| Trauma Unit 07:33 - Jun 28 with 10212 views | Private_Partz |
BBC Cardiff have been softening us up this morning concerning the location of the Trauma Unit. A panel of experts have recommended Cardiff. This despite there being another unit 20 miles away in Bristol and twice the root of eff all in the rest of Wales.
It seems that the health of the Pricipality comes second to all things Cardiff City State. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 14:12 - Jul 6 with 1635 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 09:36 - Jul 6 by johnlangy |
My letter to the EP sent yesterday.
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The panel set up by the Assembly to decide on where the Welsh Major Trauma Centre should be sited is, apparently, recommending it should be sited in Cardiff. This following on from the disgraceful decision to centralise neurosurgery in Cardiff a few years ago. If this does happen it will be yet another shameful decision by this Cardiff centric Labour government.
And even more shameful is the fact that i’ve heard precisely nothing from the Labour AM’s elected to represent South West Wales in the Assembly. As usual, I imagine, they’ll just put their hands up and vote for it as and when instructed.
The pro Swansea arguments are very similar to the ones for neurosurgery
1 Far more people living outside the crucial recommended treatment window if it goes to Cardiff.
2 Far superior access to Morriston when you actually get to the motorway junction.
3 The fact that the two Bristol MTC’s will be just 20 miles away if you live in South East Wales.
If the pro Cardiff decision goes ahead this will be a political decision.
And who are these people tasked with making this recommendation and how competent are they ?
When the neurosurgery commission presented their conclusions one of the comments made was ‘we do not believe either site has a significant advantage in terms of helicopter access’. This comment made at a time when helicopters did not have 24 hour access to the Heath because of local by-laws. And, from memory, they didn’t even have an actual helipad either, that minor problem rectified VERY quickly when the decision was made.
If they do find in favour of Cardiff they’ll be putting at risk the lives of many people in South West Wales who are unfortunate enough to have a serious accident.
Shame on them if they do.
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Good letter.
If it does to to Vaughan Gething, like I say, he's a Cardiff AM. He needs to be inundated with complaints, and telling him, unequivocally, that they're risking the health of poor people to centralise wealth for the rich. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 16:57 - Jul 6 with 1600 views | Private_Partz |
| Trauma Unit on 14:12 - Jul 6 by CopperJack |
Good letter.
If it does to to Vaughan Gething, like I say, he's a Cardiff AM. He needs to be inundated with complaints, and telling him, unequivocally, that they're risking the health of poor people to centralise wealth for the rich. |
I have been sent some attachments by JJ''s assistant in relation to the proposed MTC. I assume those who emailed her will have the same. Any chance someone could put them up here. ? If not I will have a go later. Apologies for not doing it sooner. Under the weather at the moment. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 18:00 - Jul 6 with 1595 views | union_jack |
| Trauma Unit on 16:57 - Jul 6 by Private_Partz |
I have been sent some attachments by JJ''s assistant in relation to the proposed MTC. I assume those who emailed her will have the same. Any chance someone could put them up here. ? If not I will have a go later. Apologies for not doing it sooner. Under the weather at the moment. |
I have yes. Tried to c&p it on here but failed. From Vaughan Gething. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 20:44 - Jul 6 with 1579 views | nicky |
| Trauma Unit on 18:00 - Jul 6 by union_jack |
I have yes. Tried to c&p it on here but failed. From Vaughan Gething. |
this is what I received:
Dear Julie, 6 July 2017
Thank you for your email on behalf of your constituents regarding the location of a major trauma centre (MTC) for South Wales, West Wales and South Powys.
Major trauma is a minor element of emergency department work, equating to less than 0.2 per cent of total activity (i.e. two in every 1,000 patients). It is important to note that the location of the MTC is only one part of the overall plans for a major trauma network for the region.
Whichever site is ultimately chosen, Morriston Hospital and University Hospital of Wales (UHW), Cardiff will continue to be very important providers of highly specialised healthcare services for the public.
The MTC will receive patients who need the highest level of specialised care. All other seriously ill and injured patients will continue to go to the A&E departments that they currently go to. The creation of the network will not lead to the downgrading or closure of any A&E departments, as they will all work much more closely together to enable them all to provide better care for patients.
The NHS Wales Health Collaborative, which is undertaking a range of work programmes on behalf of health boards commissioned an expert review to advise on a preferred location for the MTC. Morriston and UHW are the only hospitals being considered as they are the only sites with the potential to meet the national standards for a major trauma centre.
In addition, work is being undertaken to identify how other hospitals in the region will support the preferred location as part of
a comprehensive major trauma network for South Wales. This will ensure patients receive their care in the most appropriate setting and will result in improved patient outcomes. The findings of this work will be considered by the six health boards covering South Wales — Hywel Dda, Abertawe Bro Morgannwg, Cwm Taf, Cardiff and Vale, Aneurin Bevan and Powys.
Therefore, no decisions have yet been made and there is still a great deal of work to be undertaken before health boards are in a position to make such decisions. The preferred option, rationale and supporting evidence will be the subject of discussion and engagement with the relevant community health councils.
Yours sincerely,
Vaughan Gething AC/AM
Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd, Llesiant a Chwaraeon Cabinet Secretary for Health, Well-being and Sport |  | | |
| Trauma Unit on 20:54 - Jul 6 with 1575 views | union_jack |
| Trauma Unit on 20:44 - Jul 6 by nicky |
this is what I received:
Dear Julie, 6 July 2017
Thank you for your email on behalf of your constituents regarding the location of a major trauma centre (MTC) for South Wales, West Wales and South Powys.
Major trauma is a minor element of emergency department work, equating to less than 0.2 per cent of total activity (i.e. two in every 1,000 patients). It is important to note that the location of the MTC is only one part of the overall plans for a major trauma network for the region.
Whichever site is ultimately chosen, Morriston Hospital and University Hospital of Wales (UHW), Cardiff will continue to be very important providers of highly specialised healthcare services for the public.
The MTC will receive patients who need the highest level of specialised care. All other seriously ill and injured patients will continue to go to the A&E departments that they currently go to. The creation of the network will not lead to the downgrading or closure of any A&E departments, as they will all work much more closely together to enable them all to provide better care for patients.
The NHS Wales Health Collaborative, which is undertaking a range of work programmes on behalf of health boards commissioned an expert review to advise on a preferred location for the MTC. Morriston and UHW are the only hospitals being considered as they are the only sites with the potential to meet the national standards for a major trauma centre.
In addition, work is being undertaken to identify how other hospitals in the region will support the preferred location as part of
a comprehensive major trauma network for South Wales. This will ensure patients receive their care in the most appropriate setting and will result in improved patient outcomes. The findings of this work will be considered by the six health boards covering South Wales — Hywel Dda, Abertawe Bro Morgannwg, Cwm Taf, Cardiff and Vale, Aneurin Bevan and Powys.
Therefore, no decisions have yet been made and there is still a great deal of work to be undertaken before health boards are in a position to make such decisions. The preferred option, rationale and supporting evidence will be the subject of discussion and engagement with the relevant community health councils.
Yours sincerely,
Vaughan Gething AC/AM
Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd, Llesiant a Chwaraeon Cabinet Secretary for Health, Well-being and Sport |
The very same. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 21:37 - Jul 6 with 1557 views | cymrojack |
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| Trauma Unit on 21:46 - Jul 6 with 1554 views | Private_Partz |
| Trauma Unit on 20:44 - Jul 6 by nicky |
this is what I received:
Dear Julie, 6 July 2017
Thank you for your email on behalf of your constituents regarding the location of a major trauma centre (MTC) for South Wales, West Wales and South Powys.
Major trauma is a minor element of emergency department work, equating to less than 0.2 per cent of total activity (i.e. two in every 1,000 patients). It is important to note that the location of the MTC is only one part of the overall plans for a major trauma network for the region.
Whichever site is ultimately chosen, Morriston Hospital and University Hospital of Wales (UHW), Cardiff will continue to be very important providers of highly specialised healthcare services for the public.
The MTC will receive patients who need the highest level of specialised care. All other seriously ill and injured patients will continue to go to the A&E departments that they currently go to. The creation of the network will not lead to the downgrading or closure of any A&E departments, as they will all work much more closely together to enable them all to provide better care for patients.
The NHS Wales Health Collaborative, which is undertaking a range of work programmes on behalf of health boards commissioned an expert review to advise on a preferred location for the MTC. Morriston and UHW are the only hospitals being considered as they are the only sites with the potential to meet the national standards for a major trauma centre.
In addition, work is being undertaken to identify how other hospitals in the region will support the preferred location as part of
a comprehensive major trauma network for South Wales. This will ensure patients receive their care in the most appropriate setting and will result in improved patient outcomes. The findings of this work will be considered by the six health boards covering South Wales — Hywel Dda, Abertawe Bro Morgannwg, Cwm Taf, Cardiff and Vale, Aneurin Bevan and Powys.
Therefore, no decisions have yet been made and there is still a great deal of work to be undertaken before health boards are in a position to make such decisions. The preferred option, rationale and supporting evidence will be the subject of discussion and engagement with the relevant community health councils.
Yours sincerely,
Vaughan Gething AC/AM
Ysgrifennydd y Cabinet dros Iechyd, Llesiant a Chwaraeon Cabinet Secretary for Health, Well-being and Sport |
Thanks or that. He is making excuses from the off don't you think? It's not that important so Cardiff might as well have it. If they are so small and insignificant then surely 3 covering the whole of Wales outside of Cardiff, which is already covered by Bristol, would seem doable.
I have no doubt it is going there and the justification will be that the expertise is already in Cardiff. Compounding the error of said expertise being put there in the first place. [Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:47]
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| Trauma Unit on 12:31 - Jul 7 with 1486 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 21:46 - Jul 6 by Private_Partz |
Thanks or that. He is making excuses from the off don't you think? It's not that important so Cardiff might as well have it. If they are so small and insignificant then surely 3 covering the whole of Wales outside of Cardiff, which is already covered by Bristol, would seem doable.
I have no doubt it is going there and the justification will be that the expertise is already in Cardiff. Compounding the error of said expertise being put there in the first place. [Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:47]
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Absolutely making excuses. He still doesn't address why Cardiff gets 2 within 30 minutes, and west Wales has to travel over an hour...or is it just because they're rich? Again, does the health and wellbeing of rich people matter more (like we saw in Grenfell, it clearly does).
Respond to him and point this out. Politicise the issue. Tell them you're disgusted, won't be voting Labour and that clearly, the wealthy south east is more important than south west. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 13:06 - Jul 7 with 1471 views | pikeypaul |
| Trauma Unit on 12:31 - Jul 7 by CopperJack |
Absolutely making excuses. He still doesn't address why Cardiff gets 2 within 30 minutes, and west Wales has to travel over an hour...or is it just because they're rich? Again, does the health and wellbeing of rich people matter more (like we saw in Grenfell, it clearly does).
Respond to him and point this out. Politicise the issue. Tell them you're disgusted, won't be voting Labour and that clearly, the wealthy south east is more important than south west. |
The clueless will carry on voting Labour anyway.
And the Ams know it,that's why they do not care
a toss about anything outside Cardiff. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:42 - Jul 7 with 1461 views | cymrojack |
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| Trauma Unit on 14:56 - Jul 7 with 1433 views | Private_Partz |
| Trauma Unit on 09:36 - Jul 6 by johnlangy |
My letter to the EP sent yesterday.
*************************************************************
The panel set up by the Assembly to decide on where the Welsh Major Trauma Centre should be sited is, apparently, recommending it should be sited in Cardiff. This following on from the disgraceful decision to centralise neurosurgery in Cardiff a few years ago. If this does happen it will be yet another shameful decision by this Cardiff centric Labour government.
And even more shameful is the fact that i’ve heard precisely nothing from the Labour AM’s elected to represent South West Wales in the Assembly. As usual, I imagine, they’ll just put their hands up and vote for it as and when instructed.
The pro Swansea arguments are very similar to the ones for neurosurgery
1 Far more people living outside the crucial recommended treatment window if it goes to Cardiff.
2 Far superior access to Morriston when you actually get to the motorway junction.
3 The fact that the two Bristol MTC’s will be just 20 miles away if you live in South East Wales.
If the pro Cardiff decision goes ahead this will be a political decision.
And who are these people tasked with making this recommendation and how competent are they ?
When the neurosurgery commission presented their conclusions one of the comments made was ‘we do not believe either site has a significant advantage in terms of helicopter access’. This comment made at a time when helicopters did not have 24 hour access to the Heath because of local by-laws. And, from memory, they didn’t even have an actual helipad either, that minor problem rectified VERY quickly when the decision was made.
If they do find in favour of Cardiff they’ll be putting at risk the lives of many people in South West Wales who are unfortunate enough to have a serious accident.
Shame on them if they do.
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Did you get your letter published John? I tried checking on the shocking site thst is WOL and all I can get are links to the letters in the Western Mail and South Wales Echo. What a surprise! It's like N Korea here. [Post edited 7 Jul 2017 15:04]
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To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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| Trauma Unit on 15:03 - Jul 7 with 1430 views | Private_Partz |
| Trauma Unit on 11:53 - Jul 6 by westside |
How come BBC Wales learned of the outcome of the panel's decision and shouldn't BBC Wales be investigated for broadcasting unclassified or misleading imformation ?
Someone from the panel must of leaked the decision and so the panel should be seen as unprofessional and be disbanded with it's recommendation being worthless |
This is a very good point. Wtf are BBC Cardiff doing producing there 'understands' report? It is right up there with the Sun and Daily Jackboot (Mail).
They should be made to account for this because it is either WAG or them that are lying. [Post edited 7 Jul 2017 15:05]
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| You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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| Trauma Unit on 22:16 - Jul 7 with 1383 views | SPboy |
| Trauma Unit on 21:46 - Jul 6 by Private_Partz |
Thanks or that. He is making excuses from the off don't you think? It's not that important so Cardiff might as well have it. If they are so small and insignificant then surely 3 covering the whole of Wales outside of Cardiff, which is already covered by Bristol, would seem doable.
I have no doubt it is going there and the justification will be that the expertise is already in Cardiff. Compounding the error of said expertise being put there in the first place. [Post edited 6 Jul 2017 21:47]
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Absolutely. Making excuses is exactly how I read that too.
On another point the AM for Swansea West has not replied to my e-mail even though she has had a full 8 days to do so. Too many home truths in my email most probably |  | | |
| Trauma Unit on 23:47 - Jul 7 with 1353 views | johnlangy |
| Trauma Unit on 14:56 - Jul 7 by Private_Partz |
Did you get your letter published John? I tried checking on the shocking site thst is WOL and all I can get are links to the letters in the Western Mail and South Wales Echo. What a surprise! It's like N Korea here. [Post edited 7 Jul 2017 15:04]
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I sent it on the 5th so i'll be keeping an eye on the post from Sat onwards.
I haven't checked wos. I'll do it tomorrow. | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 12:21 - Jul 9 with 1278 views | CopperJack |
Just responded to Tony Hill (who emailed us all back) and cc'd in Vaughan Gething.
Dear Mr Hill,
Thank you for getting back to me, although, quite why Mr Gething couldn't respond personally I am unsure. Furthermore, I would've liked a personalised response, as opposed to the same email that you've sent to other people concerned with Welsh Labour's worrying disregard for health.
Your response, whilst detailed, still doesn't address the issue. Why does Cardiff get 2 MTCs within 20 miles, whereas south west Wales (particularly from Llanelli westwards) has to travel over an hour, that very important metric in terms of delivering the best results in trauma cases, just to access 1? Is Welsh Labour terrified of taking these jobs outside of Cardiff? Is their project to centralise wealth in their capital city really more important than the health and wellbeing of many of Wales' most poor residents?
Welsh Labour is enacting Conservative-style policies that ostracise the poor, and introduce policies that benefit the wealthy. The absurdity of building a MTC within 30 minutes of another MTC so that well-paid jobs can be centralised in Cardiff shows the disdain Welsh Labour has for safe constituencies where the party doesn't need to fight for a vote.
As we've seen recently in London, the health and wellbeing of the poor is often neglected for the rich. I thought Welsh Labour was meant to be more advanced and less draconian than the Tories, but this policy just illustrates how out-of-touch your party is with ordinary people.
I don't suppose it'll make much difference, but I strongly urge you to choose Morriston as the location for the MTC and show that, for once, Wales doesn't end at Cardiff, and that the party isn't obtuse to spreading investment, and ensuring that all social classes have access to healthcare.
Regards, | |
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| Trauma Unit on 18:29 - Jul 10 with 1219 views | johnlangy |
| Trauma Unit on 09:36 - Jul 6 by johnlangy |
My letter to the EP sent yesterday.
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The panel set up by the Assembly to decide on where the Welsh Major Trauma Centre should be sited is, apparently, recommending it should be sited in Cardiff. This following on from the disgraceful decision to centralise neurosurgery in Cardiff a few years ago. If this does happen it will be yet another shameful decision by this Cardiff centric Labour government.
And even more shameful is the fact that i’ve heard precisely nothing from the Labour AM’s elected to represent South West Wales in the Assembly. As usual, I imagine, they’ll just put their hands up and vote for it as and when instructed.
The pro Swansea arguments are very similar to the ones for neurosurgery
1 Far more people living outside the crucial recommended treatment window if it goes to Cardiff.
2 Far superior access to Morriston when you actually get to the motorway junction.
3 The fact that the two Bristol MTC’s will be just 20 miles away if you live in South East Wales.
If the pro Cardiff decision goes ahead this will be a political decision.
And who are these people tasked with making this recommendation and how competent are they ?
When the neurosurgery commission presented their conclusions one of the comments made was ‘we do not believe either site has a significant advantage in terms of helicopter access’. This comment made at a time when helicopters did not have 24 hour access to the Heath because of local by-laws. And, from memory, they didn’t even have an actual helipad either, that minor problem rectified VERY quickly when the decision was made.
If they do find in favour of Cardiff they’ll be putting at risk the lives of many people in South West Wales who are unfortunate enough to have a serious accident.
Shame on them if they do.
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The letter's in the EP today.
And still no response from Mike Hedges to m email. Perhaps he'll respond after reading the letter ? | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 19:27 - Jul 10 with 1200 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 18:29 - Jul 10 by johnlangy |
The letter's in the EP today.
And still no response from Mike Hedges to m email. Perhaps he'll respond after reading the letter ? |
Doubt it. I tweeted him a few times too and had no response. He's too busy tweeting about his visits to local events where no doubt he inspires them all with his pearly wisdom and winning personality. Only in Swansea would that man get anywhere near a political office. Keep trying, and keep trying with Vaughan Gething too. Eventually, it's his decision. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 17:39 - Jul 13 with 1135 views | johnlangy |
| Trauma Unit on 18:29 - Jul 10 by johnlangy |
The letter's in the EP today.
And still no response from Mike Hedges to m email. Perhaps he'll respond after reading the letter ? |
He did respond. On the same day as my letter was printed as it happens. My email's been down hence the delay in posting this. This is his response.
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I was born and live in Swansea and currently reside in Ynysforgan
My initial reaction to any proposed development is that I would like it in Swansea
This is no different
My thoughts are
Whilst it is difficult to respond to a report not yet published
Questions I will need to ask are
What they are recommending and why
The logic behind the decision
Who are the people making the recommendation
Will a major trauma unit affect general A+E waiting times
Will it reduce the number of beds available for non urgent surgery
Will its staffing effect the ability to carry out other medical interventions
What I will oppose is any suggestion that Burns and plastics or any other critical service is removed from Morriston
Yours sincerely
Mike Hedges
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What he doesn't say is he'll vote against it. He seems mostly concerned with whether it'll affect other specialisms. | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 22:31 - Jul 13 with 1088 views | NeathJack |
| Trauma Unit on 17:39 - Jul 13 by johnlangy |
He did respond. On the same day as my letter was printed as it happens. My email's been down hence the delay in posting this. This is his response.
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I was born and live in Swansea and currently reside in Ynysforgan
My initial reaction to any proposed development is that I would like it in Swansea
This is no different
My thoughts are
Whilst it is difficult to respond to a report not yet published
Questions I will need to ask are
What they are recommending and why
The logic behind the decision
Who are the people making the recommendation
Will a major trauma unit affect general A+E waiting times
Will it reduce the number of beds available for non urgent surgery
Will its staffing effect the ability to carry out other medical interventions
What I will oppose is any suggestion that Burns and plastics or any other critical service is removed from Morriston
Yours sincerely
Mike Hedges
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What he doesn't say is he'll vote against it. He seems mostly concerned with whether it'll affect other specialisms. |
And why isn't he asking those questions now?
The best way to influence a decision or recommendation is before it's made, not afterwards.
To be fair, I'm just impressed he was able to email a response while having his head buried that deep in sand. |  | | |
| Trauma Unit on 13:04 - Jul 14 with 1037 views | jack_lord |
I had a brief response from my AM but at least there was a brief response:
Thank you for your email to Jeremy Miles AM dtd 30th June detailing your views on current proposals for the Wales MTC.
Mr Miles has asked me to thank you for sharing your concerns and to reassure you that he will be meeting with the Cabinet Secretary of Health, Vaughan Gething next week to discuss the matter in some detail.
I hope that this will be of some reassurance to you.
Kind regards
Dilys Richards |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 14:22 - Jul 14 with 1015 views | MarinaJack |
The WA is based in Cardiff and is only concerned about Cardiff, we get nothing and further west get even less (not that bothers me tbh) | | | |
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