| Colonial days and the natives 20:10 - Aug 28 with 11504 views | perchrockjack |
Seeing that African countries seem to be basket cases with people looking to do anything to escape, I ask the question.
Were they better off under colonial rule |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:28 - Sep 1 with 1276 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:26 - Sep 1 by monmouth |
I think you're being a bit unfair, Perch has given credit to a poster for the best response.
Just a coincidence it's the one he agrees with...clearly all the others are just rubbish. Who could possibly quibble with such a balanced view? |
Only cocksucking knobs world quibble, surely? |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:34 - Sep 1 with 1258 views | monmouth |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:28 - Sep 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Only cocksucking knobs world quibble, surely? |
Possibly a knobsucking cock might? And what about a rugmunching clunge? Surely we need equal opportunity insults from our more enlightened posters. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:44 - Sep 1 with 1223 views | perchrockjack |
Unlike you classes
Or maybe not , you love it, any opportunity to have a dig.
I've had some pelters from some and like you I ll give it back.
Strange how I can disagree with some posters with little malovelence.
Ask yourself why that is | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:45 - Sep 1 with 1223 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:34 - Sep 1 by monmouth |
Possibly a knobsucking cock might? And what about a rugmunching clunge? Surely we need equal opportunity insults from our more enlightened posters. |
Pfft. Only lefty scum (another of his famous absolutely non personal attack the post not the poster jibes) are any variation of cocksucking knobs. No need for equality of opportunity in that case. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:49 - Sep 1 with 1211 views | perchrockjack |
India bbc2 9pm | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:54 - Sep 1 with 1203 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:44 - Sep 1 by perchrockjack |
Unlike you classes
Or maybe not , you love it, any opportunity to have a dig.
I've had some pelters from some and like you I ll give it back.
Strange how I can disagree with some posters with little malovelence.
Ask yourself why that is |
Who's classes? I'll assume it's me.
You can argue with very few people without malevolence. The daily bile you pour over this forum is proof of that. Then you have the gall to constantly whine about personal posts when people disagree with you. Most of the time these personal posts only exist in your increasingly fevered imagination. Usually after you've spent pages upon pages insulting others. Yeah, I'll give it back if needed but not often these days and in recent times I've held back from "giving it back" to you because you clearly have issues. But seeing as you've deliberately launched open season on me and a number of others in recent days I got bored with turning the other cheek. At some point I'll tire of pointing out your filthy hypocrisy and start ignoring you again. It may take days, maybe longer. We'll see. But you'll be on the other end of your keyboard with metaphorical steam coming out of your ears long before I will.
Have a nice evening. [Post edited 1 Sep 2015 21:00]
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:55 - Sep 1 with 1203 views | Neath_Jack |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:49 - Sep 1 by perchrockjack |
India bbc2 9pm |
Educating Cardiff, Channel 4, i think. 9pm. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:56 - Sep 1 with 1196 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:55 - Sep 1 by Neath_Jack |
Educating Cardiff, Channel 4, i think. 9pm. |
New Tricks. BBC1 9pm. Should've been canned years ago but the Mrs still likes it. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:56 - Sep 1 with 1193 views | Neath_Jack |
If there is a better poster on this forum than Humpty, I've yet to come across them. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:58 - Sep 1 with 1188 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:56 - Sep 1 by Neath_Jack |
If there is a better poster on this forum than Humpty, I've yet to come across them. |
Except me. Obviously. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 20:58 - Sep 1 with 1187 views | perchrockjack |
Yes. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 21:00 - Sep 1 with 1177 views | Neath_Jack |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:58 - Sep 1 by exiledclaseboy |
Except me. Obviously. |
He hasn't quite reached legendary status yet, he needs a bit of longevity for that. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 21:26 - Sep 1 with 1139 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Colonial days and the natives on 20:56 - Sep 1 by Neath_Jack |
If there is a better poster on this forum than Humpty, I've yet to come across them. |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 05:19 - Sep 2 with 1068 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 11:09 - Sep 1 by Lohengrin |
As I've already said all you've done is quote partially from a single missive by one official. That's not a discussion between officials, where's the interlocutory response?
If you want to be taken seriously I'd suggest you get some work done and produce hard fact in place of adolescent tantrums. |
Heh! Ok then.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336418/Mau-Mau-fighters-raped-castrated
"The British Government recognises that Kenyans were subject to torture and other forms of ill-treatment at the hands of the colonial administration. The British Government sincerely regrets that these abuses took place and they marred Kenya's progress towards independence.
'Torture and ill-treatment are abhorrent violations of human dignity which we unreservedly condemn."
From well known lefty Foreign Secretary William Hague. [Post edited 2 Sep 2015 5:22]
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| Colonial days and the natives on 05:26 - Sep 2 with 1066 views | Humpty |
| Colonial days and the natives on 07:24 - Sep 1 by Highjack |
Oh yes he is. |
Erm, not he's not. he's saying Britain was let down by the African torturers it employed to do it's dirty business. Anyone with a brain can see that that excuse is laughable. We did it. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 09:21 - Sep 2 with 1037 views | Professor |
| Colonial days and the natives on 13:32 - Sep 1 by yescomeon |
You're not likely to get many in depth responses like the Professors as most people on here won't have much experience, and when you made the thread you must have known you would get some of the responses you did. It's predictable from both sides of the debate. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but the gap between both sides is so big the middle will be hard to find.
Things like infrastructure, sure they are no doubt better for that, but they would almost certainly have been better left to their own devices. It's interesting to compare the different approaches taken by the Europeans and the Chinese around the onset of colonialism. Both had equally advanced cultures and more or less the same level of technology. The European thinking was, we are better than everyone else, therefore we should go out and enforce our way of life on anyone else. The Chinese thinking was, we are better than everyone else, so why bother with anyone else. |
Another point is there is now Chinese 'economic colonialism' in Africa. China is now building or re-building much of the infrastructure in Africa. Very much the case in Ethiopia where the surrounds of Addis are filling with giant industrial parks to build Chinese goods. As China, it's economic downturn not withstanding, becomes a rich society they are outsourcing. Most remarkable is a toll motorway between Addis and the city of Nazret/Adama and eventually through the Rift Valley to Djibouti to improve transport of goods to port. Is this any different?
I would also state I do not share Perch's political views, but his are currently the majority of the UK and should be respected. The original rhetorical question was to promote debate after all. Views of the UK differ through Africa as the experience of the population under colonial rule varied. As in India colonialism gave a certain structure to countries which may help in some ways but hinder in others. We did bad things. Conquerors usually do whether to other peoples or their own. We were no different. It does not make it right, but it is what happens and we should realise we are as guilty as anyone. Equally we don't need to spend our time self-flagellating over it. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 09:33 - Sep 2 with 1029 views | monmouth |
Not sure right wing views do represent the UK majority, although I suppose the rapidly aging bias of population, and its associated relative wealth and shouting power, probably does push general sentiment that way. Perhaps the true majority view is simply not politically mobilised or has any lobbying power? The current shambles was elected by 24% of those actually entitled to vote wasn't it? | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 10:09 - Sep 2 with 1016 views | perchrockjack |
Another professor post that both informs and entertains.
I too differ from him politically as I do many but Im not having it being refered to as having right wing views. FFS Im anti royalist for a start and actually feel quite ashamed of our colonial past. YES, the truth is out and you ve been suckered once again.
As Ive said, many times, few if any "ordinary" people benefited from our colonial past. Our treatment of natives was often appalling not least the fact we sent missionaries to tame the savage and bring "the light of Jesus into their lives".
When they got sick of this, funnily enough ,they asked us to get the feck out, which we did in fairness and weleft on better terms than the appalling French,bastardy Belgians and the Portuguese who were appalling. THE FACT that most African countries haven't quite managed to get it together may have something to do with us stripping away what infra structure they had.
NOW, don't apologise for getting me wrong. Just contribute to this
http://www.clatterbridgecc.nhs.uk/ | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 10:20 - Sep 2 with 999 views | Professor |
| Colonial days and the natives on 09:33 - Sep 2 by monmouth |
Not sure right wing views do represent the UK majority, although I suppose the rapidly aging bias of population, and its associated relative wealth and shouting power, probably does push general sentiment that way. Perhaps the true majority view is simply not politically mobilised or has any lobbying power? The current shambles was elected by 24% of those actually entitled to vote wasn't it? |
Plus the 4 million or so who voted UKIP means a sizeable proportion do support fairly right wing parties. Sadly more than those who beleive in socialism in any form. Wirral, where geographically at least, both Perch and I live is an odd microcosm of the UK with wealthy and poor cheek-by-jowl. The.postcode where I live (CH64) has the biggest social range and house price variation in a single UK postcode ranging from millionaire mansions ( in Burton from where John Peel came) to council flats in East Neston. Makes an intersesrin political mix, but has low numbers of ethnic minorities. The Wirral does seem to throw up a lot of hypocritical socialists , yet favour selective schools and have a very nimby attitude. Whatever your views on Perch , a hypocrite he is not. I may disagree with him but have a great deal of respect for him. | | | |
| Colonial days and the natives on 10:33 - Sep 2 with 994 views | Highjack |
| Colonial days and the natives on 09:33 - Sep 2 by monmouth |
Not sure right wing views do represent the UK majority, although I suppose the rapidly aging bias of population, and its associated relative wealth and shouting power, probably does push general sentiment that way. Perhaps the true majority view is simply not politically mobilised or has any lobbying power? The current shambles was elected by 24% of those actually entitled to vote wasn't it? |
The percentage of the vote doesn't matter. The majority of people in Scotland voted against the snp but they've got almost every seat.
Ditto bliars government. Complete landslide, but only around 28% of the vote from memory. Might be wrong but it's around that mark.
If the percentage mattered we'd have around 80 ukip MPs. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 10:42 - Sep 2 with 988 views | yescomeon |
| Colonial days and the natives on 10:33 - Sep 2 by Highjack |
The percentage of the vote doesn't matter. The majority of people in Scotland voted against the snp but they've got almost every seat.
Ditto bliars government. Complete landslide, but only around 28% of the vote from memory. Might be wrong but it's around that mark.
If the percentage mattered we'd have around 80 ukip MPs. |
They didn't vote against the SNP, they just didn't vote for it. |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 10:45 - Sep 2 with 972 views | yescomeon |
| Colonial days and the natives on 09:21 - Sep 2 by Professor |
Another point is there is now Chinese 'economic colonialism' in Africa. China is now building or re-building much of the infrastructure in Africa. Very much the case in Ethiopia where the surrounds of Addis are filling with giant industrial parks to build Chinese goods. As China, it's economic downturn not withstanding, becomes a rich society they are outsourcing. Most remarkable is a toll motorway between Addis and the city of Nazret/Adama and eventually through the Rift Valley to Djibouti to improve transport of goods to port. Is this any different?
I would also state I do not share Perch's political views, but his are currently the majority of the UK and should be respected. The original rhetorical question was to promote debate after all. Views of the UK differ through Africa as the experience of the population under colonial rule varied. As in India colonialism gave a certain structure to countries which may help in some ways but hinder in others. We did bad things. Conquerors usually do whether to other peoples or their own. We were no different. It does not make it right, but it is what happens and we should realise we are as guilty as anyone. Equally we don't need to spend our time self-flagellating over it. |
Yeah, I saw some photos of the Chinese building throughout Africa, with road signs in Chinese, crazy. I believe the Brazilians are involved in land grabs (along with many other countries no doubt) in Africa with view to developing large scale industrial agriculture. There are a few people in my department working on research surrounding that I believe. | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 10:48 - Sep 2 with 967 views | perchrockjack |
Yes prof, and don't forget how close we are to Caldy.
Our lad went to school with many millionaire sons and they were ok actually and some ended up in the same university.
As regards CH64, Neston has an interesting history and has areas of modern day "poverty" although having worked the Drake Rd area, its not really that bad as most inner London cess pits.
Finally, Prof , we went to your Victoria museum on the campus and it was terrific but why free? I cant understand why museums are free in our County. Worth every penny of a fiver admission surely | |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 11:04 - Sep 2 with 951 views | waynekerr55 |
| Colonial days and the natives on 10:33 - Sep 2 by Highjack |
The percentage of the vote doesn't matter. The majority of people in Scotland voted against the snp but they've got almost every seat.
Ditto bliars government. Complete landslide, but only around 28% of the vote from memory. Might be wrong but it's around that mark.
If the percentage mattered we'd have around 80 ukip MPs. |
Why let the facts get in the way of a good RANT?
I'm just as guilty of this crime may I ADD! |  |
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| Colonial days and the natives on 11:43 - Sep 2 with 928 views | perchrockjack |
No Wnynea.
You re a innocent as the Driven SNOW | |
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