| FLA March Today 22:00 - Oct 7 with 17535 views | Rangersw12 |
Anyone from here go ?
Decent turn out from Rangers and a very peaceful march considering must have been 15k + |  | | |  |
| FLA March Today on 00:04 - Oct 9 with 2956 views | smegma |
| FLA March Today on 23:26 - Oct 8 by FDC |
Tommy Robinson is involved in organising this. It's a front group for the remnants of the EDL / NWI etc in the same way that Unite Against Fascism was a front for SWP.
Edit: Socialist Workers Party, not Shaun Wight Philips, obviously! [Post edited 8 Oct 2017 23:33]
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No he isn't. He used it for his own agenda. | | | |
| FLA March Today on 01:19 - Oct 9 with 2901 views | Boston |
| FLA March Today on 21:58 - Oct 8 by Northernr |
Not really, as it ties up police who are already being forced to work ridiculous, unsafe hours and having leave/days off cancelled for weeks on end because of the terrorist threat and cuts. They don't need to be called in, yet again, on a Saturday, on top of everything else, for this.
What's it trying to achieve? Everybody apart from the extremists is against extremism, what does marching against it actually do? I'm geneuinely curious about this. It's like having a march in favour of Dairy Milk, or warm days, or cold beer - it's like the No Sht Sherlock March. |
C'mon sir, surely that sentiment could be applied to most marches in London😳 [Post edited 9 Oct 2017 1:20]
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| FLA March Today on 03:56 - Oct 9 with 2863 views | FDC |
| FLA March Today on 00:04 - Oct 9 by smegma |
No he isn't. He used it for his own agenda. |
His own agenda presumably being to recruit football supporter hard men to the far-right street movement, having had their arse handed to them a lot over the past couple of years. But if that isn't the intended agenda of FLA, then what is?
A to B marches are a show of numbers, either to make a demand (e.g. don't bomb Iraq, do / don't allow a Catalan break-away), to intimidate another group into staying off the streets, or to embolden other people to join the movement. I cant see how a load of football supporters saying "we disapprove of terrorism" fits into the first category. It's clearly the latter two, an attempt to mobilise more people to take part in a far-right rally then would do so under a more explicit banner, but are happy to do so when identifying as "football lads" (which is a really fùcking lame moniker by the way). |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 06:38 - Oct 9 with 2836 views | distortR |
| FLA March Today on 03:56 - Oct 9 by FDC |
His own agenda presumably being to recruit football supporter hard men to the far-right street movement, having had their arse handed to them a lot over the past couple of years. But if that isn't the intended agenda of FLA, then what is?
A to B marches are a show of numbers, either to make a demand (e.g. don't bomb Iraq, do / don't allow a Catalan break-away), to intimidate another group into staying off the streets, or to embolden other people to join the movement. I cant see how a load of football supporters saying "we disapprove of terrorism" fits into the first category. It's clearly the latter two, an attempt to mobilise more people to take part in a far-right rally then would do so under a more explicit banner, but are happy to do so when identifying as "football lads" (which is a really fùcking lame moniker by the way). |
Point of detail, "We are the Ranger's boys", which surely excludes us from the FLA?
Have to set up the FBA.
FLA? Quitters! | | | |
| FLA March Today on 08:06 - Oct 9 with 2779 views | Rangersw12 |
| FLA March Today on 22:32 - Oct 8 by Northernr |
I'm sure. Doesn't answer the question though: what we trying to achieve here? |
For me it was a show of defiance that people will not be scared about extremisism
The bigger picture is to get the silent majority onside so the government change how they deal with extremisism
For example anybody known to go to fight for Isis automatically get their passport revoked and they are banned from re-entering the UK | | | |
| FLA March Today on 08:29 - Oct 9 with 2758 views | smegma |
| FLA March Today on 03:56 - Oct 9 by FDC |
His own agenda presumably being to recruit football supporter hard men to the far-right street movement, having had their arse handed to them a lot over the past couple of years. But if that isn't the intended agenda of FLA, then what is?
A to B marches are a show of numbers, either to make a demand (e.g. don't bomb Iraq, do / don't allow a Catalan break-away), to intimidate another group into staying off the streets, or to embolden other people to join the movement. I cant see how a load of football supporters saying "we disapprove of terrorism" fits into the first category. It's clearly the latter two, an attempt to mobilise more people to take part in a far-right rally then would do so under a more explicit banner, but are happy to do so when identifying as "football lads" (which is a really fùcking lame moniker by the way). |
You seem to be under the misapprehension that I'm for the FLA. I think it's utter nonsense. From the stupid name to the fact that a lot of the blokes from England away games I've seen in the photos I know that are far right activists. The turn out may have been impressive BUT it would've been better if they had supported Non League Day on Saturday instead, after all with their moniker they claim to be football fans . Both marches have taken place on international weekend. The first one attracted about 5,000. Following that one, their FB page became an exercise in outdoing each other as more teams fans claimed to be bringing 500, 600, 1,000 even.
And going by the comments in the last week, expect similar announcements along the lines of the Judean People's Front what with all the arguments on FB.
As for 'Tommy Robinson', he was told his presence wasn't required but he showed up with a TV crew anyway. [Post edited 9 Oct 2017 8:30]
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| FLA March Today on 08:30 - Oct 9 with 2757 views | BushRanger82 |
I didn't go.
A pointless waste of time that achieves nothing. |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 08:31 - Oct 9 with 2752 views | smegma |
| FLA March Today on 08:30 - Oct 9 by BushRanger82 |
I didn't go.
A pointless waste of time that achieves nothing. |
And politics and football shouldn't mix. | | | |
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| FLA March Today on 09:39 - Oct 9 with 2681 views | Northernr |
| FLA March Today on 01:19 - Oct 9 by Boston |
C'mon sir, surely that sentiment could be applied to most marches in London😳 [Post edited 9 Oct 2017 1:20]
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Sometimes, but not really. I see the point of marching on parliament over a war, or a policy, or pay and conditions in public sector work, or cuts to emergency services, because you're marching towards the place and people who are making those decisions and showing you're angry with them. Here they're just marching around about something everybody agrees with, causing zero impact and affect on the people who are causing it surely?
As I say above, one of the big problems we have in this country is that as the extremist threat has increased, so police funding and numbers have decreased. Whenever a politician comes out and says "we have extra officers on the streets" in the wake of one of these attacks, they don't mean extra officers at all, they mean officers who've been called in from other areas (robbing Peter to pay Paul), officers called in on rest days, officers called in for a day shift after they've just worked a night. Huge cut backs in neighbourhood policing, local police stations, means less/worse intelligence on the ground about odd things taking place in lock up garages or blocks of flats or houses on quiet residential streets where all of these bombs, plots and attacks are planned and built.
I don't expect the FLA to have much time for the police, given how appallingly we've all been treated at football at one time or another, but if this is about somehow combatting extremism I don't see how giving the police something else to cope with helps at all. Quite the opposite. |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 09:47 - Oct 9 with 2664 views | daveB |
big problem with it all is that regardless of what the march is about the connotation will be football fans marching against extremism must mean it's a march against muslims and will be written off as a bunch of racists looking for trouble. That's not what it is about at all but ask the average non football fan about this and I bet that would be their reaction.
I got a flyer about the march last week and the sentiment behind the march is very good, I agreed with 90% of what they said on the flyer but I don't think it will have much of an impact as they will be quickly infiltrated by the far right and it will turn into something very different. |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 09:54 - Oct 9 with 2653 views | NW5Hoop |
The far right were involved from the beginning. | | | |
| FLA March Today on 10:10 - Oct 9 with 2628 views | BushRanger82 |
| FLA March Today on 08:31 - Oct 9 by smegma |
And politics and football shouldn't mix. |
Absolutely.
Always tends to look ugly when it does. | | | |
| FLA March Today on 10:51 - Oct 9 with 2588 views | loftboy |
| FLA March Today on 10:10 - Oct 9 by BushRanger82 |
Absolutely.
Always tends to look ugly when it does. |
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| FLA March Today on 11:49 - Oct 9 with 2532 views | SydneyRs |
| FLA March Today on 09:39 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
Sometimes, but not really. I see the point of marching on parliament over a war, or a policy, or pay and conditions in public sector work, or cuts to emergency services, because you're marching towards the place and people who are making those decisions and showing you're angry with them. Here they're just marching around about something everybody agrees with, causing zero impact and affect on the people who are causing it surely?
As I say above, one of the big problems we have in this country is that as the extremist threat has increased, so police funding and numbers have decreased. Whenever a politician comes out and says "we have extra officers on the streets" in the wake of one of these attacks, they don't mean extra officers at all, they mean officers who've been called in from other areas (robbing Peter to pay Paul), officers called in on rest days, officers called in for a day shift after they've just worked a night. Huge cut backs in neighbourhood policing, local police stations, means less/worse intelligence on the ground about odd things taking place in lock up garages or blocks of flats or houses on quiet residential streets where all of these bombs, plots and attacks are planned and built.
I don't expect the FLA to have much time for the police, given how appallingly we've all been treated at football at one time or another, but if this is about somehow combatting extremism I don't see how giving the police something else to cope with helps at all. Quite the opposite. |
Agree with this, there's absolutely no point to it because nobody actually knows who is making decisions to carry out attacks and they aren't going to be deterred by a bunch of ageing skinheads having a day out. Maybe that's a bit harsh as I'm sure plenty of decent people were there but you can have no doubt that foreigner hating knuckleheads would have been well represented. The type who thought the brexit vote would result in a white English 1950s style utopia where you could leave your front door open, sing songs around the joanna and eat lard for dinner.
Its all a bit embarrassing and will achieve nothing. As you were. | | | |
| FLA March Today on 12:11 - Oct 9 with 2500 views | robith |
I've nothing to add except Football Lads Alliance is possibly the worst name I've heard for anything, ever |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 12:11 - Oct 9 with 2498 views | Brightonhoop |
Interesting how we read things differently.
I thought it was interesting that potentially violent groups from different clubs were able to set differences aside and walk together without incident, in a bid to persuade others to cease violence. As with many things it has lost its impact second or third time around. And may be invaribly hijacked by other agendas. But it was impressive first time out. |  | | |
| FLA March Today on 12:27 - Oct 9 with 2471 views | Mick_S |
| FLA March Today on 10:51 - Oct 9 by loftboy |
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That's Tommy Vance. |  |
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| FLA March Today on 12:34 - Oct 9 with 2445 views | FDC |
| FLA March Today on 09:47 - Oct 9 by daveB |
big problem with it all is that regardless of what the march is about the connotation will be football fans marching against extremism must mean it's a march against muslims and will be written off as a bunch of racists looking for trouble. That's not what it is about at all but ask the average non football fan about this and I bet that would be their reaction.
I got a flyer about the march last week and the sentiment behind the march is very good, I agreed with 90% of what they said on the flyer but I don't think it will have much of an impact as they will be quickly infiltrated by the far right and it will turn into something very different. |
Bit naive that Dave. Of course the flyer will be appealing. It's a flyer. But it's a front group for the far-right. | | | |
| FLA March Today (n/t) on 13:38 - Oct 9 with 2357 views | Hayesender |
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| FLA March Today on 14:06 - Oct 9 with 2301 views | paulparker |
| FLA March Today on 12:34 - Oct 9 by FDC |
Bit naive that Dave. Of course the flyer will be appealing. It's a flyer. But it's a front group for the far-right. |
How do you know ? have you read the leaflet ? did you go on the march ?
were all of the thousands there far right ? do they all vote BNP, Conservative or UKIP in the last election
are you also calling the ex servicemen there far right also ? pretty disgraceful if you are
pretty narrow minded views but I expect nothing else off you , anything you disagree with is far right
perhaps it would have been all right if they turned up mob handed and sang "oh Jeremy Corbin" hundreds of times over or pelted eggs at conservative MPs |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| FLA March Today on 15:26 - Oct 9 with 2237 views | daveB |
| FLA March Today on 12:34 - Oct 9 by FDC |
Bit naive that Dave. Of course the flyer will be appealing. It's a flyer. But it's a front group for the far-right. |
if you say so, it may well become that but from what I read the reasons given for the march were nothing like that | | | |
| FLA March Today on 15:35 - Oct 9 with 2212 views | kensalriser |
If they're so concerned about extremism perhaps they should join the Liberal Democrats. |  |
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| FLA March Today on 18:19 - Oct 9 with 2131 views | FDC |
| FLA March Today on 14:06 - Oct 9 by paulparker |
How do you know ? have you read the leaflet ? did you go on the march ?
were all of the thousands there far right ? do they all vote BNP, Conservative or UKIP in the last election
are you also calling the ex servicemen there far right also ? pretty disgraceful if you are
pretty narrow minded views but I expect nothing else off you , anything you disagree with is far right
perhaps it would have been all right if they turned up mob handed and sang "oh Jeremy Corbin" hundreds of times over or pelted eggs at conservative MPs |
Note, saying a group is a front isn't the same as saying that everyone attending their demos buy in to far-right views. In fact what I said was that this is about trying to draw people into that movement who wouldn't usually identify with it.
No, I don't call everything I disagree with "far right". Why so sensitive?
Incidentally there are plenty of photos from FLA demo of people doing Nazi salutes etc so what I'm saying isn't particularly controversial | | | |
| FLA March Today on 18:26 - Oct 9 with 2122 views | Rangersw12 |
| FLA March Today on 18:19 - Oct 9 by FDC |
Note, saying a group is a front isn't the same as saying that everyone attending their demos buy in to far-right views. In fact what I said was that this is about trying to draw people into that movement who wouldn't usually identify with it.
No, I don't call everything I disagree with "far right". Why so sensitive?
Incidentally there are plenty of photos from FLA demo of people doing Nazi salutes etc so what I'm saying isn't particularly controversial |
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| FLA March Today on 19:00 - Oct 9 with 2077 views | NW5Hoop |
| FLA March Today on 14:06 - Oct 9 by paulparker |
How do you know ? have you read the leaflet ? did you go on the march ?
were all of the thousands there far right ? do they all vote BNP, Conservative or UKIP in the last election
are you also calling the ex servicemen there far right also ? pretty disgraceful if you are
pretty narrow minded views but I expect nothing else off you , anything you disagree with is far right
perhaps it would have been all right if they turned up mob handed and sang "oh Jeremy Corbin" hundreds of times over or pelted eggs at conservative MPs |
Of course not everyone who went on it is far right. But a number of far right figures are among the organisers of the FLA, and they gain legitimacy by saying they got thousands of ordinary people to march with them. They don't shout out "Hey, we're neo-Nazis" because they want lots of people to turn up. And then they announce the march is against "extremism". The problem is, it's a dog whistle. It gives them deniability, but we all know what that means is "Islam", and a load of the people behind this are against Islam full stop, not just terrorism. They're the people warning of the non-existent threat of sharia law in our cities. It doesn't mean extremist vegetarians, or extremist rightwingers, or extremist hunt saboteurs.
Being the organisers behind a mass movement that's ostensibly protesting against something non-partisan is a common tactic on both far left and far right. The biggest mass movement of recent years, the Stop the War Coalition, was dominated orgasitionally by the far left, which was why their marches had tens of thousands of marchers carrying Socialist Workers Party banners without even realising they were doing so. | | | |
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