
How will Wales be better of independent of the UK but ruled by the EU?
How will Wales the extra money to replace UK subsidies.
How will Wales cope with the loss of UK government jobs that move back to England.
Will there be a hard border between Wales and England?
What currency will Wales use, if it is the Euro will Welsh people be happy having to change it every time they cross into England for shopping, entertainment, holidays, specialist medical treatment not available in Wales. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:13 - Jan 21 with 1416 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 10:14 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
What will you say if this Commission of experts decide that independence is not the best thing for Wales?
What if they say that Wales as a part of a Federal UK is the best way to go? |
We should have a listen because they are experts.
It might be Indy, but more likely Devo max.
Air passenger duty, the police, criminal justice are already devolved elsewhere.
Relationship with EU is key.
Likewise Ireland and Scotland whatever the future holds for them.
This is another good example;
The Prime Minister could ‘level up’ Wales by transferring the £500m Crown Estate to Welsh control, an MP has said.
Liz Saville Roberts MP urged Boris Johnson to support her Crown Estate (Devolution to Wales) Bill, which would “bring half a billion pounds worth of offshore wind and tidal stream potential under Welsh control”.
The Crown Estate is a collection of lands and holdings in the United Kingdom belonging to the British monarch. It is already devolved to Scotland but powers over the management of Crown Estate in Wales are still held in Westminster, and the revenues proceed directly to the UK Government’s Treasury.
Sadly Johnson and his type will reject Devo max.
So then the indy bus will be the only option.
Unless we want a Wales-shire that is a theme park…. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:26 - Jan 21 with 1409 views | Catullus |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:09 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Why don't you answer any of the Questions.
How will Wales be better of independent of the UK but ruled by the EU?
How will Wales the extra money to replace UK subsidies.
How will Wales cope with the loss of UK government jobs that move back to England.
Will there be a hard border between Wales and England?
What currency will Wales use, if it is the Euro will Welsh people be happy having to change it every time they cross into England for shopping, entertainment, holidays, specialist medical treatment not available in Wales. |
He's been asked those questions (and plenty of others) many times but he can never answer.
Even Mark Drakeford says Indy won't happen because "what currency will we use" and he doesn't seem to think Wales without Sterling will work.
If they can't sort the NI problem without a hard border then there would surely be a hard border between Wales and England.
The Indy supporters have claimed the tax figures are badly wrong and Wales raises a lot more than we are credited with so assume that's true. Then assume we took a while to join the EU (if we voted to try, there'd have to be a referendum for democracy's sake) What would we do outside the UK AND the EU? Imagine a hard border with England AND the EU. people think there's unacceptable disruption because of brexit, I'm sure its nothing compared to being outside both Unions. The trade deals people think the UK isn't big enough to sort out, how would we manage with little to no experience or clout internationally.
I keep bringing up the "Copenhagen criteria" but no EU fan has yet accepted or touted any alternative to the idea that we could leave the UK and take years, maybe a decade or more to gain membership of the EU. I know Turkey is a totally different proposition to us but they have been trying since 1987, that's 34 years. It got a lot harder when Erdogan took over mind and has stalled completely since 2016 but still that's 29 years of failing to win membership. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:37 - Jan 21 with 1398 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
The Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales? So how are these experts qualified to predict the future? Who’s chairing it? Mystic Meg?
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 14:43 - Jan 22 with 1316 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:37 - Jan 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
The Independent Commission on the Constitutional Future of Wales? So how are these experts qualified to predict the future? Who’s chairing it? Mystic Meg?
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Yes the former Archbishop of Canterbury and a Professor have no clue because they are welsh.
Far better that Lord Geidt and Sue Gray, innit … | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 14:44 - Jan 22 with 1314 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:26 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
He's been asked those questions (and plenty of others) many times but he can never answer.
Even Mark Drakeford says Indy won't happen because "what currency will we use" and he doesn't seem to think Wales without Sterling will work.
If they can't sort the NI problem without a hard border then there would surely be a hard border between Wales and England.
The Indy supporters have claimed the tax figures are badly wrong and Wales raises a lot more than we are credited with so assume that's true. Then assume we took a while to join the EU (if we voted to try, there'd have to be a referendum for democracy's sake) What would we do outside the UK AND the EU? Imagine a hard border with England AND the EU. people think there's unacceptable disruption because of brexit, I'm sure its nothing compared to being outside both Unions. The trade deals people think the UK isn't big enough to sort out, how would we manage with little to no experience or clout internationally.
I keep bringing up the "Copenhagen criteria" but no EU fan has yet accepted or touted any alternative to the idea that we could leave the UK and take years, maybe a decade or more to gain membership of the EU. I know Turkey is a totally different proposition to us but they have been trying since 1987, that's 34 years. It got a lot harder when Erdogan took over mind and has stalled completely since 2016 but still that's 29 years of failing to win membership. |
Its not a NI problem, its an English problem on the island of Ireland. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:22 - Jan 22 with 1288 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:26 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
He's been asked those questions (and plenty of others) many times but he can never answer.
Even Mark Drakeford says Indy won't happen because "what currency will we use" and he doesn't seem to think Wales without Sterling will work.
If they can't sort the NI problem without a hard border then there would surely be a hard border between Wales and England.
The Indy supporters have claimed the tax figures are badly wrong and Wales raises a lot more than we are credited with so assume that's true. Then assume we took a while to join the EU (if we voted to try, there'd have to be a referendum for democracy's sake) What would we do outside the UK AND the EU? Imagine a hard border with England AND the EU. people think there's unacceptable disruption because of brexit, I'm sure its nothing compared to being outside both Unions. The trade deals people think the UK isn't big enough to sort out, how would we manage with little to no experience or clout internationally.
I keep bringing up the "Copenhagen criteria" but no EU fan has yet accepted or touted any alternative to the idea that we could leave the UK and take years, maybe a decade or more to gain membership of the EU. I know Turkey is a totally different proposition to us but they have been trying since 1987, that's 34 years. It got a lot harder when Erdogan took over mind and has stalled completely since 2016 but still that's 29 years of failing to win membership. |
Any evidence the tax figures are wrong,? Only two areas of the UK generate more tax revenues than the spend. London of course and the South East. Why do Wales and Scotland receive subsidies under the Barnett formula if you are generating so much tax. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:24 - Jan 22 with 1285 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 14:44 - Jan 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Its not a NI problem, its an English problem on the island of Ireland. |
It is not an English problem it has been created by ROI and the EU. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:46 - Jan 22 with 1279 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Leanne Wood isn’t much of an expert about anything but she’s on this independent commission. Her and that God botherer Rowan Williams will make a wonderful team. | | | |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 15:53 - Jan 23 with 1221 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:46 - Jan 22 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Leanne Wood isn’t much of an expert about anything but she’s on this independent commission. Her and that God botherer Rowan Williams will make a wonderful team. |
Yes its a strong team. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 15:56 - Jan 23 with 1220 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:24 - Jan 22 by felixstowe_jack |
It is not an English problem it has been created by ROI and the EU. |
By David Lloyd George actually.
Brexit just makes a sad situation worse.
I think we can all agree that God made the border of Ireland as clear as he could. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:17 - Jan 23 with 1210 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 15:56 - Jan 23 by Kilkennyjack |
By David Lloyd George actually.
Brexit just makes a sad situation worse.
I think we can all agree that God made the border of Ireland as clear as he could. |
He also made sure we and Ireland were separated from Europe when Doggerland went under the cold foamy brine. Good old God, he thinks of everything. | | | |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:50 - Jan 23 with 1195 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 15:56 - Jan 23 by Kilkennyjack |
By David Lloyd George actually.
Brexit just makes a sad situation worse.
I think we can all agree that God made the border of Ireland as clear as he could. |
Would that be the English born David Lloyd George?
Doubt even if there was a God he made the borders there were at least 7 kingdoms on the Ireland of Ireland in the dark ages.
Was that the Catholic God or Protestant God.
Do you still believe in pixies, elfs, and leprechauns? | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:54 - Jan 23 with 1190 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:50 - Jan 23 by felixstowe_jack |
Would that be the English born David Lloyd George?
Doubt even if there was a God he made the borders there were at least 7 kingdoms on the Ireland of Ireland in the dark ages.
Was that the Catholic God or Protestant God.
Do you still believe in pixies, elfs, and leprechauns? |
Eru Iluvatar is the only true God. I imagine Ireland was created when Melkor started singing his drunken bollocks whilst the rest of the Ainur created the world with their music. | | | |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:58 - Jan 23 with 1189 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:50 - Jan 23 by felixstowe_jack |
Would that be the English born David Lloyd George?
Doubt even if there was a God he made the borders there were at least 7 kingdoms on the Ireland of Ireland in the dark ages.
Was that the Catholic God or Protestant God.
Do you still believe in pixies, elfs, and leprechauns? |
Yes Manchester born i think.
Liked the ladies.
I cant help you with God i’m afraid.
Above my pay grade.
But a united Ireland has been inevitable since partition.
President Joe Biden is a huge fan of a united Ireland.
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:30 - Jan 23 with 1169 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 16:58 - Jan 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes Manchester born i think.
Liked the ladies.
I cant help you with God i’m afraid.
Above my pay grade.
But a united Ireland has been inevitable since partition.
President Joe Biden is a huge fan of a united Ireland.
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He will not be in power in three years time even if his health lasts another 3 years. Nothing is inevitable if the majority in NI wish to remain in the UK. | |
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| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 18:27 - Jan 23 with 1150 views | johnlangy |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:30 - Jan 23 by felixstowe_jack |
He will not be in power in three years time even if his health lasts another 3 years. Nothing is inevitable if the majority in NI wish to remain in the UK. |
Of course not. Nothing is inevitable. But when the Nationalists become a majority within a few years added to the fact that 58% voted to remain in the EU (which would have included a large number of Protestant NI people) then the result of the referendum becomes almost inevitable. | | | |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 18:48 - Jan 23 with 1146 views | johnlangy |
| Laura and Rowans Big Commission … on 17:22 - Jan 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Any evidence the tax figures are wrong,? Only two areas of the UK generate more tax revenues than the spend. London of course and the South East. Why do Wales and Scotland receive subsidies under the Barnett formula if you are generating so much tax. |
This is one of the reasons I (speaking for myself, it's up to others if they decide not to respond) don't bother answering questions you put felix. Because all you do is either not respond, which you'e done numerous times, or you just dismiss the points made with no argument.
As i've said many times the tax figures being wrong is a statement of fact, the only thing in dispute is the amount they are out. Tax for the whole of the UK being declared at large companies HQ's is something that's been happening for a long time. So when the vast majority of those companies HQ's are in England then it's not difficult to understand that a large amount of Welsh tax is being registered as English tax. Because it's registered in England.
No one has ever argued that London and the South East don't pay more tax than they spend. And the rest of the UK, including the whole of the rest of England by the way, run at a deficit.
The only question is how much is that deficit. And in Wales' case it's far less than they tell us. | | | |
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