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Ealing Council have proposed new sports facilities on the site and 2500+ people went to protest the planning meeting last night.
Thank goodness we walked away.
Jeez thank god the owners had the intelligence to realise it was never going to happen, they tried really hard but with opposition like that we would of still been in court today. Apparently we are owned by the richest people on the planet which is laughable, certainly not compared to the Premiership clubs and if they looked at our clubs finances for one minute they would see a different story. They can demonstrate all they want but sooner or later something will be built there and they may well then view a football training ground as the lesser of the two evils and do they really get Skylarks in West London.
I'd be checking the hard drives of a few of those weirdos
I'm one of those weirdos Hayes - although my hard drive is way too dull to be of interest to the authorities.
It's not just about the Skylarks, there's a hidden agenda and possible conflicts of interest. Ealing Council is pretty rotten and need to be held to account and the weirdos are doing just that.
Jeez thank god the owners had the intelligence to realise it was never going to happen, they tried really hard but with opposition like that we would of still been in court today. Apparently we are owned by the richest people on the planet which is laughable, certainly not compared to the Premiership clubs and if they looked at our clubs finances for one minute they would see a different story. They can demonstrate all they want but sooner or later something will be built there and they may well then view a football training ground as the lesser of the two evils and do they really get Skylarks in West London.
I'm one of those weirdos Hayes - although my hard drive is way too dull to be of interest to the authorities.
It's not just about the Skylarks, there's a hidden agenda and possible conflicts of interest. Ealing Council is pretty rotten and need to be held to account and the weirdos are doing just that.
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Plenty of general accusations without much substance there.
I'm one of those weirdos Hayes - although my hard drive is way too dull to be of interest to the authorities.
It's not just about the Skylarks, there's a hidden agenda and possible conflicts of interest. Ealing Council is pretty rotten and need to be held to account and the weirdos are doing just that.
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was historically sports facilities, so should be able to remain that for the community, if nothing else.
you can dig your heels in all you want, but with the shortage of housing at some point they'll attract the wild life to a nearby safe haven, and then you'll get a massive housing estate with all the traffic and disruption that goes with it forever more. If people want to live in the countryside they should go live there. Having sports facilities disrupts f'all for the residents - there are plenty of places to walk your dog around there. A single digit % of those people are doing it for the wildlife, and they'll wish they'd thought beyond the moment
Plenty of general accusations without much substance there.
Without substance....I'm sure Private Eye had a feature if not a regular column about corruption (sic) / strange decisions by LB of Ealing's Planning Department (eg London's 13th tallest tower or something similar being built on a traffic island outside North Acton Tube Station) .
Latest example being comms over Christmas that they intended to change the protected status of Metropolitan Open Land within their soon to be updated Local Plan.
I am not a planning consultant but led to believe this is so Ealing Council and their pet (sic) Development Partners can redevelop sites such a Warren Farm for very profitable 'social' housing.
I think the above would explain why 2500 people turned up, not just for Warren Farm, but they see the big picture with Ealing Council and turned out en-masse to challenge them as Warren Farm today, public golf courses, cricket and football pitches tomorrow.
was historically sports facilities, so should be able to remain that for the community, if nothing else.
you can dig your heels in all you want, but with the shortage of housing at some point they'll attract the wild life to a nearby safe haven, and then you'll get a massive housing estate with all the traffic and disruption that goes with it forever more. If people want to live in the countryside they should go live there. Having sports facilities disrupts f'all for the residents - there are plenty of places to walk your dog around there. A single digit % of those people are doing it for the wildlife, and they'll wish they'd thought beyond the moment
Yes golborne, you’re quite right, it was sports facilities - I used to play football over there in the early 90’s. The council failed to invest, 11-a-side was in decline, I went to playing 5-a-side on an all weather pitch, where you could shower and have a crap if you needed it. This was a far more enticing offer than the neglected and unloved local authority run facilities. In the intervening years, where only QPR showed any interest it has become wild again and it’s enjoyed by many people from all around.
I don’t want to live in the country mate, I quite like it in Hanwell and the open spaces it offers.
If you do a quick google you’ll see why people are resisting this, Ealing council are waving through high density housing which residents aren’t happy about, but it’s about balance and holding authorities to account.
I’m happy to go on but I’ve a suspicion you’re probably not that interested.
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was historically sports facilities, so should be able to remain that for the community, if nothing else.
you can dig your heels in all you want, but with the shortage of housing at some point they'll attract the wild life to a nearby safe haven, and then you'll get a massive housing estate with all the traffic and disruption that goes with it forever more. If people want to live in the countryside they should go live there. Having sports facilities disrupts f'all for the residents - there are plenty of places to walk your dog around there. A single digit % of those people are doing it for the wildlife, and they'll wish they'd thought beyond the moment
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(No subject) (n/t) on 19:27 - Feb 23 with 3514 views
was historically sports facilities, so should be able to remain that for the community, if nothing else.
you can dig your heels in all you want, but with the shortage of housing at some point they'll attract the wild life to a nearby safe haven, and then you'll get a massive housing estate with all the traffic and disruption that goes with it forever more. If people want to live in the countryside they should go live there. Having sports facilities disrupts f'all for the residents - there are plenty of places to walk your dog around there. A single digit % of those people are doing it for the wildlife, and they'll wish they'd thought beyond the moment
Yes golborne, you’re quite right, it was sports facilities - I used to play football over there in the early 90’s. The council failed to invest, 11-a-side was in decline, I went to playing 5-a-side on an all weather pitch, where you could shower and have a crap if you needed it. This was a far more enticing offer than the neglected and unloved local authority run facilities. In the intervening years, where only QPR showed any interest it has become wild again and it’s enjoyed by many people from all around.
I don’t want to live in the country mate, I quite like it in Hanwell and the open spaces it offers.
If you do a quick google you’ll see why people are resisting this, Ealing council are waving through high density housing which residents aren’t happy about, but it’s about balance and holding authorities to account.
I’m happy to go on but I’ve a suspicion you’re probably not that interested.
Where I'm coming from is that if people hadn't been so short sighted when we went for it, then they wouldn't be faced with housing. Choose your battles / Won the battle at the cost of loosing the war etc etc Ultimately, planning laws have changed in recent decades and they're only gonna get more brutal - look what they've done to the river views of our beautiful and historic city. feck all will be sacred before long and as i say, we all have to choose our battles when it comes to planning - you're potentially only kicking the can down a darker road...
Yes golborne, you’re quite right, it was sports facilities - I used to play football over there in the early 90’s. The council failed to invest, 11-a-side was in decline, I went to playing 5-a-side on an all weather pitch, where you could shower and have a crap if you needed it. This was a far more enticing offer than the neglected and unloved local authority run facilities. In the intervening years, where only QPR showed any interest it has become wild again and it’s enjoyed by many people from all around.
I don’t want to live in the country mate, I quite like it in Hanwell and the open spaces it offers.
If you do a quick google you’ll see why people are resisting this, Ealing council are waving through high density housing which residents aren’t happy about, but it’s about balance and holding authorities to account.
I’m happy to go on but I’ve a suspicion you’re probably not that interested.
ASB often had the joys of playing at Warren Farm and yeah the facilities were fairly facking awful - you wouldn't shower there for fear of getting gangrene or worse. And of course the pitches were massively exposed so you nearly always had a gale force wind blowing straight down the pitch. Made goal kicks, etc. interesting...
Without substance....I'm sure Private Eye had a feature if not a regular column about corruption (sic) / strange decisions by LB of Ealing's Planning Department (eg London's 13th tallest tower or something similar being built on a traffic island outside North Acton Tube Station) .
Latest example being comms over Christmas that they intended to change the protected status of Metropolitan Open Land within their soon to be updated Local Plan.
I am not a planning consultant but led to believe this is so Ealing Council and their pet (sic) Development Partners can redevelop sites such a Warren Farm for very profitable 'social' housing.
I think the above would explain why 2500 people turned up, not just for Warren Farm, but they see the big picture with Ealing Council and turned out en-masse to challenge them as Warren Farm today, public golf courses, cricket and football pitches tomorrow.
Well done W7R, plenty of substance alright!
Sorry but I have little to no sympathy for protestors now. They had the chance to keep it green when QPR wanted to build its training ground there but they objected because these folk think they have the right to walk anywhere. I've lost count of the number of 7-irons I've aimed at dog walkers who think they have a divine right to amble through local golf courses. Protestors were warned about the consequences of opposing QPR's plan and those consequences will happen sooner or later, be it apartments, offices, supermarket or other such structures. As we said at the time, be careful what you wish for!
Yes golborne, you’re quite right, it was sports facilities - I used to play football over there in the early 90’s. The council failed to invest, 11-a-side was in decline, I went to playing 5-a-side on an all weather pitch, where you could shower and have a crap if you needed it. This was a far more enticing offer than the neglected and unloved local authority run facilities. In the intervening years, where only QPR showed any interest it has become wild again and it’s enjoyed by many people from all around.
I don’t want to live in the country mate, I quite like it in Hanwell and the open spaces it offers.
If you do a quick google you’ll see why people are resisting this, Ealing council are waving through high density housing which residents aren’t happy about, but it’s about balance and holding authorities to account.
I’m happy to go on but I’ve a suspicion you’re probably not that interested.
If your mob hadn't opposed QPR's training ground then today it would be acres of green land, and there would be no plans for high density housing today. You had your chance, and you blew it!
If your mob hadn't opposed QPR's training ground then today it would be acres of green land, and there would be no plans for high density housing today. You had your chance, and you blew it!
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Yep. I hope they build thousands of houses on every available inch of land on there after they stopped us building a training ground on there whilst leaving the rest as green space.
Also a quick reminder of what those morons wanted protected:
Yep. I hope they build thousands of houses on every available inch of land on there after they stopped us building a training ground on there whilst leaving the rest as green space.
Also a quick reminder of what those morons wanted protected:
This is the bit I never got about the protests - if that bit looks like that now, why can't it be developed? Wouldn't that be a good thing. Leave the fields as fields, develop the shithole bit as a new sports facilitiy?
This is the bit I never got about the protests - if that bit looks like that now, why can't it be developed? Wouldn't that be a good thing. Leave the fields as fields, develop the shithole bit as a new sports facilitiy?
This is the bit I never got about the protests - if that bit looks like that now, why can't it be developed? Wouldn't that be a good thing. Leave the fields as fields, develop the shithole bit as a new sports facilitiy?
Fck knows. My guess is that they are mostly self important recently retired people who miss their jobs bossing people about and being general busybodies.
Luckily it's no longer our problem. I hope they build a new nuclear power station on there.
The Save Warren Farm really wound me up with their arguments based on rewilding and talk of meadows and skylarks.
With the skylarks, the whole dog walking thing they wanted to preserve was totally at odds with skylarks, which are ground nesting birds Also, wildlife can turn up in unexpected places *occasionally*, that does not mean that that said places are their natural habitat and of great environmental value. I've had very unusual birds (redpolls, redwings, waxwings), butterflies (green hairstreak) and dragonflies (southern hawker) appear in my suburban garden on very rare occasions but that doesn't warrant turning it into our next national park! The protestors made WF sound like the garden of Eden when it is in fact a neglected brownfield site.
*** WARNING *** This next screed might prove narcolepsy inducing for a lot of you LOL.
I have created my own wildflower meadow and done a lot of research into it and not only did what they had at WF not visually appear to be an actual wildflower meadow, wildflower meadows do not magically appear anyway if you leave a field or an area of grass to its own devices. The wrong sort of plants, like ragwort, will dominate, as will the grass itself and grass suppresses the growth of wildflowers due to its vigour. You don't get a real wildflower meadow unless the grass is thinned out and this is usually achieved by introducing plants which parasitise grass, e.g. eyebright or yellow rattle. It's pretty unlikely that such plants would naturally establish themselves in a new area. Having cattle grazing on the planned meadow site for part of the year also helps control the grass and create mini ecosystems where wildflower seeds can germinate.
So, in a nutshell, a lot of the SWF's environmental arguments were pretty far-fetched and misleading.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
The Save Warren Farm really wound me up with their arguments based on rewilding and talk of meadows and skylarks.
With the skylarks, the whole dog walking thing they wanted to preserve was totally at odds with skylarks, which are ground nesting birds Also, wildlife can turn up in unexpected places *occasionally*, that does not mean that that said places are their natural habitat and of great environmental value. I've had very unusual birds (redpolls, redwings, waxwings), butterflies (green hairstreak) and dragonflies (southern hawker) appear in my suburban garden on very rare occasions but that doesn't warrant turning it into our next national park! The protestors made WF sound like the garden of Eden when it is in fact a neglected brownfield site.
*** WARNING *** This next screed might prove narcolepsy inducing for a lot of you LOL.
I have created my own wildflower meadow and done a lot of research into it and not only did what they had at WF not visually appear to be an actual wildflower meadow, wildflower meadows do not magically appear anyway if you leave a field or an area of grass to its own devices. The wrong sort of plants, like ragwort, will dominate, as will the grass itself and grass suppresses the growth of wildflowers due to its vigour. You don't get a real wildflower meadow unless the grass is thinned out and this is usually achieved by introducing plants which parasitise grass, e.g. eyebright or yellow rattle. It's pretty unlikely that such plants would naturally establish themselves in a new area. Having cattle grazing on the planned meadow site for part of the year also helps control the grass and create mini ecosystems where wildflower seeds can germinate.
So, in a nutshell, a lot of the SWF's environmental arguments were pretty far-fetched and misleading.
Nice - when are the do as you likeees popping round with a couple of stripped washing machines and dishwashers to warren farm it up?
couple of things, regardless of the wildlife, take a look at HS1 and hs2 cutting thru whatever they like so no answer there, is there a case local councillors want to do something on the land ( i have not read every comment, too many on this thread so oops if repeating anything) along a sports gym? and how much has this cost qprfc and any owners we have? we bought bits of land around old oak,and car giant re new ground which won't happen. all this warren farm stuff, architects , plans, hearings etc all adds up.
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Also, wildlife can turn up in unexpected places *occasionally*, that does not mean that that said places are their natural habitat and of great environmental value. I've had very unusual birds (redpolls, redwings, waxwings), butterflies (green hairstreak) and dragonflies (southern hawker) appear in my suburban garden on very rare occasions but that doesn't warrant turning it into our next national park! The protestors made WF sound like the garden of Eden when it is in fact a neglected brownfield site. 