| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 11:12 - Mar 2 with 1423 views | controversial_jack |
It can't all be blamed on the system.Recent experience with domestic abuse has shown me, the police don't follow up on reports, they don't communicate with each other, their record keeping is terrible, and dare I say it, they often get their facts wrong. That's not systemic, it's behavioural. It wouldn't do for employees of private companies, they would be disciplined. |  | |  |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 13:03 - Mar 2 with 1387 views | onehunglow |
It kills the lie Conservatives are the party of law and order.
May damaged the whole system forever. | |
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| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 19:00 - Mar 2 with 1330 views | KeithHaynes |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 11:12 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
It can't all be blamed on the system.Recent experience with domestic abuse has shown me, the police don't follow up on reports, they don't communicate with each other, their record keeping is terrible, and dare I say it, they often get their facts wrong. That's not systemic, it's behavioural. It wouldn't do for employees of private companies, they would be disciplined. |
Why bother then. |  |
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| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 19:06 - Mar 2 with 1311 views | onehunglow |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 19:00 - Mar 2 by KeithHaynes |
Why bother then. |
That was from the heart Keith.
We both got out in time
I pity the lads on the front line now
Public is not worthy though ,frankly.
Police Service as it stands is shameful and every politician over the past 40 years stands damned
At least we managed to crack some heads  | |
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| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 20:59 - Mar 2 with 1288 views | controversial_jack |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 19:00 - Mar 2 by KeithHaynes |
Why bother then. |
I ask myself that | | | |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 22:59 - Mar 2 with 1258 views | majorraglan |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 11:12 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
It can't all be blamed on the system.Recent experience with domestic abuse has shown me, the police don't follow up on reports, they don't communicate with each other, their record keeping is terrible, and dare I say it, they often get their facts wrong. That's not systemic, it's behavioural. It wouldn't do for employees of private companies, they would be disciplined. |
A lot of the ills facing the police can most certainly attributed to the government and the system. Theresa May oversaw wholesale cuts to policing, officer numbers and budgets were cut. She also oversaw the introduction of some pretty poor legislative changes, one being the Bail Act, there were also disastrous changes to the probation service, the Courts have been savaged and barristers etc have had their payments cut. On top of that, the legal aid bill has been cut severely. If you’re an unemployed waster you’ll get legal aide, but if your working and in the wrong place at the wrong time you’ll pay for your representation and if it’s in Crown Court it’s going to be expensive!
Boris is reversing the cut in numbers, but while officer numbers are going up the budgets aren’t and South Wales Police are facing a £20.5m budget shortfall next year. A 7.4% increase in the precept is planned, however that will still mean a £9m shortfall which in all likelihood is going to mean a reduction in police staff numbers. So, the $64m question is who will end up doing the work the police staff currently do? Umm, yes you guessed it ….cops. The new cops who should be bolstering the existing numbers will end up replacing the ones taken away to do the police staff jobs and we’ll be no better off. It’s complete BS and smoke and mirrors from the Government.
It’s not surprising you’ve had a poor service. Whilst there are always going to be some less capable and motivated officers, my personal experience is that most want to a good job. Officers aren’t going to work to do a crap job and put themselves at risk of a disciplinary and the sack. I genuinely believe in most cases it’s not deliberate but that’s is down to the fact they’re under so much pressure and run ragged. Imagine rocking up for work and having a pile of work waiting for you, and then calls start stacking up where people are at risk, the work is shoved to the side and off they go to the call. Years ago, officers saw things through from start to finish, these days response officers who turn up at calls, deal with it, if they nick someone they’ll put them in the cells for someone else to deal with while they crack on with the next call.
I’d say the police are amongst the most accountable people in the U.K, they have a code of conduct which is enforced through Professional Standards Departments, there is also the IOPC and cops are subject to the law of the land like the rest of us, over and above that there are performance regulations.
I’m terms of the guy on the radio clip, he’s 100% right as were the Police Federation calling out May back in the day. I know a few cops, neighbourhood policing has gone, good officers are bailing out as soon as they can and in some cases we have the inexperienced leading the inexperienced. We also have quite a few poor senior officers in charge at the highest level, who could possibly go wrong eh? [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 23:09]
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| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 09:03 - Mar 3 with 1201 views | onehunglow |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 22:59 - Mar 2 by majorraglan |
A lot of the ills facing the police can most certainly attributed to the government and the system. Theresa May oversaw wholesale cuts to policing, officer numbers and budgets were cut. She also oversaw the introduction of some pretty poor legislative changes, one being the Bail Act, there were also disastrous changes to the probation service, the Courts have been savaged and barristers etc have had their payments cut. On top of that, the legal aid bill has been cut severely. If you’re an unemployed waster you’ll get legal aide, but if your working and in the wrong place at the wrong time you’ll pay for your representation and if it’s in Crown Court it’s going to be expensive!
Boris is reversing the cut in numbers, but while officer numbers are going up the budgets aren’t and South Wales Police are facing a £20.5m budget shortfall next year. A 7.4% increase in the precept is planned, however that will still mean a £9m shortfall which in all likelihood is going to mean a reduction in police staff numbers. So, the $64m question is who will end up doing the work the police staff currently do? Umm, yes you guessed it ….cops. The new cops who should be bolstering the existing numbers will end up replacing the ones taken away to do the police staff jobs and we’ll be no better off. It’s complete BS and smoke and mirrors from the Government.
It’s not surprising you’ve had a poor service. Whilst there are always going to be some less capable and motivated officers, my personal experience is that most want to a good job. Officers aren’t going to work to do a crap job and put themselves at risk of a disciplinary and the sack. I genuinely believe in most cases it’s not deliberate but that’s is down to the fact they’re under so much pressure and run ragged. Imagine rocking up for work and having a pile of work waiting for you, and then calls start stacking up where people are at risk, the work is shoved to the side and off they go to the call. Years ago, officers saw things through from start to finish, these days response officers who turn up at calls, deal with it, if they nick someone they’ll put them in the cells for someone else to deal with while they crack on with the next call.
I’d say the police are amongst the most accountable people in the U.K, they have a code of conduct which is enforced through Professional Standards Departments, there is also the IOPC and cops are subject to the law of the land like the rest of us, over and above that there are performance regulations.
I’m terms of the guy on the radio clip, he’s 100% right as were the Police Federation calling out May back in the day. I know a few cops, neighbourhood policing has gone, good officers are bailing out as soon as they can and in some cases we have the inexperienced leading the inexperienced. We also have quite a few poor senior officers in charge at the highest level, who could possibly go wrong eh? [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 23:09]
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My son in law was at that conference .
She is toxic
Cruelly dismissive of great people | |
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| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 10:38 - Mar 3 with 1187 views | controversial_jack |
| Police. What it’s really like . Essential listening on 22:59 - Mar 2 by majorraglan |
A lot of the ills facing the police can most certainly attributed to the government and the system. Theresa May oversaw wholesale cuts to policing, officer numbers and budgets were cut. She also oversaw the introduction of some pretty poor legislative changes, one being the Bail Act, there were also disastrous changes to the probation service, the Courts have been savaged and barristers etc have had their payments cut. On top of that, the legal aid bill has been cut severely. If you’re an unemployed waster you’ll get legal aide, but if your working and in the wrong place at the wrong time you’ll pay for your representation and if it’s in Crown Court it’s going to be expensive!
Boris is reversing the cut in numbers, but while officer numbers are going up the budgets aren’t and South Wales Police are facing a £20.5m budget shortfall next year. A 7.4% increase in the precept is planned, however that will still mean a £9m shortfall which in all likelihood is going to mean a reduction in police staff numbers. So, the $64m question is who will end up doing the work the police staff currently do? Umm, yes you guessed it ….cops. The new cops who should be bolstering the existing numbers will end up replacing the ones taken away to do the police staff jobs and we’ll be no better off. It’s complete BS and smoke and mirrors from the Government.
It’s not surprising you’ve had a poor service. Whilst there are always going to be some less capable and motivated officers, my personal experience is that most want to a good job. Officers aren’t going to work to do a crap job and put themselves at risk of a disciplinary and the sack. I genuinely believe in most cases it’s not deliberate but that’s is down to the fact they’re under so much pressure and run ragged. Imagine rocking up for work and having a pile of work waiting for you, and then calls start stacking up where people are at risk, the work is shoved to the side and off they go to the call. Years ago, officers saw things through from start to finish, these days response officers who turn up at calls, deal with it, if they nick someone they’ll put them in the cells for someone else to deal with while they crack on with the next call.
I’d say the police are amongst the most accountable people in the U.K, they have a code of conduct which is enforced through Professional Standards Departments, there is also the IOPC and cops are subject to the law of the land like the rest of us, over and above that there are performance regulations.
I’m terms of the guy on the radio clip, he’s 100% right as were the Police Federation calling out May back in the day. I know a few cops, neighbourhood policing has gone, good officers are bailing out as soon as they can and in some cases we have the inexperienced leading the inexperienced. We also have quite a few poor senior officers in charge at the highest level, who could possibly go wrong eh? [Post edited 2 Mar 2023 23:09]
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That all may be true, but in my experience, they aren't getting the basics right. They don't seem to keep records or communicate with each other. Officers don't seem to know what has happened on a previous shift.There's no follow up, no feedback on incidents.These are all basic elements of any shift workers job.
As for accountability, i'm not sure the IOPC is up to the job. Isn't that staffed by mostly ex police officers?
Thought I would add this to illustrate my point. It's not the system it's their attitudes and lack of professionalism
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/cardiff-crash-mum-of-victim-says-police-werent-bothere [Post edited 6 Mar 2023 16:53]
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