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We're not civilised we are "post"-civilised as we lack the moral courage to punish.
Capital punishment and public law and order in a broader sense were designed to stop never ending murderous feuds of vengeance between families and they did so really well but due to us living under the disproven and defunct scribblings of dead economists we now see transgression however brutal, wicked and unprovoked as proof of victimhood.
It is utterly sick in every sense.
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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Lee Rigby witness on 12:30 - Oct 29 with 835 views
Innit why the f*ck would anyone want Ian Watkins for instance treated respectfully?
I don't think that scumbag is being treating respectfully Darran, If you gave him a gun he's shoot himself right now. He is paying for what he did, every second of every day looking over his shoulder.
He was fine before and no more a suicide risk than you or me.
Punishment has to be worthy of the name.
I've said, I'm ambivolent, although most have missed that, but I believe it could/should an option.
Liberal laws and their interpretation has not benefited our society, some would argue and do people feel safer ,as a result of us releasing killers back on to the streets.
What if we treat them nice 364 days a year, with nice comfortable warm cells and nice food and entertainment to keep the liberals happy, then on the anniversary of their crime give them an annual flogging with a massive whip based instrument until their within an inch of death as punishment?
Would that make everyone happy?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I don't think that scumbag is being treating respectfully Darran, If you gave him a gun he's shoot himself right now. He is paying for what he did, every second of every day looking over his shoulder.
Yeah that'll be it. If he was in with the lads he would be but he isn't so he won't be.
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What if we treat them nice 364 days a year, with nice comfortable warm cells and nice food and entertainment to keep the liberals happy, then on the anniversary of their crime give them an annual flogging with a massive whip based instrument until their within an inch of death as punishment?
Would that make everyone happy?
This Referenda lark is all the go, High. Why not stage a national vote and discover if a majority of our people agree that the Capital Sanction ought to be restored as an option for the Judiciary. A simple yes or no would put the matter to rest.
'Democratia:' That Idea our people are expected to die for and the benighted have to have imposed on them.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Lee Rigby witness on 16:57 - Oct 29 with 747 views
This Referenda lark is all the go, High. Why not stage a national vote and discover if a majority of our people agree that the Capital Sanction ought to be restored as an option for the Judiciary. A simple yes or no would put the matter to rest.
'Democratia:' That Idea our people are expected to die for and the benighted have to have imposed on them.
We should never again have another referendum. In fact, I'd legislate to make them illegal.
We should never again have another referendum. In fact, I'd legislate to make them illegal.
How about a referendum to decide that?
I agree with you, or should I say we should never have been asked to decide on Brexit. Whichever way you voted there could be regrets. I know I regret my vote!
I'd also say that where referenda do take place there should be needed a significant majority (65%) to break the status quo.
Has the murder rate increased or decreased since the abolition of hanging? Genuine question. I don't know the answer. I do know that hanging was abolished for an experimental period in the 60s and when there was no significant impact on the number of crimes that used to be punishable by hanging, parliament voted to abolish it permanently. I don't believe it was ever part of the deal to have more punitive custodial sentences in place for the crimes for which hanging used to be an option. Those sentences were already available to the courts.
Has the murder rate increased or decreased since the abolition of hanging? Genuine question. I don't know the answer. I do know that hanging was abolished for an experimental period in the 60s and when there was no significant impact on the number of crimes that used to be punishable by hanging, parliament voted to abolish it permanently. I don't believe it was ever part of the deal to have more punitive custodial sentences in place for the crimes for which hanging used to be an option. Those sentences were already available to the courts.
A quick google suggests it's impossible to tell because the home office measure murder differently these days in the stats. For example Harold shipman would only have counted for 1 incident before 1998, whereas now he'd count as 227 murders or whatever it was.
There's also a campaign group who claim murder has doubled but I'd imagine it would be a lot easier to convict these days with all the advances in forensics, Dna, cameras everywhere etc.
So I'll guess we'll never know.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
It is worth pointing out as well that due to the massive improvements in healthcare many injuries which in the 60s would've resulted in death now do not.
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
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Lee Rigby witness on 17:45 - Oct 29 with 667 views
A quick google suggests it's impossible to tell because the home office measure murder differently these days in the stats. For example Harold shipman would only have counted for 1 incident before 1998, whereas now he'd count as 227 murders or whatever it was.
There's also a campaign group who claim murder has doubled but I'd imagine it would be a lot easier to convict these days with all the advances in forensics, Dna, cameras everywhere etc.
So I'll guess we'll never know.
I had a feeling that would be the case. Each side will be able to choose whichever stat backs up their argument. Makes little difference to me of course. I'm opposed to corporal and capital punishment regardless of circumstances. Fully accept that I'm probably in a minority.
Lee Rigby witness on 17:45 - Oct 29 by sherpajacob
Would having the death penalty as an option deterred Lee Rigbys killer?
Who knows for sure but you'd have to think that two people on a religious crusade which espouses that martyrdom is something to aspire to wouldn't have been deterred by the prospect of death in any way.
Good read that. There is of course a diametrically opposite view of Jenkins' legacy. For me he's possibly the greatest Home Secretary the country has had this past century, mainly for all the reasons the author of the Telegraph opinion piece rails against. Again, fully accept that you'll have a different view.
Talking of Roy Jenkins, although I agree with a lot of what he stood for I enjoyed watching this debate with Tony Benn on Europe...I'm with Tony Benn on this issue (top quality honest debate though, the sort we don't see too much of these days):
I agree with you, or should I say we should never have been asked to decide on Brexit. Whichever way you voted there could be regrets. I know I regret my vote!
I'd also say that where referenda do take place there should be needed a significant majority (65%) to break the status quo.
I agree.
The last referendum has served one purpose and that is to divide this country - which is what the government wanted all along.
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