| QPR being sued on 17:13 - Feb 12 with 2309 views | BklynRanger |
What a minefield. I do feel for Amrit if that experience has rocked him psychologically. No excuse for that shyte - I bet he wouldn't have been so forward with the quips if he'd had Shittu on loan instead.
But it seems such a stretch to say that ended his career, and as a Norn Iron supporter I have to say if you're only getting picked once for the U21s at that point in time you are not likely to have Ā£11m of earnings stretching out in front of you.
It feels to me like another of those only-slightly-nuanced situations that we don't seem to do these days: yes it's true you were racially abused and that is unacceptable, no it did not stop you from being the next Eze. |  | |  |
| QPR being sued on 17:14 - Feb 12 with 2300 views | Juzzie |
I've been on jury service once many years ago and 5 days of going through the case, witnesses (who really weren't able to offer anything of use), defence & prosecution going through their sides of the situation and it really all boiled down to the defendant's word against the accused's word, how can you prove who is right and who is wrong?
You can't so we had to give a verdict of not guilty. Not because the accused didn't do it but because it could not be proved they did and to this day, either side's story is equally plausible. It wasn't clear, even without proof, who was correct.
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| QPR being sued on 17:21 - Feb 12 with 2215 views | daveB |
I feel for him but 11million and claiming to be at same level as Chair and Eze, come off it |  | | |
| QPR being sued on 17:21 - Feb 12 with 2215 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| QPR being sued on 16:46 - Feb 12 by dmm |
He really wasn't that good. While with us he went on loan to Torquay (National League), Dartford (National League South), Como (Serie C) and Crawley (League 2) and racked up a total of 13 appearances during those 4 loans. That, I think, tells us all we need to know about his footballing ability. |
I saw him play a number of times for the reserves at Heston: he had a few nice tricks and flicks but absolutely no physical presence being he was shorter and slighter than Ilias Chair. The lad is obviously very unhappy his football career didnāt work out but Iām sure the thousands of other academy players who have been released before and after him felt the same. There is no chance heāll win a claim for potential missed Championship level wages. |  | | |
| QPR being sued on 17:47 - Feb 12 with 2087 views | Boston |
| QPR being sued on 15:28 - Feb 12 by colinallcars |
āBoth have denied any wrongdoingā Since the Epstein file release we hear that on the news incessantly. |
Aw no, not Ramsey as well. |  |
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| QPR being sued on 17:50 - Feb 12 with 2071 views | BrazilNutR |
Even if all true, and certainly not a nice situation. If he were to win, imagine the number of similar claims that would start being made by every failed footballer from now on all trying to get their failed careers paid up in full. Ravel Morrison for example has tons of top pros much more powerful than Paul Hall saying he was the best talent they had ever seen..
You could also go as far as saying the fact that it had such an impact on him may suggest he didn't have the strength of character needed to make it as an Eze/Chair level player, regardless of ability. It is well known that it is not always the best players who go on to be the most successfull ones. [Post edited 12 Feb 19:06]
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| QPR being sued on 18:43 - Feb 12 with 1921 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| QPR being sued on 15:45 - Feb 12 by NW5Hoop |
I have said this before, but please donāt copy and paste whole pieces of journalism. That is someoneās work, and reposting it a) steals that work and b) puts Clive in breach of copyright. The link is free. You can refuse cookies. Just click the bloody link. |
The link isn't free if you want to refuse cookies. That'll cost you Ā£5 per month. [Post edited 12 Feb 19:15]
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| QPR being sued on 18:43 - Feb 12 with 1922 views | MrSheen |
I've been favourably compared to Warren Buffett at work. I'm taller than him, and younger. |  | | |
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| QPR being sued on 18:43 - Feb 12 with 1917 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| QPR being sued on 15:38 - Feb 12 by TomS |
I feel sorry for Paul Hall. All he was clearly trying to do was boost a young player's confidence.
If Harry Redknapp told a reporter that a young player in the reserves, with no first team appearances, could be as good as Luka Modric, would you rely on that as evidence in Court for a multi million pound claim? |
That wouldn't get you anywhere as Rosie has all the money. | | | |
| QPR being sued on 18:47 - Feb 12 with 1910 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| QPR being sued on 17:21 - Feb 12 by daveB |
I feel for him but 11million and claiming to be at same level as Chair and Eze, come off it |
I don't feel for him. He's clearly playing the race card in order to steal a living his talent doesn't merit. The irony is Ramsey and Hall are black. | | | |
| QPR being sued on 20:07 - Feb 12 with 1744 views | mart_Goblin |
Must have been tough for him to deal with that sort of abuse and vulgarity.
Football clubs are not the easiest places to be outspoken or stick your head above the parapet.
And the younger you are the harder it is. No one should put up with that .
But there is a fair bit of arrogance regarding that estimation on lost wages .
Ā£11m !?!? Come on mate .
It just sticks in the throat a little that , as far as Iām aware and i might be wrong that he isnāt even suing the bell end who was being racist ā¦probably because he doesnāt have any money ā¦.and thats the crux. Heās a chancer.
Lost earnings!ā¦..blah blah ā¦as mentioned , how many young footballers fall by the wayside after being promised the Earth or told they were the next big thing ?
Chris Ramsey of all people is an awful target .
Heās got no chance and will just make more enemies long term which he doesnāt need to do . |  | | |
| QPR being sued on 20:52 - Feb 12 with 1641 views | Gus_iom |
| QPR being sued on 18:43 - Feb 12 by MrSheen |
I've been favourably compared to Warren Buffett at work. I'm taller than him, and younger. |
You misheard. It was little miss Muffet. | |
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| QPR being sued on 21:20 - Feb 12 with 1566 views | stevec |
| QPR being sued on 15:28 - Feb 12 by colinallcars |
āBoth have denied any wrongdoingā Since the Epstein file release we hear that on the news incessantly. |
If we sent him to Crawley, surely he could claim that he was ātraffickedā?
Think heās missed a trick if he left that off the charge sheet. |  | | |
| QPR being sued on 00:19 - Feb 13 with 1358 views | numptydumpty |
Crikey Ā£11 million wanted because a lower league managers words have upset you so much that you didnt turn into Ronaldo, which was inevitable if you had not had those hurty words said to you.
And if the wanted figure is massively inflated also, because of the added element of racism, being told its the realities of life in the lower leagues - get used to it - by a black man thats been there, done it, to be honest it is fair enough advice for me to a young man.
Speaking to my dad about work colleagues in my first paid job about being not so nice and ny dad saying to me " get used to it, some people just arent exactly kind" was good advice, tbh.
Not agreeing with the treatment by the Crawley manager either, but how on earth, this could also be attributed to the loaning club also ie ourselves is baffling.
If he wins his case, this would set a precedent, not only in football, but in any work related bullying case. Seems crazy to even try !!!! [Post edited 13 Feb 0:28]
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| QPR being sued on 01:08 - Feb 13 with 1281 views | KensalT |
| QPR being sued on 00:19 - Feb 13 by numptydumpty |
Crikey Ā£11 million wanted because a lower league managers words have upset you so much that you didnt turn into Ronaldo, which was inevitable if you had not had those hurty words said to you.
And if the wanted figure is massively inflated also, because of the added element of racism, being told its the realities of life in the lower leagues - get used to it - by a black man thats been there, done it, to be honest it is fair enough advice for me to a young man.
Speaking to my dad about work colleagues in my first paid job about being not so nice and ny dad saying to me " get used to it, some people just arent exactly kind" was good advice, tbh.
Not agreeing with the treatment by the Crawley manager either, but how on earth, this could also be attributed to the loaning club also ie ourselves is baffling.
If he wins his case, this would set a precedent, not only in football, but in any work related bullying case. Seems crazy to even try !!!! [Post edited 13 Feb 0:28]
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I'm just guessing but the claim against QPR is probably that the club owed him a duty of care to ensure he wasn't mistreated when he was sent out on loan and that QPR were negligent in failing to do that.
QPR will probably need to explain why Crawley was chosen as a suitable environment for the player to continue their development and what if any support was given to the player during their time out on loan.
As Clive suggested earlier a lot will hinge on the conversation ABM had with Ramsey, what exactly was said, and whether ABM can corroborate any of his claims.
On the point of supporting loan players I seem to remember one of the early episodes of The Price of Football had an interview with someone at Leicester City who was employed full-time to look after their loan players.
I did happen to find that Leicester were recently advertising for this role:
https://www.lcfc.com/pages/en/
The ad does say:
"The successful candidate will also be required to mentor and support LCFC players who are out on loan and develop effective relationships across the professional and non-league game."
I don't know how common this sort of job is in the game but it is something clubs loaning players out might have to think about in future. both to support the player and to cover their own back in case anything goes wrong. | | | |
| QPR being sued on 04:26 - Feb 13 with 1146 views | SydneyRs |
| QPR being sued on 17:14 - Feb 12 by Juzzie |
I've been on jury service once many years ago and 5 days of going through the case, witnesses (who really weren't able to offer anything of use), defence & prosecution going through their sides of the situation and it really all boiled down to the defendant's word against the accused's word, how can you prove who is right and who is wrong?
You can't so we had to give a verdict of not guilty. Not because the accused didn't do it but because it could not be proved they did and to this day, either side's story is equally plausible. It wasn't clear, even without proof, who was correct.
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This. Its he said, she said. Innocent until proven guilty.
Surely also any liability would be skewed towards the club where it allegedly happened? [Post edited 13 Feb 4:28]
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| QPR being sued on 07:15 - Feb 13 with 1025 views | davman |
He'll win 'cos the Cursed Club always loses.
Not great behaviour from Crawley and I feel sorry for the lad, but Ā£11m? Madness. |  |
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| QPR being sued on 07:47 - Feb 13 with 953 views | GroveR |
| QPR being sued on 01:08 - Feb 13 by KensalT |
I'm just guessing but the claim against QPR is probably that the club owed him a duty of care to ensure he wasn't mistreated when he was sent out on loan and that QPR were negligent in failing to do that.
QPR will probably need to explain why Crawley was chosen as a suitable environment for the player to continue their development and what if any support was given to the player during their time out on loan.
As Clive suggested earlier a lot will hinge on the conversation ABM had with Ramsey, what exactly was said, and whether ABM can corroborate any of his claims.
On the point of supporting loan players I seem to remember one of the early episodes of The Price of Football had an interview with someone at Leicester City who was employed full-time to look after their loan players.
I did happen to find that Leicester were recently advertising for this role:
https://www.lcfc.com/pages/en/
The ad does say:
"The successful candidate will also be required to mentor and support LCFC players who are out on loan and develop effective relationships across the professional and non-league game."
I don't know how common this sort of job is in the game but it is something clubs loaning players out might have to think about in future. both to support the player and to cover their own back in case anything goes wrong. |
Andy Impey was liason for loan players at the time. |  | | |
| QPR being sued on 07:56 - Feb 13 with 927 views | stevec |
| QPR being sued on 16:25 - Feb 12 by E17hoop |
The club will have insurance to pay any claim, but a condition will have been that we defend; I'd guess a before-action offer might have been made accepting no liability beforehand, which has been rejected. |
Are you sure insurance would pay? I have no idea but Iād imagine if the players claim against Ramsey was upheld, insurance would see it as negligence on the clubs part and refuse to pay out.
I hope youāre right otherwise I can see us selling off the likes of Madsen to pay the claim.
This has got the making of a real disaster, wish we could just wipe the years 2015-2024 off the map as far is this club is concerned. | | | |
| QPR being sued on 08:06 - Feb 13 with 901 views | captainmycaptian |
Be very surprised if this is successful would set a legal precedent that would open a flood gate for ridiculous claims. But the luck of this club you cant be sure. Another person using race baiting industry to scam money | | | |
| QPR being sued on 08:21 - Feb 13 with 868 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| QPR being sued on 15:25 - Feb 12 by Northernr |
It'll hinge on this conversation with Ramsey.
If ABM has gone to his 'line manager' (Ramsey) and explicitly told him what Yems was saying, doing etc and Ramsey has said "that's life kid, get yourself back there" then we'll have a problem.
If he's vaguely said that Yems is a bit of a cnt and he hates him but not mentioned the racism specifically and Ramsey has said "that's football kid, get used to it" then there's less of a case.
According to that piece ABM says it's the former and Ramsey says it's the latter. Hopefully Ramsey's record in this regard will stand us in good stead. |
"It'll hinge on this conversation with Ramsey."
Definitely going to be important.
There might also be a question of whther we knew anything, ot learned anything about Yems's likelihood to behave in such a way and exposed our employee to this risk through any action or inaction.
From the point of view of the player, I feel sorry that he might have experienced any racial abuse.
From our point of view, I feel sorry that we should be embroiled in such a sad event after all the great work done through the years to encourage and promote inclusivity.
Either way, I hope justice is done. |  |
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| QPR being sued on 08:27 - Feb 13 with 844 views | Watford_Ranger |
| QPR being sued on 07:15 - Feb 13 by davman |
He'll win 'cos the Cursed Club always loses.
Not great behaviour from Crawley and I feel sorry for the lad, but Ā£11m? Madness. |
If I was being cynical Iād suggest itās such a high number with a view to agreeing what will still be a significant number to make the thing go away. | | | |
| QPR being sued on 08:30 - Feb 13 with 833 views | Gus_iom |
| QPR being sued on 08:21 - Feb 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
"It'll hinge on this conversation with Ramsey."
Definitely going to be important.
There might also be a question of whther we knew anything, ot learned anything about Yems's likelihood to behave in such a way and exposed our employee to this risk through any action or inaction.
From the point of view of the player, I feel sorry that he might have experienced any racial abuse.
From our point of view, I feel sorry that we should be embroiled in such a sad event after all the great work done through the years to encourage and promote inclusivity.
Either way, I hope justice is done. |
I would argue justice was done when John Yems was given a long suspension by the fa. I doubt he'll ever work in football again, and rightly so.
7 players complained about Yems, 1 is taking action.
All personal abuse is unpleasant, I imagine you need to be thick-skinned to succeed in football. [Post edited 13 Feb 8:31]
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| QPR being sued on 08:33 - Feb 13 with 825 views | Blue_Castello |
| QPR being sued on 07:56 - Feb 13 by stevec |
Are you sure insurance would pay? I have no idea but Iād imagine if the players claim against Ramsey was upheld, insurance would see it as negligence on the clubs part and refuse to pay out.
I hope youāre right otherwise I can see us selling off the likes of Madsen to pay the claim.
This has got the making of a real disaster, wish we could just wipe the years 2015-2024 off the map as far is this club is concerned. |
Jeez having to sell players to settle the claim that sounds scary, fortunately as a few people have said there's a lot of he said this, he said that where you will literally be unable to substantiate the evidence unless they have witnesses, which is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Whatever happens it will drag on for a long time, the amount of money is ludicrous but they have intentionally set it high in the hope of getting something, probably hoping for a low six figure sum.
Presumably this involves a no win no fee company as I can't see ABM being able to fund the costs, surely the club needs to get Nick de Marco on the case, that could possibly prevent it dragging on for a long time. | | | |
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