| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:30 - Feb 9 with 8881 views | britferry |
Just watched the 4 episodes of "Murder in the Valleys"
The whole thing tries to raise doubt on Morris being guilty and tries to blame the 3 Lewis's.
Its one messed up case, from start to finish. Morris first lawyer representing the Lewis's too.
Didn't like the chief inspector saying near the start of the 4th episode "why would a police officer kill 4 people?", well somebody killed the 4, so why not a police officer, they're human too!
The 2nd conviction hinged on one crucial piece of evidence, Morris claimed to have been at Kelvin Rd on the Friday when he left the chain in the bedroom. While he was on the stand, he was quizzed about phone records, which proved he was at home and had made 2 phone calls.
And then you get a University studying the case. Alison Lewis husband Steven, claims he didnt know about the lesbian affair, if he did, then thats a perfect motive. Why wasn't the lead investigator on the night, Stuart Lewis (Alisons brother-in-law) called to the 2nd case?
Steven Lewis claims in police interviews "he was never in the house", then he says "maybe I was in there once or twice" and then "he went upstairs", "he helped Mandy make a cup of tea", he admits even went in the the Grans room and then admits he might have touched the murder weapon because he lifted a tumble dryer out the back for Mandy.
So Ok, if he didn't know his wife was having a relationship, then why was he at the house in the first place?
The witness who didn't come forward for 20 years to protect his family placing Stewart Lewis near the scene making his escape, I found that laughable.
And then finally, you have the sock with Morris DNA... wow, its screwed up, I'm still un-decided. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:32]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:40 - Feb 9 with 8861 views | jojaca |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:30 - Feb 9 by britferry |
Just watched the 4 episodes of "Murder in the Valleys"
The whole thing tries to raise doubt on Morris being guilty and tries to blame the 3 Lewis's.
Its one messed up case, from start to finish. Morris first lawyer representing the Lewis's too.
Didn't like the chief inspector saying near the start of the 4th episode "why would a police officer kill 4 people?", well somebody killed the 4, so why not a police officer, they're human too!
The 2nd conviction hinged on one crucial piece of evidence, Morris claimed to have been at Kelvin Rd on the Friday when he left the chain in the bedroom. While he was on the stand, he was quizzed about phone records, which proved he was at home and had made 2 phone calls.
And then you get a University studying the case. Alison Lewis husband Steven, claims he didnt know about the lesbian affair, if he did, then thats a perfect motive. Why wasn't the lead investigator on the night, Stuart Lewis (Alisons brother-in-law) called to the 2nd case?
Steven Lewis claims in police interviews "he was never in the house", then he says "maybe I was in there once or twice" and then "he went upstairs", "he helped Mandy make a cup of tea", he admits even went in the the Grans room and then admits he might have touched the murder weapon because he lifted a tumble dryer out the back for Mandy.
So Ok, if he didn't know his wife was having a relationship, then why was he at the house in the first place?
The witness who didn't come forward for 20 years to protect his family placing Stewart Lewis near the scene making his escape, I found that laughable.
And then finally, you have the sock with Morris DNA... wow, its screwed up, I'm still un-decided. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:32]
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I watched it all yesterday, even more confused after watching it. It would be flip of a coin for me because evidence is dodgy for both parties. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:40]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:57 - Feb 9 with 8841 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:40 - Feb 9 by jojaca |
I watched it all yesterday, even more confused after watching it. It would be flip of a coin for me because evidence is dodgy for both parties. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:40]
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The scumbag lying police done it,its a fit up.. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:58]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:01 - Feb 9 with 8833 views | britferry |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:40 - Feb 9 by jojaca |
I watched it all yesterday, even more confused after watching it. It would be flip of a coin for me because evidence is dodgy for both parties. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 17:40]
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Morris is a prolific liar and a wrong-un but does that make him a killer?
The gold chain, the phone calls and the sock does it for me but I'm not sure I could convict if the defence brought all the information thats there on the Lewis's, especially that photo-fit which looked like the Lewis twins (not the ones from Twin City btw) | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 08:29 - Feb 10 with 8720 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:01 - Feb 9 by britferry |
Morris is a prolific liar and a wrong-un but does that make him a killer?
The gold chain, the phone calls and the sock does it for me but I'm not sure I could convict if the defence brought all the information thats there on the Lewis's, especially that photo-fit which looked like the Lewis twins (not the ones from Twin City btw) |
The chain was there as he was seeing g her,the phone calls easily could get mixed up over times and they won't disclose on the sock,as for the twins apparently never been in the house but then says he moved tumble dryer touched the murder weapon when goi g to shed,Alison said heaver knew about affair or knew many so why would he be in her house and everything else..mote point to them..itsa cover up from start to finish ish | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:00 - Feb 10 with 8702 views | britferry |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 08:29 - Feb 10 by angryjack |
The chain was there as he was seeing g her,the phone calls easily could get mixed up over times and they won't disclose on the sock,as for the twins apparently never been in the house but then says he moved tumble dryer touched the murder weapon when goi g to shed,Alison said heaver knew about affair or knew many so why would he be in her house and everything else..mote point to them..itsa cover up from start to finish ish |
they had the actual phone call records, dated and timed, so no mix-up | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:20 - Feb 10 with 8685 views | majorraglan |
It’s a TV programme, the people who heard all the evidence were the jurors who convicted twice.
SWP have, over time got a fair few things wrong but I just can’t see anyone or an organisation covering up 4 murders as is being claimed. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:26 - Feb 10 with 8681 views | Wingstandwood |
This SKY series……
(1.) Did it mention the fact that burning took place in Morris’s garden on the Sunday only hours after the murders? This was witnessed! What was being burnt hey? *READ NEXT LINE!*
(2.)*Did it mention that Morris bought replacement clothing for what he had worn on the night of the murders on the Monday following that?*
(3.) Did it mention that Mandy was threatened by Morris only days before the killings took place and evidence that Mandy was the recipient of Morris's seething anger and hatred in a discussion only a matter of hours before the murders took place?
(4.) Did it mention that Mandy was so terrified of Morris that she suffered an extremely adverse physical reaction to Morris's manic-frenzied temper? Affair NOT!
(5.) Did it mention that Miss Pugh was proven in court and police investigation to be a ‘pathological liar’ and attention seeker i.e. the murder weapon/shed incident and Armageddon video stuff are LIES.
She also lied about her closeness to Mandy. Seriously she was nearly (15 years of age) twenty years younger than Mandy and only babysat her kids…..Mandy's inseparable consort? Nah Mandy's closest and others know that she was nothing of the sort! So much of a liar in fact that she stormed out of the witness box under cross examination. Says a lot!
(6.) Did it mention the fact that the witness who waited TWENTY ONE YEARS (yes TWETY ONE YEARS) to claim to have seen the Lewis brother whilst traveling in the company of three other individuals? Mention that NOT ONE of whom he was with could corroborate his story, they said they saw nobody!
(7.) Did it mention that some individual’s contribution to the SKY series ended up on the cutting room floor? Not the most useful of collaborators for a sided narrative I guess?
Etc, etc, etc, etc. On a closing note (not on Google) Morris’s inquest is scheduled to be held in (Covid situation permitting?) April and the Police and others are yet to know the cause of his death. |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 10:03 - Feb 10 with 8650 views | onehunglow |
The Police should be disbanded and let the community deal with crime. | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 10:24 - Feb 10 with 8628 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 10:03 - Feb 10 by onehunglow |
The Police should be disbanded and let the community deal with crime. |
You're an ex-cop and this site is owner also, so here's a question?
A lot of relevance/reporting has been given to a dodgy e-fit (picture memorised at the gym she attended with aforementioned cop) from an extremely unreliable witness who said she saw (wrongly accused) close to the crime scene on the night of the murders. She just could not get her story right in the courtroom!
Now if you had partaken in the murder's of two children, a bed ridden O.A.P and a young mother? Would you casually walk around a crime scene, without a care in the world and so laid back as to look straight into the gaze of an oncoming cars occupant when? You had ample time to hide behind a parked car or other scenery? Headlights and car noise are alerted to from far away that time of night and in the dark.
Would you have at the very least instinctively turned your head away, faced away to the other direction, or bent down into a lower position, faced away and pretended to tie shoe-laces etc?
*Please bear in mind the repercussions of being caught for the murders would have meant a whole life sentence and living hell (being a cop) behind bars? * [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 12:55]
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 11:23 - Feb 10 with 8570 views | onehunglow |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 10:24 - Feb 10 by Wingstandwood |
You're an ex-cop and this site is owner also, so here's a question?
A lot of relevance/reporting has been given to a dodgy e-fit (picture memorised at the gym she attended with aforementioned cop) from an extremely unreliable witness who said she saw (wrongly accused) close to the crime scene on the night of the murders. She just could not get her story right in the courtroom!
Now if you had partaken in the murder's of two children, a bed ridden O.A.P and a young mother? Would you casually walk around a crime scene, without a care in the world and so laid back as to look straight into the gaze of an oncoming cars occupant when? You had ample time to hide behind a parked car or other scenery? Headlights and car noise are alerted to from far away that time of night and in the dark.
Would you have at the very least instinctively turned your head away, faced away to the other direction, or bent down into a lower position, faced away and pretended to tie shoe-laces etc?
*Please bear in mind the repercussions of being caught for the murders would have meant a whole life sentence and living hell (being a cop) behind bars? * [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 12:55]
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I take it you believe Morris is innocent then.
What do you do for a living? | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:17 - Feb 10 with 8518 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 11:23 - Feb 10 by onehunglow |
I take it you believe Morris is innocent then.
What do you do for a living? |
Public relations!
Now is the time for closure!
https://walesnewsonline.com/ch | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:57 - Feb 10 with 8486 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 09:00 - Feb 10 by britferry |
they had the actual phone call records, dated and timed, so no mix-up |
He got mixed up where he was and what time,easily done,more evidence points at police but were not used as evidence..complete stitch up by complete corrupt force | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:04 - Feb 10 with 8476 views | raynor94 |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:57 - Feb 10 by angryjack |
He got mixed up where he was and what time,easily done,more evidence points at police but were not used as evidence..complete stitch up by complete corrupt force |
Guilty as sin, end of |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:11 - Feb 10 with 8469 views | whiterock |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 18:01 - Feb 9 by britferry |
Morris is a prolific liar and a wrong-un but does that make him a killer?
The gold chain, the phone calls and the sock does it for me but I'm not sure I could convict if the defence brought all the information thats there on the Lewis's, especially that photo-fit which looked like the Lewis twins (not the ones from Twin City btw) |
The lies doesn't help Morris, he said, its not my chain, its definitely not my chain, on my life its not my chain, I swear to god its not my chain, on my children's life its not my chain, I lost it in Sketty digging up a front patio, the police dig it up in an attempt to find chain, it wasn't found, he still denied it was his chain, then they find a fleck of green paint on the chain, the same paint that was under a few layers in Morris' kitchen, only then he says, its my chain.
Its reasonable for anyone to think that he was covering up and perhaps it had come off in a struggle, I get that 'IF' he was having an affair then he wouldn't want his GF to find out, but if you are up for 4 brutal murders then a GF finding out about an affair is the least of your worries.
Still think the police could have done a better job as this case does and always will leave a little doubt. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 13:27 - Feb 10 with 8455 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 12:57 - Feb 10 by angryjack |
He got mixed up where he was and what time,easily done,more evidence points at police but were not used as evidence..complete stitch up by complete corrupt force |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 14:08 - Feb 10 with 8416 views | controversial_jack |
SWP are know for that, they do have that reputation | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 15:04 - Feb 10 with 8402 views | whiterock |
For me, if it was a stitch up, then nearly every copper on the force would have to be in on it, which is virtually impossible and not only would they all have to be in on it, they would have to keep schtum for over 20 years, again, virtually impossible.
These coppers are human beings, ask yourself, would you cover for colleagues in what was the most barbaric evil crime known in South Wales. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 15:10 - Feb 10 with 8393 views | Dr_Winston |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 15:04 - Feb 10 by whiterock |
For me, if it was a stitch up, then nearly every copper on the force would have to be in on it, which is virtually impossible and not only would they all have to be in on it, they would have to keep schtum for over 20 years, again, virtually impossible.
These coppers are human beings, ask yourself, would you cover for colleagues in what was the most barbaric evil crime known in South Wales. |
Yep.
You'd have to accept that dozens of Police officers conspired to cover up the murder of two little children in order to protect three people who they'd spent two years investigating already, and maintained the secrecy for 20+ years.
It takes a ludicrous level of self- delusion to do that, yet somehow people manage it. |  |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 16:10 - Feb 10 with 8368 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 15:10 - Feb 10 by Dr_Winston |
Yep.
You'd have to accept that dozens of Police officers conspired to cover up the murder of two little children in order to protect three people who they'd spent two years investigating already, and maintained the secrecy for 20+ years.
It takes a ludicrous level of self- delusion to do that, yet somehow people manage it. |
It took eight cops just to perform the tedious task of going through Morris's phone records. Add to that the disconnect with the phone company, forensics, differing ranks and whistleblowing risk that would have been inevitable.
Oh and then there is the risk of instant dismissal, loss of pension, loss of reputation and imprisonment and all for someone they did not even know for a crime of that magnitude.... Conspiracy theorist's with their make-believe books and make believe thoughts hey!
And how come these accusations always come with zero proof, but there's always lots of worthless hot air and over the top melodrama i.e. cover-up, corruption, conspiracy, shady operators behind the scenes, black operation etc.
Get extra terrestrial shape shifting lizard man come ex-BBC snooker and bowls commentator David Icke on this case, he is the man! | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 16:58 - Feb 10 with 8342 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 16:10 - Feb 10 by Wingstandwood |
It took eight cops just to perform the tedious task of going through Morris's phone records. Add to that the disconnect with the phone company, forensics, differing ranks and whistleblowing risk that would have been inevitable.
Oh and then there is the risk of instant dismissal, loss of pension, loss of reputation and imprisonment and all for someone they did not even know for a crime of that magnitude.... Conspiracy theorist's with their make-believe books and make believe thoughts hey!
And how come these accusations always come with zero proof, but there's always lots of worthless hot air and over the top melodrama i.e. cover-up, corruption, conspiracy, shady operators behind the scenes, black operation etc.
Get extra terrestrial shape shifting lizard man come ex-BBC snooker and bowls commentator David Icke on this case, he is the man! |
By that logic, we should have no miscarriages of justice, no police cover ups and no fraud. But we do. | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:32 - Feb 10 with 8317 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 16:58 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack |
By that logic, we should have no miscarriages of justice, no police cover ups and no fraud. But we do. |
I am talking specifically about THIS particular case where the guilty verdict came from forensics, phone date analysis, witness statements and police interrogation, whereupon every piece of the prosecutions evidence fitted together perfectly.
THIS investigation would have been impossible to fall to wrongdoing of conspiracy theory machination. Too many moving parts, too many people involved and too much overwhelming damning evidence presented. And THIS particular case was not one where the GUITY verdict arrived by means of a supergrass or dubious confession! | |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:39 - Feb 10 with 8304 views | controversial_jack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:32 - Feb 10 by Wingstandwood |
I am talking specifically about THIS particular case where the guilty verdict came from forensics, phone date analysis, witness statements and police interrogation, whereupon every piece of the prosecutions evidence fitted together perfectly.
THIS investigation would have been impossible to fall to wrongdoing of conspiracy theory machination. Too many moving parts, too many people involved and too much overwhelming damning evidence presented. And THIS particular case was not one where the GUITY verdict arrived by means of a supergrass or dubious confession! |
i've read the book and various literature, and the verdict was very strange to me | | | |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:40 - Feb 10 with 8292 views | angryjack |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:39 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack |
i've read the book and various literature, and the verdict was very strange to me |
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| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:48 - Feb 10 with 8273 views | Wingstandwood |
| Clydach Murders on Sky Crime on 17:39 - Feb 10 by controversial_jack |
i've read the book and various literature, and the verdict was very strange to me |
That author that you do not seem to know much about, along with the LIES in the book! Aye why not rewrite history and what the court stenographer/reporter wrote down. That should help the case!  | |
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