| Colonial days and the natives 20:10 - Aug 28 with 11499 views | perchrockjack |
Seeing that African countries seem to be basket cases with people looking to do anything to escape, I ask the question.
Were they better off under colonial rule |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 17:47 - Aug 29 with 1150 views | Lohengrin |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:17 - Aug 29 by dailew |
It would undoubtedly be better if African countries were drawn along tribal lines not colonial ones.
Should have been left to sort their own borders. Same goes for the Middle East. |
Racialism in excelsis.
That's quite a curious stance for you to be taking given that you have been quite an outspoken opponent of that line of argument when it has been advanced on here in the past. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 17:48 - Aug 29 with 1147 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:30 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
So only right wingers are loonies.
Interesting methods of death these days in the socialist republic of North Korea.
Lefties clearly selective readers.
If they disagree, assume the moral high ground and insult those who disagree. |
Straw man argument re South Korea.
The thread title was about colonialism. I suppose if you're bringing other countries into it there's an opportunity to post the 'interesting' amount of beheadings in Saudi Arabia, our beyond reproach allies
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-carries-out-100th-beheading-2015-1506309 [Post edited 29 Aug 2015 17:50]
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| Colonial days and the natives on 17:53 - Aug 29 with 1127 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:45 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
It took me 50 yrs to realise I might not be right all the time.
We all bullshite but look in the mirror and the truth, which is humpy, you're morphing into a very unpleasant poster unable to avoid unpleasantness.
You also misquote or simply ignore posts you can't answer to.
I d have a rest now leave this thread alone.
British colonialist did bad things but as regards India, for example, speak to an Indian and you lol find they respect us for introducing many things to their country they stlll adhere to.
For bad, read about Leopold the murderious pig of a Belgian king. |
Perch starts a deliberately provocative thread and then screams victim when someone disagrees with him. Quelle surprise.
British colonialist did bad things but as regards India, for example, speak to an Indian and you lol find they respect us for introducing many things to their country they stlll adhere to.
Some may. Others can't. They were murdered by us for wanting independence. |  | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:56 - Aug 29 with 1118 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:07 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Stupid moderating on here. [Post edited 29 Aug 2015 17:59]
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You delete posts which question your modding?
It's like North Korea in here Perch. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:58 - Aug 29 with 1107 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:56 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
You delete posts which question your modding?
It's like North Korea in here Perch. |
Ha I hadn't spotted that I'd been moderated. That's funny. What a dick. I've edited my original comment back in. Still stands. [Post edited 29 Aug 2015 18:00]
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| Colonial days and the natives on 17:58 - Aug 29 with 1106 views | dgt73 |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:53 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
Perch starts a deliberately provocative thread and then screams victim when someone disagrees with him. Quelle surprise.
British colonialist did bad things but as regards India, for example, speak to an Indian and you lol find they respect us for introducing many things to their country they stlll adhere to.
Some may. Others can't. They were murdered by us for wanting independence. |
So should the Italians feel quilt for what the Romans did ? Or the Danish for what the Vikings did ? |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:03 - Aug 29 with 1087 views | Lohengrin |
| Colonial days and the natives on 16:27 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
Whether I'm boring or not has got f*ck all to do with anything.
You read what I posted. Do you think it happened or not? |
Now I know a fair bit about the events you're raising here, Hump, if you'd posed that question to me then I'd have no doubt whatsoever that they did, though how much direct culpability Britain had in reality is open to question? You could well argue that as the Colonial Administrators the buck stops with us. Did HM Forces turn a blind eye? In all probability it amounted to a bit more than that but the fact remains that these atrocities you're referencing were not undertaken by British soldiers but by Embu and Meru loyalist militias.
Kenya was a savage, messy business. The Kembu and Meru had suffered grievously by the predations of Mau Mau and "we" had let them off the leash.
Have times changed? Think on this: how much do you REALLY think the man in the street would care if ISIS terrorists were similarly treated? Forget all about the etiquette and parameters of decent behaviour, the public facade of propriety, deep-down how many do you think would be saying "good enough for them?" Be honest. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:04 - Aug 29 with 1086 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:58 - Aug 29 by dgt73 |
So should the Italians feel quilt for what the Romans did ? Or the Danish for what the Vikings did ? |
No they shouldn't. That just silly. What we did to the poor Kenyan women happened in my lifetime.
A bit different don't you think? | | | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:04 - Aug 29 with 1081 views | VetchitBack |
Good point.
Just like to add that we're. F*cking. Not. The bad guys either.
The fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed is an easy and popular seduction. But still a fallacy.
And those who believed it are starting to see just how cuddly certain cultures can be. Do they imagine this will get better or worse when they get more power which they surely will?
The British Empire will and does look RELATIVELY mild. There will always be empires it's entirely logical to prefer to live in your own.
It's human nature which is the real enemy of all people. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:04 - Aug 29 with 1081 views | perchrockjack |
Just skimmed read as clasie says he does, not good reading, full of hypocrisy.
Staggering stuff really..
Italians...dick...yah a fi. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:07 - Aug 29 with 1068 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:04 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
Just skimmed read as clasie says he does, not good reading, full of hypocrisy.
Staggering stuff really..
Italians...dick...yah a fi. |
His truth is marching on. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:10 - Aug 29 with 1056 views | Lohengrin |
"The fallacy of the superior virtue of the oppressed is an easy and popular seduction."
I enjoyed that, Vetch.  | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:11 - Aug 29 with 1054 views | Flashberryjack |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:45 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
Yeah. But let's acknowledge what we doing ourselves not very long ago. Of course, that's too hard for some people to stomach. |
It's not to hard for people to stomach at all......all countries have done horrible things in their past history, lets acknowledge that fact and move on.
It's history book warriors that perpetuate hatred and terrorism....close the book mun, there's enough horrors happening in today's world to concern yourself with. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:13 - Aug 29 with 1045 views | jackonicko |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:07 - Aug 29 by exiledclaseboy |
His truth is marching on. |
Will you stop it.
I spent quite a bit of Friday with that battle hymn in my head, due to the other thread. I don't want it to start again. |  | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:15 - Aug 29 with 1030 views | perchrockjack |
Rock of ages
Cleft for me
Let me hide myself in thee | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:16 - Aug 29 with 1027 views | dgt73 |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:04 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
No they shouldn't. That just silly. What we did to the poor Kenyan women happened in my lifetime.
A bit different don't you think? |
Didn't happen in my life time, just like what the Romans and Vikings did, didn't happen in my life time.....so everything is cool then. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:19 - Aug 29 with 1010 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:13 - Aug 29 by jackonicko |
Will you stop it.
I spent quite a bit of Friday with that battle hymn in my head, due to the other thread. I don't want it to start again. |
Sorry, but it's my new riposte to being arbitrarily mentioned unnecessarily by a certain poster when I deliberately haven't engaged with him. It's either that or argue back, which is entirely pointless and exactly what he's after.
I'll change the hymn to a less catchy one but only after this one is exhausted. [Post edited 29 Aug 2015 18:45]
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:20 - Aug 29 with 1009 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:03 - Aug 29 by Lohengrin |
Now I know a fair bit about the events you're raising here, Hump, if you'd posed that question to me then I'd have no doubt whatsoever that they did, though how much direct culpability Britain had in reality is open to question? You could well argue that as the Colonial Administrators the buck stops with us. Did HM Forces turn a blind eye? In all probability it amounted to a bit more than that but the fact remains that these atrocities you're referencing were not undertaken by British soldiers but by Embu and Meru loyalist militias.
Kenya was a savage, messy business. The Kembu and Meru had suffered grievously by the predations of Mau Mau and "we" had let them off the leash.
Have times changed? Think on this: how much do you REALLY think the man in the street would care if ISIS terrorists were similarly treated? Forget all about the etiquette and parameters of decent behaviour, the public facade of propriety, deep-down how many do you think would be saying "good enough for them?" Be honest. |
Which tribes were Eric Griffith-Jones and Sir Evelyn Baring members of Loh? As they were corresponding about Britain's torture practices in the detention camps Britain had set up? The British colonial tribe?
Have times changed? Think on this: how much do you REALLY think the man in the street would care if ISIS terrorists were similarly treated? Forget all about the etiquette and parameters of decent behaviour, the public facade of propriety, deep-down how many do you think would be saying "good enough for them?" Be honest.
Many on here would support it Loh. I wouldn't myself. Call me a silly old liberal but I don't think female detainees should ever be raped with bottles of boiling water. Ever. Especially by a country that likes to call itself civilised. Tree hugging tw*t that I am. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:21 - Aug 29 with 1005 views | perchrockjack |
At the same time, many missionaries, women included were butchered by the Mao Mao, but as it's history, lefties seem to see it just one way
The answer to my question really hasn't been answered, because it cannot be, thus proving that what we all believe might not be the truth.
Now ,have you got that | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:24 - Aug 29 with 1000 views | dgt73 |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:20 - Aug 29 by Humpty |
Which tribes were Eric Griffith-Jones and Sir Evelyn Baring members of Loh? As they were corresponding about Britain's torture practices in the detention camps Britain had set up? The British colonial tribe?
Have times changed? Think on this: how much do you REALLY think the man in the street would care if ISIS terrorists were similarly treated? Forget all about the etiquette and parameters of decent behaviour, the public facade of propriety, deep-down how many do you think would be saying "good enough for them?" Be honest.
Many on here would support it Loh. I wouldn't myself. Call me a silly old liberal but I don't think female detainees should ever be raped with bottles of boiling water. Ever. Especially by a country that likes to call itself civilised. Tree hugging tw*t that I am. |
Silly old liberal | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:27 - Aug 29 with 994 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:21 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
At the same time, many missionaries, women included were butchered by the Mao Mao, but as it's history, lefties seem to see it just one way
The answer to my question really hasn't been answered, because it cannot be, thus proving that what we all believe might not be the truth.
Now ,have you got that |
Who's supporting the murder of women missionaries Perch? | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:30 - Aug 29 with 986 views | dgt73 |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:21 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
At the same time, many missionaries, women included were butchered by the Mao Mao, but as it's history, lefties seem to see it just one way
The answer to my question really hasn't been answered, because it cannot be, thus proving that what we all believe might not be the truth.
Now ,have you got that |
Don't forget Stalin - the biggest mass killer in history - all in the name of socialism. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:33 - Aug 29 with 973 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:30 - Aug 29 by dgt73 |
Don't forget Stalin - the biggest mass killer in history - all in the name of socialism. |
F*cking great point mate. Stalin. He was nasty.
Good to have you bringing such insightful titbits to the debate.
Good poster you are. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 18:33 - Aug 29 with 973 views | yescomeon |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:30 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
So only right wingers are loonies.
Interesting methods of death these days in the socialist republic of North Korea.
Lefties clearly selective readers.
If they disagree, assume the moral high ground and insult those who disagree. |
Don't you mean the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea. Those democrats really are a nasty bunch. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 18:35 - Aug 29 with 965 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 17:30 - Aug 29 by perchrockjack |
So only right wingers are loonies.
Interesting methods of death these days in the socialist republic of North Korea.
Lefties clearly selective readers.
If they disagree, assume the moral high ground and insult those who disagree. |
Which lefties are defending North Korea Perch?
Go on. Point them out. Just one? | | | |
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