| Trauma Unit 07:33 - Jun 28 with 10210 views | Private_Partz |
BBC Cardiff have been softening us up this morning concerning the location of the Trauma Unit. A panel of experts have recommended Cardiff. This despite there being another unit 20 miles away in Bristol and twice the root of eff all in the rest of Wales.
It seems that the health of the Pricipality comes second to all things Cardiff City State. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 09:12 - Jul 1 with 1421 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 13:38 - Jun 30 by nicky |
this is what I sent:
Dear Mr Gething
I am concerned to read that the seemingly preferred choice for the Wales MTC is located in Cardiff.
This course of action would ensure that huge swathes of Wales along with North Devon and Cornwall would remain outside the "golden hour” for treatment following an accident or incident. Therefore, surely locating the MTC in the South East would be seen by the rest of Wales outside the South East as foolish at best and yet another case in a long list of Cardiff before anyone else at worst.
Surely the Welsh Government cannot ignore the health needs of a large percentage of its electorate?
Morriston would be the better location for the MTC based on the following:
- location (many more people would be within “golden hour” coverage)
- accessibility (immediate access off the nearby M4; dedicated helicopter access)
- clinical (Morriston is an important A&E centre with specialist personnel and facilities).
Locating the MTC further to the West is a “no brainer” if you want to ensure more people have earlier access to it. Locating it in Cardiff would just mean an overlap in provision with a centre already in Bristol.
I would sincerely hope that the AM’s for Swansea and further west are making you aware of the above, and acting in the best interests of the health of Wales's population.
I have attached a rather helpful map showing the population covered by the respective MTC locations.
Yours sincerely
Nick Rees
edited to add: the email address for his ministerial role is Correspondence.Vaughan.Gething@gov.wales [Post edited 30 Jun 2017 13:46]
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Excellent email - thanks for posting.
I went slightly-less diplomatic (but then, I've written to complain many times, so time for niceties has passed for me!)
Dear Mr Gething,
I am writing to you regarding the appalling decision to place the new MTC in Cardiff. It's long been acknowledged in Swansea that Welsh Labour only intends to create wealth in the south east of Wales. Indeed, the sheer fact that the Welsh Government spent more on the Wales Millenium Centre (one building!) than they intend to spend on the entire city centre regeneration of Swansea speaks volumes about the apathy with which the party treats its 'safe constituencies'.
However, prioritising the health of the wealthy at the expense of the impoverished is a utterly draconian measure, more in-line with Thatcherism than a supposedly left-leaning government. There is an MTC a mere 20 miles away from Cardiff, and even closer for Newport. Why does Cardiff get 2 of these centres within 20 miles, whereas if you live in Swansea/Llanelli/Camarthen and further, then you have to travel over an hour just for one?
Is Welsh Labour really that terrified about creating good jobs in the south-west so any job-creating investment must go into Cardiff? Or does our health simply not matter as much because we're less affluent regions and safe-Labour seats?
Welsh lives are being risked by this Tory-esque policy (prioritising the health of affluent, marginal constituencies), which makes no logistical, geographical, or health sense. Does this simply resort back to the Welsh Government displaying its obstinancy towards creating well-paid, publicly funded jobs outside of Cardiff, like when Swansea's Tax Centre and BBC offices were closed?
This latest, in a long line of Cardiff-centric policies, has actually made me embarrassed to call myself Welsh.
Kind regards,
As I say, Nicky's email was far more diplomatic, I wrote mine when I was very angry. But, please feel free to use any/all of it...
I also sent the same email to Julie. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 09:22 - Jul 1 with 1412 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trauma Unit on 09:03 - Jul 1 by CopperJack |
In fairness, you vote for a party that prioritises Cardiff wealth over our health. Nothing personal, but that is truly moronic. You never seem to mind them prioritising their wealth, but this is positively draconian. |
I have already said many times that I disagree with this particular decision.
I didn't take your comment of me being "truly moronic" as a personal insult, and I'm sure you won't take my observation that you are utterly clueless about the bigger picture personally either.
I trust no explanation will be required. |  | | |
| Trauma Unit on 20:48 - Jul 1 with 1368 views | r0ckin |
You'll all still vote labour so you deserve everything you get.
Moan, moan, moan but in reality we deserve our predicament. Fine vote labour in General Election if that's what you want but ffs wake up at the next WAG election.
But I don't hold my breath, we're not savvy like the Scots and that's why we get shat on. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 23:48 - Jul 1 with 1345 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trauma Unit on 20:48 - Jul 1 by r0ckin |
You'll all still vote labour so you deserve everything you get.
Moan, moan, moan but in reality we deserve our predicament. Fine vote labour in General Election if that's what you want but ffs wake up at the next WAG election.
But I don't hold my breath, we're not savvy like the Scots and that's why we get shat on. |
Well the Scots have returned SNP government in their parliament for a few years now, and they are being found out. It's no longer good enough to be a protest party against the Tories/Labour.
As for voting SNP in the general elections, the "savvy Scots" have ensured the Tories win the past two general elections and somehow managed to decrease the popularity of independence from Britain at the same time.
Not really savvy if you ask me. | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 07:21 - Jul 2 with 1317 views | johnlangy |
| Trauma Unit on 09:22 - Jul 1 by nice_to_michu |
I have already said many times that I disagree with this particular decision.
I didn't take your comment of me being "truly moronic" as a personal insult, and I'm sure you won't take my observation that you are utterly clueless about the bigger picture personally either.
I trust no explanation will be required. |
Michu. Could you explain what you mean by the bigger picture please ?
How does siting the MTC in Cardiff fit in with this bigger picture ? | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 07:45 - Jul 2 with 1318 views | trampie |
| Trauma Unit on 23:48 - Jul 1 by nice_to_michu |
Well the Scots have returned SNP government in their parliament for a few years now, and they are being found out. It's no longer good enough to be a protest party against the Tories/Labour.
As for voting SNP in the general elections, the "savvy Scots" have ensured the Tories win the past two general elections and somehow managed to decrease the popularity of independence from Britain at the same time.
Not really savvy if you ask me. |
The SNP are doing well, just recorded their second best ever GE result, Labour voters voted Conservative in Scotland, if Labour voters had voted Labour in Scotland then Corbyn would be in #10 right now. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 07:48 - Jul 2 with 1312 views | trampie |
| Trauma Unit on 07:21 - Jul 2 by johnlangy |
Michu. Could you explain what you mean by the bigger picture please ?
How does siting the MTC in Cardiff fit in with this bigger picture ? |
Yes how does siting the MTC in Cardiff fit in with this bigger picture ? | |
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| Trauma Unit on 08:21 - Jul 2 with 1299 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trauma Unit on 07:45 - Jul 2 by trampie |
The SNP are doing well, just recorded their second best ever GE result, Labour voters voted Conservative in Scotland, if Labour voters had voted Labour in Scotland then Corbyn would be in #10 right now. |
Eh, doing well? The SNP just lost 13 seats to the Tories, despite all the problems with the Tory campaign. They also lost seats to Labour. There is no positive spin to put on that.
Their education system is coming under massive amounts of criticism, and they are being hounded by left-wingers for not putting taxes up despite now having the power to do so.
Oh, and support for their raison d'être, independence, has fallen markedly despite the Brexit referendum and a poor Tory leader in Westminster.
The SNP are not "doing well". | | | |
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| Trauma Unit on 08:28 - Jul 2 with 1295 views | trampie |
| Trauma Unit on 08:21 - Jul 2 by nice_to_michu |
Eh, doing well? The SNP just lost 13 seats to the Tories, despite all the problems with the Tory campaign. They also lost seats to Labour. There is no positive spin to put on that.
Their education system is coming under massive amounts of criticism, and they are being hounded by left-wingers for not putting taxes up despite now having the power to do so.
Oh, and support for their raison d'être, independence, has fallen markedly despite the Brexit referendum and a poor Tory leader in Westminster.
The SNP are not "doing well". |
The SNP won virtually every seat last time out, that is a once in a thousand year job for a party like the SNP, they have higher taxes than the rest of the UK, I put a link up for you.
Labour voters voted Conservative, they were encouraged to do so to keep the SNP out, it back fired as if Labour voters had voted Labour then Labour would be in power right now ironically in a coalition with the SNP, lol | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:43 - Jul 2 with 1285 views | cymrojack |
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| Trauma Unit on 09:11 - Jul 2 with 1268 views | nice_to_michu |
| Trauma Unit on 08:28 - Jul 2 by trampie |
The SNP won virtually every seat last time out, that is a once in a thousand year job for a party like the SNP, they have higher taxes than the rest of the UK, I put a link up for you.
Labour voters voted Conservative, they were encouraged to do so to keep the SNP out, it back fired as if Labour voters had voted Labour then Labour would be in power right now ironically in a coalition with the SNP, lol |
"Have higher taxes than the rest of the U.K."
I'm not sure where you get this information, they don't.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40059574 | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 15:22 - Jul 2 with 1221 views | r0ckin |
| Trauma Unit on 23:48 - Jul 1 by nice_to_michu |
Well the Scots have returned SNP government in their parliament for a few years now, and they are being found out. It's no longer good enough to be a protest party against the Tories/Labour.
As for voting SNP in the general elections, the "savvy Scots" have ensured the Tories win the past two general elections and somehow managed to decrease the popularity of independence from Britain at the same time.
Not really savvy if you ask me. |
You don't understand the point.
For a long time they voted labour on mass, even more than Wales.
Then they realised labour were taking them for fools and voted SNP.
Then they realised the Union was under threat and Unionists started voting tory and elected the tories to official opposition.
Then in General Election they maintained the SNP as largest party but increased the votes for both tories and labour.
They therefore are voting with their heads.
What do we do in Wales? Vote labour, as we always do and what transpires from that? Sorry Carwyn did you say something mate, I didn't hear you.
In Swansea we moan constantly about Cardiff bias, what do we do increase the labour vote? What would that say to those in Cardiff bay, just think about it | |
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| Trauma Unit on 16:11 - Jul 2 with 1202 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 09:22 - Jul 1 by nice_to_michu |
I have already said many times that I disagree with this particular decision.
I didn't take your comment of me being "truly moronic" as a personal insult, and I'm sure you won't take my observation that you are utterly clueless about the bigger picture personally either.
I trust no explanation will be required. |
Bigger picture? I refuse to bandy insults with someone who votes to spend £15m worth of Welsh taxpayer money on bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, or closing the A&E in Llanelli, or giving Cardiff 2 MTCs in 30 miles, or spending more money on a building in Cardiff than an entire city centre regeneration in Swansea.
You, like the most of Swansea, get what you deserve. You vote to be ignored, and you get ignored. I'm only interested in speaking to people who actually want to help improve the health and wealth of south-west Wales.
Has anyone else written to their AM? Or had a response? Please do and use either (or both) of the templates provided. Email addresses are also enclosed above.
If you want to stop this, you need to act. Don't complain in 3 months when Vaughan Gething (a Cardiff AM) decides to give this to Cardiff if you didn't take 5 minutes to copy and paste his email address into your email provider and write (or copy!) a few lines about why this is such a shameful decision. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 16:56 - Jul 2 with 1194 views | Private_Partz |
| Trauma Unit on 16:11 - Jul 2 by CopperJack |
Bigger picture? I refuse to bandy insults with someone who votes to spend £15m worth of Welsh taxpayer money on bringing the Ashes to Cardiff, or closing the A&E in Llanelli, or giving Cardiff 2 MTCs in 30 miles, or spending more money on a building in Cardiff than an entire city centre regeneration in Swansea.
You, like the most of Swansea, get what you deserve. You vote to be ignored, and you get ignored. I'm only interested in speaking to people who actually want to help improve the health and wealth of south-west Wales.
Has anyone else written to their AM? Or had a response? Please do and use either (or both) of the templates provided. Email addresses are also enclosed above.
If you want to stop this, you need to act. Don't complain in 3 months when Vaughan Gething (a Cardiff AM) decides to give this to Cardiff if you didn't take 5 minutes to copy and paste his email address into your email provider and write (or copy!) a few lines about why this is such a shameful decision. |
A number of us have sent emails and it will be interesting to see what responses we get, if any. Particularly MH and JJ. Perhaps we should extend the email campaign to AMs further West than us. What the Hell are they doing? MH and JJ could claim his are will be covered regardless. Does Gower come into JJ's remit because they will not be covered by Cardiff.
I think I will be looking up the list of AMs who represent the area that would only be covered by the Swansea option and see what they think. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 17:09 - Jul 2 with 1184 views | johnlangy |
It's 5 days now since I emailed Mike Hedges and still no response. | | | |
| Trauma Unit on 17:10 - Jul 2 with 1184 views | r0ckin |
| Trauma Unit on 17:09 - Jul 2 by johnlangy |
It's 5 days now since I emailed Mike Hedges and still no response. |
Give the man a break, he's an AM he's rushed off his feet. That Mon-Thurs working is a tough gig. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 17:48 - Jul 2 with 1176 views | trampie |
Local authorities set council tax, taxes Governments are in control of the SNP charge their middle classes and up more than the UK Government charge.
Labour continued with a right wing tax policy when they were in office. [Post edited 2 Jul 2017 17:50]
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| Trauma Unit on 22:30 - Jul 2 with 1145 views | Slugster664 |
| Trauma Unit on 09:12 - Jul 1 by CopperJack |
Excellent email - thanks for posting.
I went slightly-less diplomatic (but then, I've written to complain many times, so time for niceties has passed for me!)
Dear Mr Gething,
I am writing to you regarding the appalling decision to place the new MTC in Cardiff. It's long been acknowledged in Swansea that Welsh Labour only intends to create wealth in the south east of Wales. Indeed, the sheer fact that the Welsh Government spent more on the Wales Millenium Centre (one building!) than they intend to spend on the entire city centre regeneration of Swansea speaks volumes about the apathy with which the party treats its 'safe constituencies'.
However, prioritising the health of the wealthy at the expense of the impoverished is a utterly draconian measure, more in-line with Thatcherism than a supposedly left-leaning government. There is an MTC a mere 20 miles away from Cardiff, and even closer for Newport. Why does Cardiff get 2 of these centres within 20 miles, whereas if you live in Swansea/Llanelli/Camarthen and further, then you have to travel over an hour just for one?
Is Welsh Labour really that terrified about creating good jobs in the south-west so any job-creating investment must go into Cardiff? Or does our health simply not matter as much because we're less affluent regions and safe-Labour seats?
Welsh lives are being risked by this Tory-esque policy (prioritising the health of affluent, marginal constituencies), which makes no logistical, geographical, or health sense. Does this simply resort back to the Welsh Government displaying its obstinancy towards creating well-paid, publicly funded jobs outside of Cardiff, like when Swansea's Tax Centre and BBC offices were closed?
This latest, in a long line of Cardiff-centric policies, has actually made me embarrassed to call myself Welsh.
Kind regards,
As I say, Nicky's email was far more diplomatic, I wrote mine when I was very angry. But, please feel free to use any/all of it...
I also sent the same email to Julie. |
Great email, what are the email addresses for Hedges, James and Gething please? TIA |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 22:49 - Jul 2 with 1127 views | jack_lord |
I have not received a response from my AM yet. Today I drove along the new road in Cardiff that cost £57 million pound. What a frucking vanity project.
The new Eastern Bay link road should cut around 1.5 miles off some journeys. Some frucking journeys. I timed my saving of approximately 2 minutes.
£57 million pounds. |  |
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| Trauma Unit on 08:45 - Jul 3 with 1089 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 22:30 - Jul 2 by Slugster664 |
Great email, what are the email addresses for Hedges, James and Gething please? TIA |
Thanks!
Correspondence.Vaughan.Gething@gov.wales
Julie.James@assembly.wales
I don't have Mike's sorry. Can anyone else help?
By the way, if they don't respond to email, maybe tweet them? Nobody likes negative public reactions on social media. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 17:32 - Jul 5 with 1009 views | union_jack |
Copy of reply from Julie James:
Thank you very much for contacting me with regard to the location of the Major Trauma Unit. I have met with my other colleagues in the Swansea Bay area to discuss our views on where this unit will be located. We are pleased with the progress that the NHS has made in developing plans for a Major Trauma Network for South Wales, but no decision on the location of the Major Trauma Centre has been made as yet.
The BBC says it has 'learned' that Cardiff will be recommended for the Major Trauma Centre however there has been no formal recommendation received by the Welsh Government, however I can assure you that the Swansea Bay AMs are lobbying the Cabinet Secretary for Health regarding the issue of the Trauma Centre and will be meeting with him shortly. We are not aware at this moment of when the decision is due but it will be made later this year
Kind regards
Julie
Julie James AM for Swansea West
Telephone number: 01792 460836
Cardiff Bay: 0300 200 7137
www.juliejamesam.co.uk
1st Floor
11 Wind Street
SWANSEA
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| Trauma Unit on 08:59 - Jul 6 with 948 views | CopperJack |
| Trauma Unit on 17:32 - Jul 5 by union_jack |
Copy of reply from Julie James:
Thank you very much for contacting me with regard to the location of the Major Trauma Unit. I have met with my other colleagues in the Swansea Bay area to discuss our views on where this unit will be located. We are pleased with the progress that the NHS has made in developing plans for a Major Trauma Network for South Wales, but no decision on the location of the Major Trauma Centre has been made as yet.
The BBC says it has 'learned' that Cardiff will be recommended for the Major Trauma Centre however there has been no formal recommendation received by the Welsh Government, however I can assure you that the Swansea Bay AMs are lobbying the Cabinet Secretary for Health regarding the issue of the Trauma Centre and will be meeting with him shortly. We are not aware at this moment of when the decision is due but it will be made later this year
Kind regards
Julie
Julie James AM for Swansea West
Telephone number: 01792 460836
Cardiff Bay: 0300 200 7137
www.juliejamesam.co.uk
1st Floor
11 Wind Street
SWANSEA
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Was just about the post as well. I had the same response. BBC has learned it because it's going to happen. Not a single one of them has spoken out. Bethan Jenkins tweeted, in fairness, saying 'Surely Cardiff can't have everything?'
If the decision comes down to Vaughan Gething, an AM for Cardiff, how do we honestly think they'll vote?
The health and wellbeing of poor people matters far less than the health and wellbeing of rich people. This is basically a Tory policy.
We can't let this settle.
Just like there was little outcry when the Welsh Government broke its promise to deliver a second marina in SA1, or chose to regenerate Penarth Pier instead of Mumbles, or close our BBC offices to create more jobs in Cardiff, or spend billions on Cardiff Bay and St Davids, or £40+m on the millenium centre whilst giving our city centre regeneration £20m IN TOTAL, or the fact that they're spending DOUBLE on Cardiff's city deal than ours, a lack of public outrage will allow this to happen.
Please, continue to petition, write emails, and do not allow this to happen.
Clearly our AMs have no intention of fighting this. | |
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| Trauma Unit on 09:36 - Jul 6 with 930 views | johnlangy |
| Trauma Unit on 08:59 - Jul 6 by CopperJack |
Was just about the post as well. I had the same response. BBC has learned it because it's going to happen. Not a single one of them has spoken out. Bethan Jenkins tweeted, in fairness, saying 'Surely Cardiff can't have everything?'
If the decision comes down to Vaughan Gething, an AM for Cardiff, how do we honestly think they'll vote?
The health and wellbeing of poor people matters far less than the health and wellbeing of rich people. This is basically a Tory policy.
We can't let this settle.
Just like there was little outcry when the Welsh Government broke its promise to deliver a second marina in SA1, or chose to regenerate Penarth Pier instead of Mumbles, or close our BBC offices to create more jobs in Cardiff, or spend billions on Cardiff Bay and St Davids, or £40+m on the millenium centre whilst giving our city centre regeneration £20m IN TOTAL, or the fact that they're spending DOUBLE on Cardiff's city deal than ours, a lack of public outrage will allow this to happen.
Please, continue to petition, write emails, and do not allow this to happen.
Clearly our AMs have no intention of fighting this. |
My letter to the EP sent yesterday.
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The panel set up by the Assembly to decide on where the Welsh Major Trauma Centre should be sited is, apparently, recommending it should be sited in Cardiff. This following on from the disgraceful decision to centralise neurosurgery in Cardiff a few years ago. If this does happen it will be yet another shameful decision by this Cardiff centric Labour government.
And even more shameful is the fact that i’ve heard precisely nothing from the Labour AM’s elected to represent South West Wales in the Assembly. As usual, I imagine, they’ll just put their hands up and vote for it as and when instructed.
The pro Swansea arguments are very similar to the ones for neurosurgery
1 Far more people living outside the crucial recommended treatment window if it goes to Cardiff.
2 Far superior access to Morriston when you actually get to the motorway junction.
3 The fact that the two Bristol MTC’s will be just 20 miles away if you live in South East Wales.
If the pro Cardiff decision goes ahead this will be a political decision.
And who are these people tasked with making this recommendation and how competent are they ?
When the neurosurgery commission presented their conclusions one of the comments made was ‘we do not believe either site has a significant advantage in terms of helicopter access’. This comment made at a time when helicopters did not have 24 hour access to the Heath because of local by-laws. And, from memory, they didn’t even have an actual helipad either, that minor problem rectified VERY quickly when the decision was made.
If they do find in favour of Cardiff they’ll be putting at risk the lives of many people in South West Wales who are unfortunate enough to have a serious accident.
Shame on them if they do.
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:06 - Jul 6 with 919 views | cymrojack |
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| Trauma Unit on 11:53 - Jul 6 with 902 views | westside |
How come BBC Wales learned of the outcome of the panel's decision and shouldn't BBC Wales be investigated for broadcasting unclassified or misleading imformation ?
Someone from the panel must of leaked the decision and so the panel should be seen as unprofessional and be disbanded with it's recommendation being worthless |  | | |
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