| Some QPR perspective 21:33 - Oct 27 with 1864 views | Greenbay |
After suffering this latest horrible defeat at Barnsley here's a question for you. Why do we suffer watching QPR in recent years instead of supporting top flight football with Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal?
The answer is cos we live in hope like everything else in life.
We are big supporters of the underdogs - not a side that can buy its way to success like the top Premier Clubs. What's the point of that?
Yes the football is better of course. But when our little club QPR win we relish it. We are uplifted when it occasionally happens, certainly in recent years, and we celebrate and feel good for the rest of the week.
Any victory is like a smoked salmon sandwich - that's if you like smoked salmon.
Our target is that one day we will return to the Premiership and take on the big boys.
We are a club that punches well above its weight underlined by a stadium that has hardly changed in at least 50 years.
We did spend money with Fernandez and we did reach the Premiership but it was unsustainable as a business and to continue that - then we would now be sprinting down the divisions. We are trying to become a club that is sustainable. And I say bravo.
We all know what the club is trying to achieve. The owners are still subsidising our survival. What business in the world would continue to run at a loss? Would you run your business at a loss? Would you go to work and pay your employers a salary? Of course not. But we have owners that have decided to keep the club alive.
Warbs is working with straw trying to turn players into gold.
Let's face it - It's the toughest of tasks.
But he must have our support. Last year to finish 13th was incredible.
Victory for us is survival in the Championship especially now after two complete changes in first team personnel in just over a year. Yes we all get upset when things are going badly wrong as now.
It's unpleasant for us fans but we have to be realistic.
As for loyalty from players - forget it.
In the last few months there's been Grant Hall, after the club looked after him for so long with his injuries, then Ryan Manning, and now BOS.
Fair enough they have to look after their short careers.
So after losing the very likeable Ebbs, along with Manning and now inevitably BOS that is difficult to turn around.
What we all want as fans now - is to see 11 players on the pitch - even if we're getting thrashed - trying as hard as they can individually and as a team - with enthusiasm.
One player for me sums that up - the injured Luke Amos. He always gave everything on the pitch and that's what we want to see. We all wish him a speedy recovery.
Yes we've got some good Championship players and perhaps not so good.
But let's have some realism here. For QPR to survive in the Championship IS a success. Anywhere between 13th and 21st come next May then I'll accept that as long as the team is progressing and that the youngsters are developing.
Three have already come through Dieng, Kakay, Hamaleinen, along with Masterson and also Chair who I believe can be very good. To follow perhaps Bettache. And if a top half of the table finish happened then that would be fantastic too.
So let's be realistic - we are half a Championship side and half a Division 1 side.
Maybe Warbs can spin straw into gold like Rumpelstiltskin? It is possible. |  | | |  |
| Some QPR perspective on 23:09 - Oct 27 with 1694 views | itsbiga |
7 points from 8 games is relegation nailed on.
Strap in for another year of fun boys | |
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| Some QPR perspective on 23:14 - Oct 27 with 1666 views | Lblock |
Fed up of this drum being beaten that the owners are being so benevolent to the club
Yes the club was loss making before they came in, most are and billionaires use clubs as loss makers for tax etc
When they came in the club was in a place we could only dream of but Bungles sugar rush took over and he well and truly fcukd it
The reason we’re losing my large per month is due hugely to their recent approach
No sympathy from me |  |
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| Some QPR perspective on 23:17 - Oct 27 with 1655 views | Nov77 |
| Some QPR perspective on 23:14 - Oct 27 by Lblock |
Fed up of this drum being beaten that the owners are being so benevolent to the club
Yes the club was loss making before they came in, most are and billionaires use clubs as loss makers for tax etc
When they came in the club was in a place we could only dream of but Bungles sugar rush took over and he well and truly fcukd it
The reason we’re losing my large per month is due hugely to their recent approach
No sympathy from me |
Who’s in charge now? Is Tony still the one who makes the final decision or is it Amit? |  |
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| Some QPR perspective on 08:58 - Oct 28 with 1480 views | TGRRRSSS |
Ultimately Tony and Ruben.
I think Amit and Mittal only have 3% and Amit is the acceptable face because genuinely he does seem to have more idea what he's doing.
Doesn't meant it'll all work, as we hope it will.
When an Eze is sold, he's gone, doesn't mean the next Cab will roll off the Rank perfectly to take over where he left off.
Also worth remembering I guess buy and develop or youth and develop and sell doesn't always mean success - and you know as it's QPR you can see us boding any success we have. |  | | |
| Some QPR perspective on 09:17 - Oct 28 with 1436 views | bosh67 |
I'd start going down the Doherty route when he brought in Allen and Goddard as teenagers and they scored something like 55 goals that season. He also blooded fellow teenager Garry Waddock and developed the then teenager, Wayne Fereday. He brought in midfield/defensive ball player Glen Roeder to help link play to some more experienced midfielders.
We've got Kelman, Alfa, Bettache, Kendall and already have Masterson playing. Is it time to go full Doherty and just unleash a full handful of kids who will at least play with pace and without any fear and link them up with the more experienced Adomah, Ball, Barbet, Cameron etc? |  |
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| Some QPR perspective on 18:16 - Oct 28 with 1188 views | derbyhoop |
| Some QPR perspective on 09:17 - Oct 28 by bosh67 |
I'd start going down the Doherty route when he brought in Allen and Goddard as teenagers and they scored something like 55 goals that season. He also blooded fellow teenager Garry Waddock and developed the then teenager, Wayne Fereday. He brought in midfield/defensive ball player Glen Roeder to help link play to some more experienced midfielders.
We've got Kelman, Alfa, Bettache, Kendall and already have Masterson playing. Is it time to go full Doherty and just unleash a full handful of kids who will at least play with pace and without any fear and link them up with the more experienced Adomah, Ball, Barbet, Cameron etc? |
Not when you've just brought in Dykes (25), Bonne, Dickie (24), Adomah (32). And started playing Dieng (25). None of them are youngsters
One bad result, on top of some poor ones, does not warrant another wholescale upheaval. |  |
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| Some QPR perspective on 23:43 - Oct 28 with 1031 views | dixiedean |
Nice post Greenbay . Of course some teams do punch above their weight ( Burnley , Wycombe ) but we have to be realistic. For the doubters ,the question might be at what point do we aim higher than finishing 16th ? | | | |
| Some QPR perspective on 01:07 - Oct 29 with 978 views | Greenbay |
| Some QPR perspective on 23:43 - Oct 28 by dixiedean |
Nice post Greenbay . Of course some teams do punch above their weight ( Burnley , Wycombe ) but we have to be realistic. For the doubters ,the question might be at what point do we aim higher than finishing 16th ? |
Thanks Dixie. It's all to do with economics.
I totally agree with you regarding Burnley punching above their weight and Wycombe who've done so well to reach the Championship.
And we too can punch above our weight.
If you have rich backers like the Premier top 6 - some are in it to make money plus the prestige - like the American owners at Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal.
Some are in it to buy respectability such as Man City.
For Chelsea it's just a plaything.
For Spurs - its a mixture of eventually aiming to make money and part plaything.
There are other clubs like Leeds with its Italian owner dreaming to make it big and doing quite well while the Chinese owned clubs - and there's quite a few - buy up everything cos they are so wealthy - looking to the future which could be 20 years ahead.
Then there are the little clubs like ours - QPR - owned by wealthy people but are fed up with throwing money away for a quick thrill - gaining promotion to the Premiership and then eventually realising that it costs too much.
It's pouring money into a black hole - especially now with businesses going bust cos of the pandemic.
I prefer our model although it's not great at the moment for us fans. But it's sensible.
When we win - which is rare - aren't you buzzing for a week or when we had that great spell before lockdown?
So the only way we are going to finish higher than 16th - last year 13th - is doing exactly what we are doing.
Develop the youngsters along with some experienced players as we are doing now, develop our training facilities which is very important - and it is now happening at last - and eventually having a decent ground.
Look at Oakwell where we lost to Barnsley on Tuesday. As I understand it it's a multi-sports stadium that can hold 23,000. Certainly looks better than our delapidated stadium. We need a 40,000 plus capacity as we're in London - and hoping for the good times.
That is being realistic and it will take several years.
What is unrealistic - apart from the passion - and quite rightly shown in all these threads - is that many people don't want to look at the truth.
Their passion (and me too) gets in the way of realism.
Of course like everyone else watching QPR when things are going bad as now, we get upset, and frustrated, cos we put our valued time into it and our money when going pre-pandemic to LR-KPS or buying on stream now.
In my opinion what we are doing is right.
It may work or it may not work. If it works it will take a long time.
The only other way is for some very rich individual to buy out our owners - then buy top players - build a new stadium - and pour millions upon millions of pounds into a black hole.
There are people out there who may do it and can afford it.
I suppose the question is - is that what we want? | | | |
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| Some QPR perspective on 08:36 - Oct 29 with 860 views | StanFan |
Love your optimism and perspective Greenbay. I too like the model that we've adopted. But even with a level playing field it is not guaranteed to succeed. We are banking on being able to spot potential in players that has been missed by others and on being able to develop that potential and then sell for a profit.
Where I start to lose faith is when I see that it is nothing like a level playing field. It seems like most of the Championship are splashing crazy amounts of money and therefore have better players and stronger squads. And either they find loopholes to get around FFP or the EFL isn't enforcing it properly. I'm not suggesting that we go that route but you do wonder if it will ever be possible for a club that follows the rules to compete. |  | | |
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