| Kolli 18:14 - Nov 1 with 54687 views | connell10 |
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| Kolli on 13:28 - Dec 8 with 1928 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 13:19 - Dec 8 by DannyPaddox |
Your reading between the lines is way off there Baz. He’s not training or getting the consistency because he’s injured. Thats a dreadful defamatory word you used there. |
In agreement with this...
"I’d like to use him more but with the injuries it’s difficult"
This suggests to me that there has been multiple injuries / knocks. It's clear that the club has been very careful with integrating players too quickly or overworking players this season as we've seen with RND, JCS, Chair and Poku. Can see why people would be frustrated with this but personally prefer this over the likes of Beale running Willock's hamstrings into mince meat |  | | |
| Kolli on 13:36 - Dec 8 with 1842 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Kolli on 13:28 - Dec 8 by QPRSam |
In agreement with this...
"I’d like to use him more but with the injuries it’s difficult"
This suggests to me that there has been multiple injuries / knocks. It's clear that the club has been very careful with integrating players too quickly or overworking players this season as we've seen with RND, JCS, Chair and Poku. Can see why people would be frustrated with this but personally prefer this over the likes of Beale running Willock's hamstrings into mince meat |
Yeah, but this doesn't fit with his Dad saying he wants to play and is fit, but the club don't want him?!
Very strange. Have to wait 10 years to hear his side on the Undr The Cosh equivalent.
"I'm sorry you can't see your favourite players" |  | | |
| Kolli on 13:46 - Dec 8 with 1781 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 13:36 - Dec 8 by nick_hammersmith |
Yeah, but this doesn't fit with his Dad saying he wants to play and is fit, but the club don't want him?!
Very strange. Have to wait 10 years to hear his side on the Undr The Cosh equivalent.
"I'm sorry you can't see your favourite players" |
That was 6 weeks ago so it could fit, we all know Kolli's history and that is being plagued by injuries in his short career so far, any more isn't exactly a surprise unfortunately | | | |
| Kolli on 14:04 - Dec 8 with 1676 views | TK1 |
| Kolli on 12:11 - Dec 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Just hard to know where the fault lies though isn't it?
It should be noted that he's managed to play for Algeria twice though so maybe his injury is aggravated by geography. [Post edited 8 Dec 12:11]
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He played 20 minutes in the Hull game three weeks ago, his last game. During that brief period on the pitch he was stretching out his calf and hamstring like mad. That's not a conspiracy - we were talking about it, during the game, saying he looked like he was done.
Since then he's been injured. He's has multiple muscle injuries throughout his short career. He was out last season for three months with a hamstring injury. Some players, particularly young, still physically-developing players susceptible to muscle or knee injuries spend long periods out injured. It's how we signed the promising but permanently injured Sam Field.
Not everything's a conspiracy. And as annoying as the phrase was at the fans forum, sometimes your favourite player is just out injured.
He'll be back to help cover for Kone during AFCON, hopefully. | | | |
| Kolli on 14:10 - Dec 8 with 1625 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Kolli on 14:04 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
He played 20 minutes in the Hull game three weeks ago, his last game. During that brief period on the pitch he was stretching out his calf and hamstring like mad. That's not a conspiracy - we were talking about it, during the game, saying he looked like he was done.
Since then he's been injured. He's has multiple muscle injuries throughout his short career. He was out last season for three months with a hamstring injury. Some players, particularly young, still physically-developing players susceptible to muscle or knee injuries spend long periods out injured. It's how we signed the promising but permanently injured Sam Field.
Not everything's a conspiracy. And as annoying as the phrase was at the fans forum, sometimes your favourite player is just out injured.
He'll be back to help cover for Kone during AFCON, hopefully. |
Are Algeria not in the AFCON then? | | | |
| Kolli on 14:19 - Dec 8 with 1584 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 14:04 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
He played 20 minutes in the Hull game three weeks ago, his last game. During that brief period on the pitch he was stretching out his calf and hamstring like mad. That's not a conspiracy - we were talking about it, during the game, saying he looked like he was done.
Since then he's been injured. He's has multiple muscle injuries throughout his short career. He was out last season for three months with a hamstring injury. Some players, particularly young, still physically-developing players susceptible to muscle or knee injuries spend long periods out injured. It's how we signed the promising but permanently injured Sam Field.
Not everything's a conspiracy. And as annoying as the phrase was at the fans forum, sometimes your favourite player is just out injured.
He'll be back to help cover for Kone during AFCON, hopefully. |
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, i'm saying (I think) its well managed PR to cover the exclusion and possible exit of a in form and popular player.
A player rubbing his calf doesn't mean 'he's done'. |  | | |
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| Kolli on 14:30 - Dec 8 with 1510 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 13:19 - Dec 8 by DannyPaddox |
Your reading between the lines is way off there Baz. He’s not training or getting the consistency because he’s injured. Thats a dreadful defamatory word you used there. |
Yeah, sorry DP, I don't think so. I'm saying I think the club are using PR to portray a player a certain way ahead of his unpopular departure.
Remember when Dunne was injured v Millwall ahead of the transfer deadline. Club has form.
I think the only reason he'll still be here in February is if Nice don't match his valuation. [Post edited 8 Dec 14:31]
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| Kolli on 14:32 - Dec 8 with 1490 views | TK1 |
They've not announced their squad for AFCON. And since Kolli wasn't picked for the last two squads versus Zimbabwe and Saudi last month, it seems very unlikely he'll make the cut. | | | |
| Kolli on 14:40 - Dec 8 with 1423 views | wombat |
| Kolli on 14:32 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
They've not announced their squad for AFCON. And since Kolli wasn't picked for the last two squads versus Zimbabwe and Saudi last month, it seems very unlikely he'll make the cut. |
Think the sooner people adjuyst to him going prob in jan the better , as deomonstrated recently with furlong , if your face dosnt fit , you wont be around long ! club will sell him in jan take a fee with a rumoured massive sell on clause to appease the fans , next they will be linked to everyones fav ronnie edwards to keep the fans firmly on side . |  |
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| Kolli on 14:44 - Dec 8 with 1395 views | TK1 |
| Kolli on 14:19 - Dec 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, i'm saying (I think) its well managed PR to cover the exclusion and possible exit of a in form and popular player.
A player rubbing his calf doesn't mean 'he's done'. |
"I'm not saying it's a conspiracy..."
But
"its well managed PR to cover the exclusion and possible exit of a in form and popular player."
You're literally describing a conspiracy.
He was stretching hamstrings and calves. We said he looked done in that game. And he did! And he was. The game ended soon after.
Players get injured all the time. Vale is injured having walked off the pitch. Walsh broke his wrist in training. Are those conspiracies because we didn't see the injury occur? Also, if we get a transfer fee for a player, no matter how "popular or in form" ( debatable if those 20 mins make him in form or just your favourite player) that would be exactly what the club should be doing. You don't sell out of form, unpopular players. We need to sell players.
But let's see. I bet we see him again for QPR. You don't think we will. Time will tell. | | | |
| Kolli on 14:49 - Dec 8 with 1333 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 14:44 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
"I'm not saying it's a conspiracy..."
But
"its well managed PR to cover the exclusion and possible exit of a in form and popular player."
You're literally describing a conspiracy.
He was stretching hamstrings and calves. We said he looked done in that game. And he did! And he was. The game ended soon after.
Players get injured all the time. Vale is injured having walked off the pitch. Walsh broke his wrist in training. Are those conspiracies because we didn't see the injury occur? Also, if we get a transfer fee for a player, no matter how "popular or in form" ( debatable if those 20 mins make him in form or just your favourite player) that would be exactly what the club should be doing. You don't sell out of form, unpopular players. We need to sell players.
But let's see. I bet we see him again for QPR. You don't think we will. Time will tell. |
That definitely isn't anywhere near the literal description of conspiracy.
Why haven't we had three articles in a week about Poku's injury? | | | |
| Kolli on 14:49 - Dec 8 with 1333 views | 1JD |
| Kolli on 14:44 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
"I'm not saying it's a conspiracy..."
But
"its well managed PR to cover the exclusion and possible exit of a in form and popular player."
You're literally describing a conspiracy.
He was stretching hamstrings and calves. We said he looked done in that game. And he did! And he was. The game ended soon after.
Players get injured all the time. Vale is injured having walked off the pitch. Walsh broke his wrist in training. Are those conspiracies because we didn't see the injury occur? Also, if we get a transfer fee for a player, no matter how "popular or in form" ( debatable if those 20 mins make him in form or just your favourite player) that would be exactly what the club should be doing. You don't sell out of form, unpopular players. We need to sell players.
But let's see. I bet we see him again for QPR. You don't think we will. Time will tell. |
He was on the bench the next game though. Unused sub. | | | |
| Kolli on 14:57 - Dec 8 with 1283 views | TK1 |
| Kolli on 14:49 - Dec 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
That definitely isn't anywhere near the literal description of conspiracy.
Why haven't we had three articles in a week about Poku's injury? |
1) The club asking the manager to lie on camera in a press conference to mask true intentions about a player would definitely constitute a literal conspiracy. A conspiracy means: "a secret plan to do something dishonest".
2) Because Poku's on the bench and not therefore injured?
My question to you, though: why would it be bad to sell a contracted player for money in January or the summer in a position that we are well stocked in? Do QPR need to sell players every season? | | | |
| Kolli on 15:00 - Dec 8 with 1253 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 14:49 - Dec 8 by 1JD |
He was on the bench the next game though. Unused sub. |
Interesting.
Did you happen to see if he touched any body parts while he was there that would rule him out until now?
Sarcasm aside, the club statements just aren't consistent and I'm sorry their form on this is terrible.
Let me be clear on another thing, i'm not saying Kolli is a saint and it's more than possible that he's behaved in a way that has rightfully irked the club. I just think experienced and thicker skinned personel will have handled it better. | | | |
| Kolli on 15:03 - Dec 8 with 1214 views | TK1 |
| Kolli on 14:49 - Dec 8 by 1JD |
He was on the bench the next game though. Unused sub. |
And maybe he tweaked that in training subsequently? I don't know.
I mean, I literally don't know. Just as most here don't know. But if QPR can sell a squad player hungry for first team appearances to Nice in Ligue 1, a Euorpa League team on a very bad run but with a squad that would batter us most weeks then fair play. Let's see. | | | |
| Kolli on 15:09 - Dec 8 with 1174 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 14:57 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
1) The club asking the manager to lie on camera in a press conference to mask true intentions about a player would definitely constitute a literal conspiracy. A conspiracy means: "a secret plan to do something dishonest".
2) Because Poku's on the bench and not therefore injured?
My question to you, though: why would it be bad to sell a contracted player for money in January or the summer in a position that we are well stocked in? Do QPR need to sell players every season? |
1) I never said the club has asked anyone to lie. There is whole spectrum between the truth and a lie.
2) As someone else as pointed out, Kolli has also been on the bench recently enough to contradict that assertion that Kolli doesn't get games *this season* because of injuries.
To answer your question, it's bad because we've been told time and time again how essential to our survival youth players are.
It's bad because the club have been completely inconsistent on why he's not playing,
It's bad because a senior staff member screamed at him that he wouldn't be getting games in front of a canteen full of people.
This may all be unfortunate and the club are not guilty of all these things, in which case I apologise, but the in tray is full of incidents of the club's truth management isn't it? | | | |
| Kolli on 15:12 - Dec 8 with 1149 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 15:03 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
And maybe he tweaked that in training subsequently? I don't know.
I mean, I literally don't know. Just as most here don't know. But if QPR can sell a squad player hungry for first team appearances to Nice in Ligue 1, a Euorpa League team on a very bad run but with a squad that would batter us most weeks then fair play. Let's see. |
"Just as most here don't know"
Some do. They were called attention seekers. | | | |
| Kolli on 15:18 - Dec 8 with 1091 views | TK1 |
| Kolli on 15:09 - Dec 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
1) I never said the club has asked anyone to lie. There is whole spectrum between the truth and a lie.
2) As someone else as pointed out, Kolli has also been on the bench recently enough to contradict that assertion that Kolli doesn't get games *this season* because of injuries.
To answer your question, it's bad because we've been told time and time again how essential to our survival youth players are.
It's bad because the club have been completely inconsistent on why he's not playing,
It's bad because a senior staff member screamed at him that he wouldn't be getting games in front of a canteen full of people.
This may all be unfortunate and the club are not guilty of all these things, in which case I apologise, but the in tray is full of incidents of the club's truth management isn't it? |
If JS is saying Kolli is injured, on camera, on Saturday, and he's not injured then that has to be lie that people have discussed and agreed upon. There is no spectrum between that. It's one or the other. I believe he's unfit to picked, you think they're fibbing.
This bit though: "we've been told time and time again how essential to our survival youth players are."
They're essential because selling them is essential to the bottom line. So if he's being sold in January, why is that bad? | | | |
| Kolli on 15:19 - Dec 8 with 1080 views | QPRSam |
| Kolli on 15:09 - Dec 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
1) I never said the club has asked anyone to lie. There is whole spectrum between the truth and a lie.
2) As someone else as pointed out, Kolli has also been on the bench recently enough to contradict that assertion that Kolli doesn't get games *this season* because of injuries.
To answer your question, it's bad because we've been told time and time again how essential to our survival youth players are.
It's bad because the club have been completely inconsistent on why he's not playing,
It's bad because a senior staff member screamed at him that he wouldn't be getting games in front of a canteen full of people.
This may all be unfortunate and the club are not guilty of all these things, in which case I apologise, but the in tray is full of incidents of the club's truth management isn't it? |
The problem here is that no one can argue against this canteen incident as it could be true or complete rubbish - no one knows. You've been saying Kolli will be gone in January for a while now so we'll see
With the "inconsistent" statements, we're comparing interviews from the 7th November to the 8th December. Sure a month ago he could be kept out of the team because of competition, perhaps a month later JS wants to use him but now he's having injury problems. Both could be true, I don't see why they couldn't [Post edited 8 Dec 15:20]
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| Kolli on 15:28 - Dec 8 with 1000 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Kolli on 15:18 - Dec 8 by TK1 |
If JS is saying Kolli is injured, on camera, on Saturday, and he's not injured then that has to be lie that people have discussed and agreed upon. There is no spectrum between that. It's one or the other. I believe he's unfit to picked, you think they're fibbing.
This bit though: "we've been told time and time again how essential to our survival youth players are."
They're essential because selling them is essential to the bottom line. So if he's being sold in January, why is that bad? |
"They're essential because selling them is essential to the bottom line. So if he's being sold in January, why is that bad?"
Because he hasn't been developed as well as he should have.
Because his value hasn't increased as much as it should have.
Because his departure has not been planned, but might be linked to dreadful man-management. |  |
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| Kolli on 15:30 - Dec 8 with 980 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Kolli on 15:19 - Dec 8 by QPRSam |
The problem here is that no one can argue against this canteen incident as it could be true or complete rubbish - no one knows. You've been saying Kolli will be gone in January for a while now so we'll see
With the "inconsistent" statements, we're comparing interviews from the 7th November to the 8th December. Sure a month ago he could be kept out of the team because of competition, perhaps a month later JS wants to use him but now he's having injury problems. Both could be true, I don't see why they couldn't [Post edited 8 Dec 15:20]
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"Both could be true, I don't see why they couldn't"
Of course they could.
Some might even believe it.
Others won't.
Which is the problem when as a club you have a poor reputation for truth-telling. | |
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| Kolli on 15:43 - Dec 8 with 891 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Kolli on 15:19 - Dec 8 by QPRSam |
The problem here is that no one can argue against this canteen incident as it could be true or complete rubbish - no one knows. You've been saying Kolli will be gone in January for a while now so we'll see
With the "inconsistent" statements, we're comparing interviews from the 7th November to the 8th December. Sure a month ago he could be kept out of the team because of competition, perhaps a month later JS wants to use him but now he's having injury problems. Both could be true, I don't see why they couldn't [Post edited 8 Dec 15:20]
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On the canteen incident I guess it comes down to whether you believe otherwise reasonable posters or not. I'm not including myself of course.
At the risk of looking like back tracking, there are lots of reasons why a loan or transfer won't happen in January that wouldn't rule out the fact the club are unreasonably hostile against him, or that he was told he wasn't wanted, which is what i think is the case.
On your second thing, there is more competition with Chair and Poku back. Why not mention it or both this time round if it was good enough reason before? [Post edited 8 Dec 15:55]
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| Kolli on 16:17 - Dec 8 with 731 views | stevec |
Wearing your socks over your knees in the Championship is a red flag as far as I’m concerned. |  | | |
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