| I wonder if she knew ? on 22:05 - Apr 6 with 854 views | pencoedjack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:34 - Apr 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales pre-dates the UK, of course.
Although some people argue that the UK was formed in 1707 by the Act of Union between England, Wales and Scotland, the name United Kingdom wasn't adopted until 1801 when Ireland was brought into the union.
Whereas Wales lost its independence in 1282 when it was conquered by the English King Edward I. |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 08:11 - Apr 7 with 781 views | felixstowe_jack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:34 - Apr 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales pre-dates the UK, of course.
Although some people argue that the UK was formed in 1707 by the Act of Union between England, Wales and Scotland, the name United Kingdom wasn't adopted until 1801 when Ireland was brought into the union.
Whereas Wales lost its independence in 1282 when it was conquered by the English King Edward I. |
Of course that there never was a United country called Wales as you well know. Wales consisted of several areas each ruled by individual "princes" in 1216 it was recognised as "principality".
In 1283 it was conquered by Edward 1 this became know the Edwardian conquest of Wales as opposed to the Norman and Roman conquests of the area that is now Wales.
In 1536 under Henry VIII the act of union incorporation between England and Wales was passed. This in part reflected the Tudor's Welsh heritage. |  |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 08:31 - Apr 7 with 778 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:34 - Apr 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales pre-dates the UK, of course.
Although some people argue that the UK was formed in 1707 by the Act of Union between England, Wales and Scotland, the name United Kingdom wasn't adopted until 1801 when Ireland was brought into the union.
Whereas Wales lost its independence in 1282 when it was conquered by the English King Edward I. |
Wales didn’t lose its independence in 1282. It didnt had independence. Because it didn’t exist.
What you had was a cluster of petty kingdoms which had spent virtually ever waking moment since the Romans upped and left beating the living shit into each other. The area known as Wales was only ever one unified state for a very brief period of six or seven years in the early to mid 11th century. That’s it.
Gruffydd spent years conquering Wales and bringing it all under one rule just for it to be splintered back down into the petty kingdoms after his death because of the old traditional laws later codified by Hwyel Dda that everything had to be split equally amongst your children including the bastards.
Wales could not exist under these laws. Not without a lot of war, bloodshed and scheming. It was impossible to grow. |  |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 11:15 - Apr 7 with 751 views | SullutaCreturned |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:34 - Apr 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales pre-dates the UK, of course.
Although some people argue that the UK was formed in 1707 by the Act of Union between England, Wales and Scotland, the name United Kingdom wasn't adopted until 1801 when Ireland was brought into the union.
Whereas Wales lost its independence in 1282 when it was conquered by the English King Edward I. |
Wales was a Principality until what was essentially an "act of Union " in 1536 by Henry VIII. it ended the distinction between the marcher counties and the Principality.
The act stated that English law was the law of Wales and in courts only English was to be used, though that failed because too many didn't speak Englsih for a long while.
So you see, Kilkenny, Wales was never an independent country, it was a principality until it was entirely absorbed by England when it gained the name Wales as it's own region and Wales was to be represented in Parliament by 26 members.
Look it up, use google, it's quite easy!
In 1282 Wales was not a country, it was a collection of Kingdoms ruled by Welsh Princes, in other words, a Principality. | | | |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:51 - Apr 7 with 727 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 11:15 - Apr 7 by SullutaCreturned |
Wales was a Principality until what was essentially an "act of Union " in 1536 by Henry VIII. it ended the distinction between the marcher counties and the Principality.
The act stated that English law was the law of Wales and in courts only English was to be used, though that failed because too many didn't speak Englsih for a long while.
So you see, Kilkenny, Wales was never an independent country, it was a principality until it was entirely absorbed by England when it gained the name Wales as it's own region and Wales was to be represented in Parliament by 26 members.
Look it up, use google, it's quite easy!
In 1282 Wales was not a country, it was a collection of Kingdoms ruled by Welsh Princes, in other words, a Principality. |
The principality only existed at all because the princes of wales bent the knee and swore fealty to the Angevin lords. They were vassals of the king. “Prince” of course being a french word that would have come over with the Normans.
And we can also argue against the statement that “Wales was absorbed by England”. It’s very possibly the other way around. Henry Tudor was Welsh born from an ancestral welsh family and took the crown by conquest under the banner of the welsh dragon surrounded by a vanguard of ferocious welshmen. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:53 - Apr 7 with 684 views | Kilkennyjack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 08:11 - Apr 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Of course that there never was a United country called Wales as you well know. Wales consisted of several areas each ruled by individual "princes" in 1216 it was recognised as "principality".
In 1283 it was conquered by Edward 1 this became know the Edwardian conquest of Wales as opposed to the Norman and Roman conquests of the area that is now Wales.
In 1536 under Henry VIII the act of union incorporation between England and Wales was passed. This in part reflected the Tudor's Welsh heritage. |
So here is the rub ….
The people who lived in Cymru and spoke Welsh and fought each other as well as everyone else actually existed.
You cant air brush them from history just because the lived in a different way to the nations with kings and queens.
Of course they were a nation.
Its just the social constructs were different.
You are judging them by English expectations.
And you dont get to judge. |  |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:56 - Apr 7 with 677 views | Kilkennyjack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:51 - Apr 7 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The principality only existed at all because the princes of wales bent the knee and swore fealty to the Angevin lords. They were vassals of the king. “Prince” of course being a french word that would have come over with the Normans.
And we can also argue against the statement that “Wales was absorbed by England”. It’s very possibly the other way around. Henry Tudor was Welsh born from an ancestral welsh family and took the crown by conquest under the banner of the welsh dragon surrounded by a vanguard of ferocious welshmen. |
I dont care where the English word Prince comes from.
Try Tywysog. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 22:07 - Apr 7 with 640 views | Kilkennyjack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 11:15 - Apr 7 by SullutaCreturned |
Wales was a Principality until what was essentially an "act of Union " in 1536 by Henry VIII. it ended the distinction between the marcher counties and the Principality.
The act stated that English law was the law of Wales and in courts only English was to be used, though that failed because too many didn't speak Englsih for a long while.
So you see, Kilkenny, Wales was never an independent country, it was a principality until it was entirely absorbed by England when it gained the name Wales as it's own region and Wales was to be represented in Parliament by 26 members.
Look it up, use google, it's quite easy!
In 1282 Wales was not a country, it was a collection of Kingdoms ruled by Welsh Princes, in other words, a Principality. |
So Wales still exists.
You cannot absorb a nation that does not want to be absorbed.
Ask Ukraine.
You can pass a million laws in London.
It does not matter a jot.
Wales today is a nation and it always has been. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 22:42 - Apr 7 with 624 views | Ohyeah |
Lets hope the bias Police start investigating Mark " Mugabe " Drakeford and the rest of the mob for squandering millions of Welsh residents money...... | | | |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 08:18 - Apr 8 with 607 views | felixstowe_jack |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 22:07 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
So Wales still exists.
You cannot absorb a nation that does not want to be absorbed.
Ask Ukraine.
You can pass a million laws in London.
It does not matter a jot.
Wales today is a nation and it always has been. |
Yes Wales exists as part of the United Kingdom and 75% of Welsh people prefer to be part of the United Kingdom. Just as the majority of Welsh people in a 70% turnout voted to leave the EU.
The Welsh people have made their democratic decision and it time you accepted the wishes of the Welsh people. The people of UK respect the democratic process and laws made the UK Parliament.
A single Irish man does not chose the wishes of Wales.
Again not sure what this has to with Scotland and this post. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 11:35 - Apr 8 with 578 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:56 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
I dont care where the English word Prince comes from.
Try Tywysog. |
Well you should. It’s important to understand the meaning behind words and where they come from. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 11:42 - Apr 8 with 577 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 21:53 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
So here is the rub ….
The people who lived in Cymru and spoke Welsh and fought each other as well as everyone else actually existed.
You cant air brush them from history just because the lived in a different way to the nations with kings and queens.
Of course they were a nation.
Its just the social constructs were different.
You are judging them by English expectations.
And you dont get to judge. |
I’m not judging anything I’m just providing commonly accepted historical facts. The area you now know as Wales were split into several small independent fiefs. Gwynedd, Powys, Dyfed, Morgannwg etc, the list goes on and on. And they fought with each other and schemed against each other and generally hated each other for the best part of 800 years.
To rewrite history and suggest that wales was always one gloriously harmonious nation living together in perfect welshness is just factually inaccurate. | |
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| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:03 - Apr 8 with 571 views | SullutaCreturned |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 22:07 - Apr 7 by Kilkennyjack |
So Wales still exists.
You cannot absorb a nation that does not want to be absorbed.
Ask Ukraine.
You can pass a million laws in London.
It does not matter a jot.
Wales today is a nation and it always has been. |
Wales exists today but it didn't in the time you talk about.
Wales doesn't want to go indy, we don't want to leave the UK which is what matters, not your twisted view of history. | | | |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:07 - Apr 8 with 570 views | SullutaCreturned |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:51 - Apr 7 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The principality only existed at all because the princes of wales bent the knee and swore fealty to the Angevin lords. They were vassals of the king. “Prince” of course being a french word that would have come over with the Normans.
And we can also argue against the statement that “Wales was absorbed by England”. It’s very possibly the other way around. Henry Tudor was Welsh born from an ancestral welsh family and took the crown by conquest under the banner of the welsh dragon surrounded by a vanguard of ferocious welshmen. |
Given everything that's happened since I don't think we can say Wales absorbed anyone.
Prince as we use it came from French but the frnech word came from the Latin "princeps" which roughly means first person or leader.
You know what's great about history, just when you think you know quite a bit, someone comes along and gives you a bit more education, Lohengrin, Davillin and several others over the years have given me plenty of new knowledge and a lot to think about.
Then there's you, you act the clown a lot but there's clearly a lot more to you  | | | |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:25 - Apr 8 with 567 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| I wonder if she knew ? on 12:07 - Apr 8 by SullutaCreturned |
Given everything that's happened since I don't think we can say Wales absorbed anyone.
Prince as we use it came from French but the frnech word came from the Latin "princeps" which roughly means first person or leader.
You know what's great about history, just when you think you know quite a bit, someone comes along and gives you a bit more education, Lohengrin, Davillin and several others over the years have given me plenty of new knowledge and a lot to think about.
Then there's you, you act the clown a lot but there's clearly a lot more to you |
Yes funnily enough if we went by word meanings alone technically speaking a Prince should be of a higher rank than a King, or at least the same tier title. How can anyone be above the principal?
And the Bosworth thing I like to bring up for a bit of fun. It can definitely be argued that Wales conquered England that day if you look at the battle alone, particularly the finale when Richard III was according to one contemporary account set upon and hewn by a group of huge welsh men. In reality though that was just one footnote which was part of a much longer war that was very much just a power struggle between a bunch of greedy families like most wars back then.
My problem with history is when people like Kilky either romanticise it or twist it for their own ends. The harsh reality is people back then wouldn’t have given a hapenny jizz about whether they were Welsh or English or whatever. Surviving every day was a challenge. | |
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