| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:55 - Nov 29 with 1116 views | onehunglow |
We are the fools who voted them in
They were always going to be such |  |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:59 - Nov 29 with 1115 views | Boundy |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:55 - Nov 29 by onehunglow |
We are the fools who voted them in
They were always going to be such |
I hope thats the "royal " we , I posted that this lot would be a disaster as did many others and sadly proven to be correct. | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 10:16 - Nov 29 with 1095 views | onehunglow |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:59 - Nov 29 by Boundy |
I hope thats the "royal " we , I posted that this lot would be a disaster as did many others and sadly proven to be correct. |
Of course it is
I was going to go to The Hawthornes today as the Saffas Wales game is horrific a prospect and my Gauteng chins will be all over me
I could pop down and have lunch and a small shandy with my legions of followers before joining the queue at J8
There again … | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 15:34 - Nov 29 with 1016 views | Dr_Winston |
Inventing financial "black holes" so they can whack taxes up seems to be a recurring theme of this Government.
People fell for it the first time so I guess you can't really be surprised if they try it again, especially when there were no consequences for their lie the first time around. |  |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:18 - Nov 30 with 896 views | Boundy |
I notice the support for this regime is quietening each day , its a massive pity that labour were put back into a position to repeat the same lies as previous labour governments . | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:40 - Nov 30 with 870 views | onehunglow |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:18 - Nov 30 by Boundy |
I notice the support for this regime is quietening each day , its a massive pity that labour were put back into a position to repeat the same lies as previous labour governments . |
Rachel just denied that
Yeah baby | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 11:13 - Nov 30 with 836 views | AnotherJohn |
How much truth is there in this claim that a family on benefits can actually be better off than one in work? Well, the Centre for Social Justice has done some research and says that a 3 child family with nobody in work claiming all available benefits is about £18K p.a. better off than one with parents on the minimum wage (1 full time + 1 part-time). Haven't checked the calculation myself.
https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/library/benefits-budget
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2140318/jobless-families-18k-better-off
(Extract from CSJ Report)
New CSJ analysis shows how the removal of the limit interacts with the wider expansion of health and disability benefits to create benefit incomes that now far outstrip typical earnings.
For example, an out-of-work family with three children receiving the average Universal Credit housing element, health benefits and PIP is projected to take home around £46,000 a year by 2026/27. For the smaller number of families with five children, that figure rises to £55,000. These households are insulated from the overall benefit cap because two in five families previously subject to the limit are in receipt of health-related payments (translating to an estimated 244,000 households). The result is a system that delivers higher living-standard guarantees outside work than inside it for large numbers of families.
The distortion is stark when set against the returns from post-tax wages. A working family with one adult in full-time and another in part-time work on the national living wage would take home roughly £28,000 after tax – £18,000 less than the benefit income now available to an equivalent three-child family outside work on combined benefits.
Matching that level of support through earnings alone would require a pre-tax salary of around £71,000. The same pattern holds for single parents: a parent with three children on combined benefits will receive roughly £43,000 per year, over £22,000 more than the take-home pay from a full-time job on £20,600. These gaps demonstrate how the incentives to work, or progress within work, have been further eroded. [Post edited 30 Nov 11:21]
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 14:08 - Nov 30 with 780 views | Gwyn737 |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 11:13 - Nov 30 by AnotherJohn |
How much truth is there in this claim that a family on benefits can actually be better off than one in work? Well, the Centre for Social Justice has done some research and says that a 3 child family with nobody in work claiming all available benefits is about £18K p.a. better off than one with parents on the minimum wage (1 full time + 1 part-time). Haven't checked the calculation myself.
https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/library/benefits-budget
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2140318/jobless-families-18k-better-off
(Extract from CSJ Report)
New CSJ analysis shows how the removal of the limit interacts with the wider expansion of health and disability benefits to create benefit incomes that now far outstrip typical earnings.
For example, an out-of-work family with three children receiving the average Universal Credit housing element, health benefits and PIP is projected to take home around £46,000 a year by 2026/27. For the smaller number of families with five children, that figure rises to £55,000. These households are insulated from the overall benefit cap because two in five families previously subject to the limit are in receipt of health-related payments (translating to an estimated 244,000 households). The result is a system that delivers higher living-standard guarantees outside work than inside it for large numbers of families.
The distortion is stark when set against the returns from post-tax wages. A working family with one adult in full-time and another in part-time work on the national living wage would take home roughly £28,000 after tax – £18,000 less than the benefit income now available to an equivalent three-child family outside work on combined benefits.
Matching that level of support through earnings alone would require a pre-tax salary of around £71,000. The same pattern holds for single parents: a parent with three children on combined benefits will receive roughly £43,000 per year, over £22,000 more than the take-home pay from a full-time job on £20,600. These gaps demonstrate how the incentives to work, or progress within work, have been further eroded. [Post edited 30 Nov 11:21]
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This is precisely the arguments that need to be made.
Both sides are obsessed with the extremes.
Stories about singles parents with 5 children are exceptions yet make people very angry.
For me, the examples AJ gives get me far more cross, because they’re the most common examples and cost the most money. | | | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:21 - Nov 30 with 692 views | EagleEye |
She was called out on misleading the house about the size of the black hole live on tv several times today. Her response was that she was proud to be bringing so many kids out of poverty. She never answered the question. She is a liar, she knew exactly what she was doing & so does everyone else now. |  | | |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 21:56 - Nov 30 with 643 views | max936 |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:21 - Nov 30 by EagleEye |
She was called out on misleading the house about the size of the black hole live on tv several times today. Her response was that she was proud to be bringing so many kids out of poverty. She never answered the question. She is a liar, she knew exactly what she was doing & so does everyone else now. |
Try telling that Rockinj character on Phils site. |  |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 08:09 - Dec 2 with 379 views | Dr_Winston |
If it is the latter then there's no way that the story will go away. Badenoch will keep hammering at it and finding a receptive audience. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 08:53 - Dec 2 with 354 views | Boundy |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 08:09 - Dec 2 by Dr_Winston |
If it is the latter then there's no way that the story will go away. Badenoch will keep hammering at it and finding a receptive audience. |
and I for one are all ears . From a hidden surplus to a black hole all in slight of a hand / | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:18 - Dec 2 with 327 views | Whiterockin |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 08:53 - Dec 2 by Boundy |
and I for one are all ears . From a hidden surplus to a black hole all in slight of a hand / |
As I see it. She was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the British taxpayer, to push through higher taxation than was required to implement policies to try and appease rebel MPs in her own party and keep Starmer and herself in a job. Those with more intelligence and knowledge of finances than Reeves and Starmer, could see through the BS and called them out. Reeves is now in a hole and needs to go and Starmer is backing her to try and save his own skin, but he is only prolonging the inevitable.
Please someone tell me I'm wrong and this is not happening in my country. [Post edited 2 Dec 9:20]
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:11 - Dec 4 with 131 views | Dr_Winston |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 09:18 - Dec 2 by Whiterockin |
As I see it. She was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the British taxpayer, to push through higher taxation than was required to implement policies to try and appease rebel MPs in her own party and keep Starmer and herself in a job. Those with more intelligence and knowledge of finances than Reeves and Starmer, could see through the BS and called them out. Reeves is now in a hole and needs to go and Starmer is backing her to try and save his own skin, but he is only prolonging the inevitable.
Please someone tell me I'm wrong and this is not happening in my country. [Post edited 2 Dec 9:20]
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They're also trying their best to subvert democracy by postponing elections. Elections that they're likely to lose. | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:49 - Dec 4 with 109 views | Boundy |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:11 - Dec 4 by Dr_Winston |
They're also trying their best to subvert democracy by postponing elections. Elections that they're likely to lose. |
This + the no jury trials makes for worrying reading. This country if for nothing else has always been a beacon for democracy ,with the above now coming true plus the incarceration for many making comments on social media which normally would be ignored then I find it funny that for example the comments made about Bangladesh's "corrupt" justice system in the Tulip thread when in our own country the same x x comments could be applied. | |
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| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:58 - Dec 4 with 95 views | Dr_Winston |
| Black holes and OBR moles on 19:49 - Dec 4 by Boundy |
This + the no jury trials makes for worrying reading. This country if for nothing else has always been a beacon for democracy ,with the above now coming true plus the incarceration for many making comments on social media which normally would be ignored then I find it funny that for example the comments made about Bangladesh's "corrupt" justice system in the Tulip thread when in our own country the same x x comments could be applied. |
If people realised that the modern left would quite happily dispense with democracy altogether as long as their sort of people were in charge then they'd never get a sniff of power again.
We see it in the power structures of the EU. The entire thing was designed to restrict the amount of power your average Joe/Jean/Jan/Giuseppe in the street actually had. They could nominally vote for their direct representative thus maintaining the illusion of democracy, but actual power was always intended to lie in the hands of the Commissioners. Political appointees answerable to nobody.
To people like this your average person is scum. The "basket of deplorables". "Gammon". "Racist". "Thicky Brexit voters". The rise of nationalist and right wing movements across Europe, desperately smeared as "Nazi" or "Far Right" by the same people despite the majority of the views espoused actually being quite mainstream until relatively recently, would suggest that their time is nearly done. | |
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