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Chinese ballon 10:06 - Feb 5 with 11707 viewscontroversial_jack

Another false flag by the Americans? Chinese can get what they want from satellites.
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Chinese ballon on 18:37 - Feb 10 with 1999 viewsTummer_from_Texas

Chinese ballon on 07:43 - Feb 7 by Kilkennyjack

Its the 4th balloon.

Trump never told about the 3 during his Presidency.
What a cry baby loser Trump is.


No, that was a lie so ridiculous even CNN had to report it when it got shot down.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05

Even this revision to the earlier lie is ridiculous. This balloon was easily viewed by people all over the country. If the three other balloons had actually existed, people would have seen them.

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Chinese ballon on 23:32 - Feb 10 with 1928 viewsBoundy

Chinese ballon on 10:45 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack

I've shown you that it was normal weather balloon, but you don't seem or don't want to accept this


how about this one shot down today, not confirmed to be from a particular country and of course you don't believe the americans regarding one shot down last week so no need to refer back to that one

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Chinese ballon on 00:29 - Feb 11 with 1918 viewsDJack

Chinese ballon on 10:45 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack

I've shown you that it was normal weather balloon, but you don't seem or don't want to accept this


All you did was link to a conspiracy theory site with an unsubstantiated claim.

As I keep mentioning and you keep avoiding, normal weather ballons payload is 1.5-3 m wide. NOT the size of a regional plane.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Chinese ballon on 10:09 - Feb 11 with 1882 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 00:29 - Feb 11 by DJack

All you did was link to a conspiracy theory site with an unsubstantiated claim.

As I keep mentioning and you keep avoiding, normal weather ballons payload is 1.5-3 m wide. NOT the size of a regional plane.


i'm sure we will see the evidence then. It will be put on display.

Despite the latest revelations about the capabilities of the spy balloon, the Pentagon has insisted since the vessel was first acknowledged publicly that it does not give China capabilities above and beyond what they already have from spy satellites or other means.

"We did not assess that it presented a significant collection hazard beyond what already exists in actionable technical means from the Chinese," said Gen. Glenn VanHerck, the commander of US Northern Command and NORAD, on Monday.
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Chinese ballon on 17:20 - Feb 11 with 1845 viewsDJack

Chinese ballon on 10:09 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack

i'm sure we will see the evidence then. It will be put on display.

Despite the latest revelations about the capabilities of the spy balloon, the Pentagon has insisted since the vessel was first acknowledged publicly that it does not give China capabilities above and beyond what they already have from spy satellites or other means.

"We did not assess that it presented a significant collection hazard beyond what already exists in actionable technical means from the Chinese," said Gen. Glenn VanHerck, the commander of US Northern Command and NORAD, on Monday.
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Yep, so you now admit it was a spy balloon then, cos if you are quoting that to back you up then you accept the fact it was a spy balloon.

p.s. Have you looked up "Open Skies" agreement

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Chinese ballon on 18:23 - Feb 11 with 1828 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 17:20 - Feb 11 by DJack

Yep, so you now admit it was a spy balloon then, cos if you are quoting that to back you up then you accept the fact it was a spy balloon.

p.s. Have you looked up "Open Skies" agreement


I saw a large piece of white fabric being recovered from the sea

They have also shot doen a UFO. You couldn't make this up.
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Chinese ballon (n/t) on 22:32 - Feb 11 with 1795 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chinese ballon on 18:23 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack

I saw a large piece of white fabric being recovered from the sea

They have also shot doen a UFO. You couldn't make this up.
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Chinese ballon on 22:45 - Feb 11 with 1792 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chinese ballon on 18:23 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack

I saw a large piece of white fabric being recovered from the sea

They have also shot doen a UFO. You couldn't make this up.
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Two more unidentified objects shot down in North America, one in Alaska and one in Canada.

Seems to be a lot of spy hardware going off course.
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Chinese ballon on 22:52 - Feb 11 with 1786 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 22:45 - Feb 11 by felixstowe_jack

Two more unidentified objects shot down in North America, one in Alaska and one in Canada.

Seems to be a lot of spy hardware going off course.
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The one in Alaska was National Weather Service from its measuring stations in Kotzebue or Noma in northwest Alaska.

Brilliant
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Chinese ballon on 09:38 - Feb 12 with 1759 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chinese ballon on 22:52 - Feb 11 by controversial_jack

The one in Alaska was National Weather Service from its measuring stations in Kotzebue or Noma in northwest Alaska.

Brilliant


Still does not explain the original Chinese spy balloon. The reports says unidentified goid of you to identify it for them ftom 10,000 miles away.
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Chinese ballon on 10:25 - Feb 12 with 1749 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 09:38 - Feb 12 by felixstowe_jack

Still does not explain the original Chinese spy balloon. The reports says unidentified goid of you to identify it for them ftom 10,000 miles away.
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It wasn't a spy balloon. The Yanks lied and you believed them, because they are the good guys in your eyes and stand for liberty freedom and the pursuit of happiness.
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Chinese ballon on 20:37 - Feb 12 with 1715 viewsDJack

Chinese ballon on 10:25 - Feb 12 by controversial_jack

It wasn't a spy balloon. The Yanks lied and you believed them, because they are the good guys in your eyes and stand for liberty freedom and the pursuit of happiness.


Yet you posted this...


Chinese ballon by controversial_jack 11 Feb 2023 10:09
i'm sure we will see the evidence then. It will be put on display.

Despite the latest revelations about the capabilities of the spy balloon, the Pentagon has insisted since the vessel was first acknowledged publicly that it does not give China capabilities above and beyond what they already have from spy satellites or other means.

"We did not assess that it presented a significant collection hazard beyond what already exists in actionable technical means from the Chinese," said Gen. Glenn VanHerck, the commander of US Northern Command and NORAD, on Monday.


It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Chinese ballon on 21:02 - Feb 12 with 1701 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 20:37 - Feb 12 by DJack

Yet you posted this...


Chinese ballon by controversial_jack 11 Feb 2023 10:09
i'm sure we will see the evidence then. It will be put on display.

Despite the latest revelations about the capabilities of the spy balloon, the Pentagon has insisted since the vessel was first acknowledged publicly that it does not give China capabilities above and beyond what they already have from spy satellites or other means.

"We did not assess that it presented a significant collection hazard beyond what already exists in actionable technical means from the Chinese," said Gen. Glenn VanHerck, the commander of US Northern Command and NORAD, on Monday.



The pentagons words not mine. Try harder with your gaslighting. It wont work on me
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Chinese ballon on 00:14 - Feb 13 with 1663 viewsDJack

Chinese ballon on 21:02 - Feb 12 by controversial_jack

The pentagons words not mine. Try harder with your gaslighting. It wont work on me


It was you that posted the item, not me, so why?

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Chinese ballon on 09:21 - Feb 13 with 1623 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chinese ballon on 10:25 - Feb 12 by controversial_jack

It wasn't a spy balloon. The Yanks lied and you believed them, because they are the good guys in your eyes and stand for liberty freedom and the pursuit of happiness.


While you choose to support Russia and China two countries with appalling human rights record who are happy to kill and oppress their own citizens let alone the war crimes they commit when they invade other countries target and kill civilians.

Still i am sure you can justify it to yourself even if you are in a minority of one.

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Chinese ballon on 13:07 - Feb 13 with 1611 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 09:21 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack

While you choose to support Russia and China two countries with appalling human rights record who are happy to kill and oppress their own citizens let alone the war crimes they commit when they invade other countries target and kill civilians.

Still i am sure you can justify it to yourself even if you are in a minority of one.


You support NATO. Would you like to check the records of the countries that make up NATO

The US, Uk, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and so on. Check their past records and then come back to me.

Russia has been angelic in comparison, although not exactly saints
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Chinese ballon on 13:49 - Feb 13 with 1601 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Chinese ballon on 13:07 - Feb 13 by controversial_jack

You support NATO. Would you like to check the records of the countries that make up NATO

The US, Uk, Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and so on. Check their past records and then come back to me.

Russia has been angelic in comparison, although not exactly saints


All democratic civilised countries. Russia killed more of its own citizens in WW2 than these countries ever did. Nice attempt to deflect critism from Russia .

Meanwhile back to Chinese balloons. The Chinese have just remembered that someone has been sending Chinese Lanterns into their airspace. You could not make it up 😀

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Chinese ballon on 14:27 - Feb 13 with 1585 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 13:49 - Feb 13 by felixstowe_jack

All democratic civilised countries. Russia killed more of its own citizens in WW2 than these countries ever did. Nice attempt to deflect critism from Russia .

Meanwhile back to Chinese balloons. The Chinese have just remembered that someone has been sending Chinese Lanterns into their airspace. You could not make it up 😀


Russia killed about 700k during the purges. Russia lost about 20 million during ww2.Germany alone killed 6 million jews. Once again you have been shown to be factually incorrect.

Going back to the balloons. All fighter aircraft and bombers have had excellent cameras since ww2, yet not one picture of any of these ballons in the shy have been shown. The US has satelites and spy planes active too.

Apparently, they think the latest one could be a UFO, but still no pictures.
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Chinese ballon on 19:48 - Feb 13 with 1556 viewsSullutaCreturned

Chinese ballon on 14:27 - Feb 13 by controversial_jack

Russia killed about 700k during the purges. Russia lost about 20 million during ww2.Germany alone killed 6 million jews. Once again you have been shown to be factually incorrect.

Going back to the balloons. All fighter aircraft and bombers have had excellent cameras since ww2, yet not one picture of any of these ballons in the shy have been shown. The US has satelites and spy planes active too.

Apparently, they think the latest one could be a UFO, but still no pictures.


700k, yes if you are a Russian apologist, the figure is suggested to be a t leat 9 million but possibly very much higher,

https://allthatsinteresting.co

https://news.stanford.edu/2010

https://www.history.com/topics

https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

The really intersting bits are the Holodomor in Ukraine and the "Soviet" newspaper report saying Satlin killed 20 milllion.
There's a piece that insludes Mao, seeing as you also love the Chinese now too.
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Chinese ballon on 23:28 - Feb 13 with 1534 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 19:48 - Feb 13 by SullutaCreturned

700k, yes if you are a Russian apologist, the figure is suggested to be a t leat 9 million but possibly very much higher,

https://allthatsinteresting.co

https://news.stanford.edu/2010

https://www.history.com/topics

https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

The really intersting bits are the Holodomor in Ukraine and the "Soviet" newspaper report saying Satlin killed 20 milllion.
There's a piece that insludes Mao, seeing as you also love the Chinese now too.


Wrong!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s

Incidentally, it's been estimated, Britain killed or aided in the deaths of 50 million and more deaths in India alone
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Chinese ballon on 01:41 - Feb 14 with 1506 viewsDJack

Chinese ballon on 00:14 - Feb 13 by DJack

It was you that posted the item, not me, so why?


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As Controversial has suddenly gone shy in answering.

It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan

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Chinese ballon on 06:50 - Feb 14 with 1501 viewsTogg

Chinese ballon on 19:48 - Feb 13 by SullutaCreturned

700k, yes if you are a Russian apologist, the figure is suggested to be a t leat 9 million but possibly very much higher,

https://allthatsinteresting.co

https://news.stanford.edu/2010

https://www.history.com/topics

https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/0

The really intersting bits are the Holodomor in Ukraine and the "Soviet" newspaper report saying Satlin killed 20 milllion.
There's a piece that insludes Mao, seeing as you also love the Chinese now too.


Stalin and Mao. Two of the biggest butchers of all time. Wouldn't you just love to have lived or even now live in those two countries . Where free speech like we have here is utterly not tolerated . Yet some advocate their nasty regimes and their political BS. Shame!
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Chinese ballon on 10:47 - Feb 14 with 1472 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 06:50 - Feb 14 by Togg

Stalin and Mao. Two of the biggest butchers of all time. Wouldn't you just love to have lived or even now live in those two countries . Where free speech like we have here is utterly not tolerated . Yet some advocate their nasty regimes and their political BS. Shame!


If you want nasty regimes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opin
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Chinese ballon on 11:44 - Feb 14 with 1462 viewsTogg

Chinese ballon on 10:47 - Feb 14 by controversial_jack

If you want nasty regimes.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opin


How far do you want to go in time and look at atrocities. The Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire? The difference is the UK for example has democracy and free speech. It's not perfect. But if you were Russian openly criticising Putin or his government. You would have a visit from the thought police. If lucky, let off with a few broken limbs. More likely I think you would silp out of the upstairs window and paint the concrete below red. Or just plain go missing. China possibly similar but if fortune is on you side, carted off to a nice cosy little reeducation centre. But hey ho! I know which side of the fence most sensible like minded people would sit.
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Chinese ballon on 17:27 - Feb 14 with 1436 viewscontroversial_jack

Chinese ballon on 11:44 - Feb 14 by Togg

How far do you want to go in time and look at atrocities. The Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire? The difference is the UK for example has democracy and free speech. It's not perfect. But if you were Russian openly criticising Putin or his government. You would have a visit from the thought police. If lucky, let off with a few broken limbs. More likely I think you would silp out of the upstairs window and paint the concrete below red. Or just plain go missing. China possibly similar but if fortune is on you side, carted off to a nice cosy little reeducation centre. But hey ho! I know which side of the fence most sensible like minded people would sit.


Maybe you should have a word with Mr Zelensky, as he has banned most opposition parties and Tv stations and removed any opposition, Russia Today has been censored in Europe, but Not in North America. Many Russian sites have too. Do you still want to talk about free speech?

Here's another lovely regime too. One which is actively supported and encouraged by our friends over the pond
https://www.aljazeera.com/news
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