| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. 02:46 - Oct 27 with 15061 views | stainrods_elbow |
I would urge all of us not to take this lying down. The following mail has gone in from me tonight to the Club/Lee Hoos, and the EFL. I feel there needs to be an official protest from the top of the Club, and fans like me need to see it.
lee.hoos@qpr.co.uk
enquiries@efl.com
Dear Mr Hoos and the EFL,
As an aggrieved QPR supporter and active contributor to the QPR messageboard Loft for Words, which has been unified in its livid disgust this evening, I am writing to you now in conjunction with the above incident this evening. This is the first time I have felt driven to do so in 45 years of following the club re a footballing matter, but it cannot be allowed to pass.
As the QPR manager Mark Warburton made clear in his post-match interview, the decision not to award a legitimate goal to QPR, scored by Charlie Austin, was scandalously wrong in a scenario that was not even remotely close, contributing directly to the club's exit from the competition this evening and ultimately making a mockery of the spectacle. It is likely this goal would have won the game, as it was scored a few minutes before the end of the 90 minutes. Given the magnitude of the error and attached photographic evidence that clearly shows Austin very comfortably onside when the ball was played, the decision to disallow the goal can therefore only be explained by a conspiracy of craven incompetence or else corruption.
It has also been pointed out that, to add insult to injury, a flagrant handball by a Sunderland defender in the build-up to the goal occurred, which could and should also have led to a penalty and a red card, so the laws of the game were also not applied twice over for reasons best known to the incompetent officials.
Please review the attached evidence carefully. I wish to know (i) what action will be taken against the referee Keith Stroud and his offending linesmen Paul Hodskinson and Mark Dwyer, as well as the 4th official John Busby, who, despite having a monitor, apparently also enforced this miscarriage of justice, for effectively bringing the game into disrepute; (ii) what reparation will be made to QPR FC for the loss of gate receipts, sponsorship and associated benefits attached to their failure to progress, and (iii) where and when an official apology will be issued for this injustice that is visible to fans.
Finally, I think it would be very wise that Mr Stroud and his officials are not allocated any game at QPR FC for the foreseeable future, as I think it would be difficult for the Club to guarantee their safety were this to happen.
I look forward to your replies.
Yours sincerely,
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 20:54 - Oct 27 with 2229 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 20:36 - Oct 27 by themodfather |
1999 arsenal v sheff urd, 1-1 and with a blades player dowm injured, arsenal player kanu took a quick throw to overmars, many blades players were distracted as their man down etc, overmars scores and celebrates, the goal was given and stood as no rule broken, steve bruce and co argued for 8 mins but goal stood and arseanl won. however with the "contraversy" arsenal manager Wenger decided it was not in the spirit of the game and he offered a replay. top bloke. even with his bad eyes he saw something wrong and acted on it.
now our "GOAL" was ONSIDE, their player even HANDLED it so even if ruled off, it was, there is the penalty and red card to be considered . "sportsmanship" and "spirit of the game" the game in "disrepute" over poor officiating and there is my case, m'lud. so we get a points deduction, heavy fine and are banned from all cups. |
I know I'm a mad idealist in the eyes of some, but their twunt of a manager really compelled my contempt by not even mentioning the winner in his post-match interview, even pretending they bossed the second half and deserved to win.
In my view, they should offer to replay the game, if not actually be forced to.
That said, I will say Chair's and Barbet's performances at the penalty spot were utter shockers. I'd go as far as suggesting it looks like they missed deliberately. The most generous interpretation is to say their heads had gone. Warburton's refusal to analyse the pens is also an abdication of his professionalism, and shady in itself.
I feel even worse about it all today than last night if that's possible and agree with the poster who said this one will stick in his craw for a long time. I cannot and will not accept what's happened, and think the club should make a statement backing the manager's brave post-match interview and making it clear they will legally contest any fine that may be handed down. The boot should be on the other foot here. To wit, I wonder if there's any maverick sports lawyer who would take on a case like this where gross professional negligence damages the progress of a club in a significant competition, undermines the footballing product, and effectively brings the game into disrepute.
In the meantime, I hope those who do social media will do the decent thing and drag Stroud's and his f*ckwit linesman's reputations through the mud as maliciously as they deserve. I might even join Twitter for a bit for the sheer hell of it. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 20:59]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 20:54 - Oct 27 with 2226 views | B_Wad |
Trying to look at the bright side, at least we don't have to worry about another possible Preston match. |  | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 21:03 - Oct 27 with 2200 views | stainrods_elbow |
Did anyone also witness all the endless hand-shaking and fist bumping with the officials before the pens by some of our lot? F*ck that! I really wish Barbet as captain had made a statement in front of the cameras by snubbing them. How bad do things have to get before the players take a view? if Warburton had taken the players off, in all seriousness I'd have applauded him with a passion. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 21:04]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 21:38 - Oct 27 with 2140 views | QPROslo |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 07:05 - Oct 27 by themodfather |
wasn't the cup match arsenal v sheff utd replayed after a dodgy goal? due to "sportsmanship" ?? mid 90s?
would this happen to liverpool at anfield? or man utd at old trafford? NO. |
I don't know, but our goal should stand, the final few mintes replayed with another penalty shoot out should Sunderland draw level. It could be arrranged next time Sunderland come South and wouldn't take long. Never happen. |  | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 22:15 - Oct 27 with 2069 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 21:03 - Oct 27 by stainrods_elbow |
Did anyone also witness all the endless hand-shaking and fist bumping with the officials before the pens by some of our lot? F*ck that! I really wish Barbet as captain had made a statement in front of the cameras by snubbing them. How bad do things have to get before the players take a view? if Warburton had taken the players off, in all seriousness I'd have applauded him with a passion. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 21:04]
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Watching Warburtons interview he says he didn't see a replay of the incident until later. I'd imagine it's the same with the players.
I didn't notice it yesterday but I quite like the way our players are with the officials. High fives before the match etc. Why the fck not. |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 22:24 - Oct 27 with 2034 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 22:15 - Oct 27 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Watching Warburtons interview he says he didn't see a replay of the incident until later. I'd imagine it's the same with the players.
I didn't notice it yesterday but I quite like the way our players are with the officials. High fives before the match etc. Why the fck not. |
Personally, I think all the kisses and cuddles at every stage of the game - in the tunnel, on/off the bench, at half-time, full-time, and just about any time - gets a bit much. I'd like to see a bit more in the way of steely-eyed Roy Keaneism from our lot. Even Seny getting all chummy with their keeper during the shot-out feels wrong to me - save that malarkey for after the game! A bit more lean, mean 'in-our-zoneism' wouldn't go amiss with this squad, in my opinion. | |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 23:32 - Oct 27 with 1939 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 22:24 - Oct 27 by stainrods_elbow |
Personally, I think all the kisses and cuddles at every stage of the game - in the tunnel, on/off the bench, at half-time, full-time, and just about any time - gets a bit much. I'd like to see a bit more in the way of steely-eyed Roy Keaneism from our lot. Even Seny getting all chummy with their keeper during the shot-out feels wrong to me - save that malarkey for after the game! A bit more lean, mean 'in-our-zoneism' wouldn't go amiss with this squad, in my opinion. |
"A bit more lean, mean 'in-our-zoneism' wouldn't go amiss with this squad, in my opinion"
In front of goal. Yes agreed! | |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 00:00 - Oct 28 with 1909 views | bob566 |
Jeez people. Letters to the pm. Really? We lost. Crap decision but all clubs suffer these. Let's move on to forest. Good luck Sunderland. Try and Nick a premiership scalp for the league teams. | | | |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 00:38 - Oct 28 with 1880 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 00:00 - Oct 28 by bob566 |
Jeez people. Letters to the pm. Really? We lost. Crap decision but all clubs suffer these. Let's move on to forest. Good luck Sunderland. Try and Nick a premiership scalp for the league teams. |
'Good luck Sunderland'! Seriously!? That's your take away from last night? Give me a f*cking break! [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 0:39]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 02:00 - Oct 28 with 1840 views | bob566 |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 00:38 - Oct 28 by stainrods_elbow |
'Good luck Sunderland'! Seriously!? That's your take away from last night? Give me a f*cking break! [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 0:39]
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Yeah it is. They got a wrong decision. Good luck to them. Do you want me to be up for Chelsea, pool or arsenal. We move on. They're the last of the league clubs. Not their fault they got a jammy call. I'm over it. | | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 02:54 - Oct 28 with 1832 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
Brings up a pretty horrible memory from ROI fans about the Henry handball that kept Ireland out of a penalty shoot out in the playoff to make the World Cup Finals in SA .
Nobody could believe that decision stood and despite every avenue being investigated by the Irish FA we stayed home but watched France implode at the finals .
Of course Sunderland were lucky to advance but they missed a complete sitter earlier and SD saved a sure goal from McGeedy too before we got robbed.
I still believed we would win the penalty shootout but once Charlie missed it seemed to rock our confidence and remember Sunderland did not miss at all.
Its a cruel blow and will be worse if they get Chelsea , Spurs or Liverpool at home for a huge payday | | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 09:32 - Oct 28 with 1667 views | Northernr |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 21:03 - Oct 27 by stainrods_elbow |
Did anyone also witness all the endless hand-shaking and fist bumping with the officials before the pens by some of our lot? F*ck that! I really wish Barbet as captain had made a statement in front of the cameras by snubbing them. How bad do things have to get before the players take a view? if Warburton had taken the players off, in all seriousness I'd have applauded him with a passion. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 21:04]
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Take the players off? Are you unwell? |  | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 10:07 - Oct 28 with 1610 views | DesertBoot |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 21:03 - Oct 27 by stainrods_elbow |
Did anyone also witness all the endless hand-shaking and fist bumping with the officials before the pens by some of our lot? F*ck that! I really wish Barbet as captain had made a statement in front of the cameras by snubbing them. How bad do things have to get before the players take a view? if Warburton had taken the players off, in all seriousness I'd have applauded him with a passion. [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 21:04]
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Manager takes players off due to bad decision. You've not thought this one through have you? |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 10:25 - Oct 28 with 1586 views | HamptonR |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 10:07 - Oct 28 by DesertBoot |
Manager takes players off due to bad decision. You've not thought this one through have you? |
Taking the players off is a Sunday morning worst case scenario at Under 9s or 10s.
Even then it is wrong. | | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:06 - Oct 28 with 1416 views | stainrods_elbow |
It's a game of opinions, and I have 'thought it through', thank you very much. The officials, all three of them, get a crucial decision wrong (on not one but too blatant counts) that illegally removes a club from a competition which, as said club's own manager has broadcast, significantly damages our revenue, prestige and potentially denies us a Europa Cup berth if we were to win the thing. That is professional incompetence that is a violation of the laws of the game (still on two counts), as well as our season, and effectively brings the competition into disrepute as far as I'm concerned. As I said, If Warburton had decided he wasn't having it and refused to play on, I'd have applauded him with a passion. And no, I don't need a lie-down!
If Warburton is fined for his remarks, he should throw the invoice in the trash and hire legal advice. I feel desperately sorry for him, and f*ck all the well-wishing and everything else. At the very least, the club should put on record that they will not play any games at HQ that involve any of these three muppets. The club, the fans and the game have all been cheated. If others want to 'get over it' in 24 hours and wish Sunderland well, they're welcome to, but I shan't be joining them.
As for the U10 analogy, you'd find better officials at theat level among the dads! [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 15:09]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:27 - Oct 28 with 1370 views | Northernr |
I think it's probably time to take a breath and move away from the computer.
It was a terrible decision. They happen. We're all fuming about it. But we've got to look forward now and channel it in a positive, aggressive way into these coming matches or it's going to snowball into a run of defeats. We're not going to get anywhere with woe is me.
Writing letters to the CEO (WTF is it to do with him? Proof if ever it were needed that there is absolutely nothing you won't use as an excuse to crack on at him), intimating the match officials' safety will be compromised on their next visit, demanding the manager take the team off the pitch before a penalty shoot out, online petitions and all of this is mad stuff. Properly mad. Like the guy who stands on the High Street and shouts about the end of the world mad.
It's been, it's gone, there's nothing we can do. Pretending there is, writing letters, petitions, official site tweets, etc makes us look muggy as fck. If I was an opposition fan looking in on this board I'd be linking this thread here there and everywhere under 'look at the fcking state of it'. | | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:30 - Oct 28 with 1361 views | johncharles |
The way that referees get away with shocking incompetence leaves the game open to corruption.
Take a hard look at the picture on Twitter and wonder how the referee, the linesman and the fourth official got it so wrong. Let me be clear, I’m not accusing the officials at this match of corruption but anyone considering bribing a ref and his assistants will be delighted that no action whatsoever will take place AND anyone pushing for an investigation will be sanctioned by the EFL. |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:48 - Oct 28 with 1310 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:30 - Oct 28 by johncharles |
The way that referees get away with shocking incompetence leaves the game open to corruption.
Take a hard look at the picture on Twitter and wonder how the referee, the linesman and the fourth official got it so wrong. Let me be clear, I’m not accusing the officials at this match of corruption but anyone considering bribing a ref and his assistants will be delighted that no action whatsoever will take place AND anyone pushing for an investigation will be sanctioned by the EFL. |
I couldn't have put it better myself. To the poster who accuses me of disappearing just for mentioning the word 'corruption', we know it goes on in Italy, we know it goes on in France, and why should anyone think it doesn't go on in the English game? Either way, either the officials are incompetent (in which case they should be suspended or sacked), or corrupt, or quite possibly both. Whatever the truth is, we're the victims. | |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:49 - Oct 28 with 1308 views | francisbowles |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:30 - Oct 28 by johncharles |
The way that referees get away with shocking incompetence leaves the game open to corruption.
Take a hard look at the picture on Twitter and wonder how the referee, the linesman and the fourth official got it so wrong. Let me be clear, I’m not accusing the officials at this match of corruption but anyone considering bribing a ref and his assistants will be delighted that no action whatsoever will take place AND anyone pushing for an investigation will be sanctioned by the EFL. |
I've come to the conclusion that the linesman saw their players with arms raised, appealing for offside against Austin, had second thoughts on what was originally the correct decision and subsequently raised his flag. [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 15:49]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:59 - Oct 28 with 1280 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:27 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
I think it's probably time to take a breath and move away from the computer.
It was a terrible decision. They happen. We're all fuming about it. But we've got to look forward now and channel it in a positive, aggressive way into these coming matches or it's going to snowball into a run of defeats. We're not going to get anywhere with woe is me.
Writing letters to the CEO (WTF is it to do with him? Proof if ever it were needed that there is absolutely nothing you won't use as an excuse to crack on at him), intimating the match officials' safety will be compromised on their next visit, demanding the manager take the team off the pitch before a penalty shoot out, online petitions and all of this is mad stuff. Properly mad. Like the guy who stands on the High Street and shouts about the end of the world mad.
It's been, it's gone, there's nothing we can do. Pretending there is, writing letters, petitions, official site tweets, etc makes us look muggy as fck. If I was an opposition fan looking in on this board I'd be linking this thread here there and everywhere under 'look at the fcking state of it'. |
I actually agree with you, Clive, and said so myself. I don't think I'll be watching or listening to the Forest game for that reason. Though it's a bit of a paradox on the part of a fellow writer telling me to stop writing a bout/to QPR - would you do the same in your role? The CEO heads up the club's public face, so it has plenty to do with him. I wasn't taking a pop at him at all, so maybe have a bit of a think there before having an unwarranted pop at me of your own - it gets a bit tiresome and childish.
As for my responses, and in no particular order,
1. I didn't threaten the match officials - I simply said that, in my opinion, their security might be an issue at HQ if they were given more QPR games. Every club has its hotheads.
2. A letter of complaint to the club/EFL, which I took the trouble to compose and send, is a pretty minimal/ratuional reponse in the circumstances, I'd have thought, and a few dotorgers here have said they echo its sentiments, and done likewise.
3. The idea of taking the players off is my opinion, and people can agree or disagree or laugh at it as they please - I don't write for them, but to express my own point of view and feelings.
You yourself, Clive, have spoken of refs coming out and giving an account of their decisions, which is no less crackpot in its way, and is never going to happen - even though I sympathise with that too.
I do also agree, as I've said if you read me carefully, that we should 'channel' our rage against Forest on Friday, and, despite the penalty shoot out fiasco, which makes me as angry and upset as the disallowed goal in its way, and even though I'll only be attendiing in spirit, I hope those who are there will give the team a sizzlingly loving welcome. [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 16:01]
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 16:21 - Oct 28 with 1226 views | JAPRANGERS |
In 2021, it's surely time for VAR to be used everywhere. |  | | |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 16:26 - Oct 28 with 1218 views | ShotKneesHoop |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 16:21 - Oct 28 by JAPRANGERS |
In 2021, it's surely time for VAR to be used everywhere. |
part from the huge cost involved in installation and decision making from a remote site.
Here's enough evidence to get rid of the ref from professional , that is the best course of action. |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 16:39 - Oct 28 with 1192 views | connell10 |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:27 - Oct 28 by Northernr |
I think it's probably time to take a breath and move away from the computer.
It was a terrible decision. They happen. We're all fuming about it. But we've got to look forward now and channel it in a positive, aggressive way into these coming matches or it's going to snowball into a run of defeats. We're not going to get anywhere with woe is me.
Writing letters to the CEO (WTF is it to do with him? Proof if ever it were needed that there is absolutely nothing you won't use as an excuse to crack on at him), intimating the match officials' safety will be compromised on their next visit, demanding the manager take the team off the pitch before a penalty shoot out, online petitions and all of this is mad stuff. Properly mad. Like the guy who stands on the High Street and shouts about the end of the world mad.
It's been, it's gone, there's nothing we can do. Pretending there is, writing letters, petitions, official site tweets, etc makes us look muggy as fck. If I was an opposition fan looking in on this board I'd be linking this thread here there and everywhere under 'look at the fcking state of it'. |
All I say is at the very least that linesman should never officiate in a professional football game again. That was such a bad decision, I'm sorry but to think that kunt just walks away nothing done really makes me angry!! |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 17:53 - Oct 28 with 1093 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 15:48 - Oct 28 by stainrods_elbow |
I couldn't have put it better myself. To the poster who accuses me of disappearing just for mentioning the word 'corruption', we know it goes on in Italy, we know it goes on in France, and why should anyone think it doesn't go on in the English game? Either way, either the officials are incompetent (in which case they should be suspended or sacked), or corrupt, or quite possibly both. Whatever the truth is, we're the victims. |
Mate…..behave. Ref/Lino made a terribly bad decision. That’s it. |  |
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| Post-Sunderland: complaining to the club and EFL. on 18:25 - Oct 28 with 1036 views | Discodroids |
I Well understand the rage of the op.
I Couldn't speak for hours after the game and i'm still pissed off now. However, imo it's all getting a bit Grassy Knowl/Zapruder 8mm film lone bullet on here.
Right or wrong, I've let it go.
In his defence, I like posters like stainrods elbow as they offer something alternative to the forum. It would be like Loft for words THX 1138 if we all thought the same . [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 18:29]
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