| A striking parallel ? on 08:31 - Jan 19 with 3573 views | Scunnydale |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/18/sad-slow-death-hartlepool-united-
I'm going up tomorrow with a Pools supporting mate. Virtually every mention of Hartlepool in that article could easily be replaced with Rochdale (and Darlington with Bury in the future, if some of us are to be believed). It's sad to see, especially as there doesn't seem to have been outrageous financial mismanagement as has been the cause of some other clubs' demise (not a dig at Bury).
Rather, it seems that they've struggled to cope with the way football has moved on financially and have slipped through the trap door, with the lower incomes involved while still being stuck with relatively high outgoings.
Needing to find £200,000 or face going bust is shocking. A PL team could look down the backs of their sofas and find that. |  | |  |
| A striking parallel ? on 08:48 - Jan 19 with 3541 views | electricblue |
| A striking parallel ? on 08:31 - Jan 19 by Scunnydale |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/01/18/sad-slow-death-hartlepool-united-
I'm going up tomorrow with a Pools supporting mate. Virtually every mention of Hartlepool in that article could easily be replaced with Rochdale (and Darlington with Bury in the future, if some of us are to be believed). It's sad to see, especially as there doesn't seem to have been outrageous financial mismanagement as has been the cause of some other clubs' demise (not a dig at Bury).
Rather, it seems that they've struggled to cope with the way football has moved on financially and have slipped through the trap door, with the lower incomes involved while still being stuck with relatively high outgoings.
Needing to find £200,000 or face going bust is shocking. A PL team could look down the backs of their sofas and find that. |
But the attitude by the prem teams is why should we.....
The devide from the prem is increasing annually and yet nothing is done about it and never will......
Is the PFA helping out ! |  |
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| A striking parallel ? on 09:01 - Jan 19 with 3500 views | BigKindo |
According to BBC News North West yesterday evening if Sanchez signs for Manchester United allegedly he could be earning £ 400,000/500,000 PER WEEK! |  | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 13:20 - Jan 19 with 3207 views | krafty80 |
One aspect of the money trouble in football which especially concerns me is the rise of 'twenty's plenty' and related campaigns. There is a rising drumbeat of football groups and media backers keen to see some kind of cap placed on the cost of watching PL football, through cheaper away tickets and/or subsidised away travel. This of course is predicated on the desire (especially from TV companies) for PL grounds to be pretty much full, and the handwringing over people being 'priced out' of football is easy to sell as a soundbite.
In addition, as more and more PL clubs are awash with TV money and/or sovereign wealth fund owners, pushing down ticket prices is easy. For mid-ranking current PL clubs like Burnley, the TV money alone is enough to offer sweet deals.
Yet surging player wages in the PL are trickling down to push the cost base of EFL clubs higher, which in turn makes it harder for the likes of us to offer cheaper deals for fans coming through our gates. I know cheap season tickets offers at Blackburn, Wigan, Bradford etc have been discussed on here before, but if the perception takes hold that it is inherently cheaper to watch (say) Burnley, with better quality football, than it is to watch Dale, what happens then?
That perception alone is a risk to us, leaving aside the reality that you may not actually be able to easily get Burnley tix as a casual or floating fan. That's a real headache for anyone trying to market Dale and similar sized clubs. I would even argue that we can't really play up the 'community club/underdog' angle as easily nowadays, because League One is hugely commercialised (catering deals, stadium naming etc) compared to the genuine grassroots offered in say, the upper non-league tiers.
I'm not sure what the answer is but I hope that all the 72 EFL clubs are thinking about this dilemma and urging the PL to help the social cohesion of English football more. As lobbying jobs go, that's really tough.
If Hartlepool and maybe a few other lower league stalwarts really do go pop, does that still resonate with the wider British public? |  | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 17:18 - Jan 19 with 2889 views | DaleView |
| A striking parallel ? on 13:20 - Jan 19 by krafty80 |
One aspect of the money trouble in football which especially concerns me is the rise of 'twenty's plenty' and related campaigns. There is a rising drumbeat of football groups and media backers keen to see some kind of cap placed on the cost of watching PL football, through cheaper away tickets and/or subsidised away travel. This of course is predicated on the desire (especially from TV companies) for PL grounds to be pretty much full, and the handwringing over people being 'priced out' of football is easy to sell as a soundbite.
In addition, as more and more PL clubs are awash with TV money and/or sovereign wealth fund owners, pushing down ticket prices is easy. For mid-ranking current PL clubs like Burnley, the TV money alone is enough to offer sweet deals.
Yet surging player wages in the PL are trickling down to push the cost base of EFL clubs higher, which in turn makes it harder for the likes of us to offer cheaper deals for fans coming through our gates. I know cheap season tickets offers at Blackburn, Wigan, Bradford etc have been discussed on here before, but if the perception takes hold that it is inherently cheaper to watch (say) Burnley, with better quality football, than it is to watch Dale, what happens then?
That perception alone is a risk to us, leaving aside the reality that you may not actually be able to easily get Burnley tix as a casual or floating fan. That's a real headache for anyone trying to market Dale and similar sized clubs. I would even argue that we can't really play up the 'community club/underdog' angle as easily nowadays, because League One is hugely commercialised (catering deals, stadium naming etc) compared to the genuine grassroots offered in say, the upper non-league tiers.
I'm not sure what the answer is but I hope that all the 72 EFL clubs are thinking about this dilemma and urging the PL to help the social cohesion of English football more. As lobbying jobs go, that's really tough.
If Hartlepool and maybe a few other lower league stalwarts really do go pop, does that still resonate with the wider British public? |
In the fullnes of time, if the money that is swishing around in the pockets of the Premier League and its member clubs, is not be reined in significantly, British football is likely to die a death because there will not be enough of the present 72 clubs left to provide the grass roots players that presently make up (a small) proportion of the Premier League players. Until the FA, the EFL and FIFA start to bite the bullet, matters will get worse over the next decade or so. There is no easy solution. Those that are the recipients of the riches are not going to be inclined to forego their slice of the cake. Yet those that supply the life blood of British football can do little more than look on and wish for change. Even now, when bigger clubs come poaching decent players from the minnows, the megga-bucks do not flow in the opposite direction. We learn of agents' fees being counted in the millions and players wages being counted in muliples of millions. This is just not sustainable. Perhaps if there was to be a levy on transfer fees and agent fees that was distributed to the lower league clubs, it might either peg the level of those fees and wages or improve the plight of the other 72 clubs. But in reality, is that likely to happen? At the end of it all, it is the customer that foots the bill either by paying the admission charge at the stadium or contributing to the TV and media companies that seem so willing to plough more and more funds into the pockets of the wealthy. Will the bubble ever burst and how will it all end? Sadly, I think it will be the demise of football as a spectator sport in the UK. |  | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 19:53 - Jan 19 with 2748 views | kiwidale |
| A striking parallel ? on 17:18 - Jan 19 by DaleView |
In the fullnes of time, if the money that is swishing around in the pockets of the Premier League and its member clubs, is not be reined in significantly, British football is likely to die a death because there will not be enough of the present 72 clubs left to provide the grass roots players that presently make up (a small) proportion of the Premier League players. Until the FA, the EFL and FIFA start to bite the bullet, matters will get worse over the next decade or so. There is no easy solution. Those that are the recipients of the riches are not going to be inclined to forego their slice of the cake. Yet those that supply the life blood of British football can do little more than look on and wish for change. Even now, when bigger clubs come poaching decent players from the minnows, the megga-bucks do not flow in the opposite direction. We learn of agents' fees being counted in the millions and players wages being counted in muliples of millions. This is just not sustainable. Perhaps if there was to be a levy on transfer fees and agent fees that was distributed to the lower league clubs, it might either peg the level of those fees and wages or improve the plight of the other 72 clubs. But in reality, is that likely to happen? At the end of it all, it is the customer that foots the bill either by paying the admission charge at the stadium or contributing to the TV and media companies that seem so willing to plough more and more funds into the pockets of the wealthy. Will the bubble ever burst and how will it all end? Sadly, I think it will be the demise of football as a spectator sport in the UK. |
I share your sentiments unfortunately the is no sentiment in football. For every Harlepool and Hereford that goes bust there is a Forest Green to take their place an example being what happened to Wimbledon replaced by Plastic Dons how did that get sanctioned? answer nobody gave a fook the FL and PL just looked on. [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 19:58]
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| A striking parallel ? on 21:26 - Jan 19 with 2679 views | chalkyncfc |
What I found most surprising was the fact that Hartlepool have only had three promotions in their 110 year history | | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 21:51 - Jan 19 with 2646 views | 442Dale |
| A striking parallel ? on 21:26 - Jan 19 by chalkyncfc |
What I found most surprising was the fact that Hartlepool have only had three promotions in their 110 year history |
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| A striking parallel ? on 21:56 - Jan 19 with 2634 views | kiwidale |
| A striking parallel ? on 21:26 - Jan 19 by chalkyncfc |
What I found most surprising was the fact that Hartlepool have only had three promotions in their 110 year history |
Chalky your obviously not aware of our history and promotions it would even have included a championship if you lot were honest.
#worsethanbury [Post edited 19 Jan 2018 21:58]
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| A striking parallel ? on 12:11 - Jan 20 with 2446 views | EllDale |
Didn't I read somewhere that Rochdale versus Hartlepool is one of the most played fixtures since 1921?
There but for the grace of God....... | | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 12:16 - Jan 20 with 2438 views | TVOS1907 |
| A striking parallel ? on 21:26 - Jan 19 by chalkyncfc |
What I found most surprising was the fact that Hartlepool have only had three promotions in their 110 year history |
How many relegations? |  |
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| A striking parallel ? on 12:17 - Jan 20 with 2436 views | chalkyncfc |
| A striking parallel ? on 21:56 - Jan 19 by kiwidale |
Chalky your obviously not aware of our history and promotions it would even have included a championship if you lot were honest.
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I've had to google Rochdales promotion stats and as far as I can see you also have had three automatic promotions,I honestly find this astounding over such a long time anf there was no disrespect meant when I put it
Championship? Do you mean the season that shouldn't be mentioned, If memory serves me right (and I could be wrong) didn't Rochdale come third that season so maybe you was entitled to a silver medal rather than the gold | | | |
| A striking parallel ? on 12:18 - Jan 20 with 2433 views | TVOS1907 |
| A striking parallel ? on 12:11 - Jan 20 by EllDale |
Didn't I read somewhere that Rochdale versus Hartlepool is one of the most played fixtures since 1921?
There but for the grace of God....... |
Before Hartlepool's relegation, it was the most played fixture between current members of the Football League.
Everton v Aston Villa is the most played English league game ever. | |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| A striking parallel ? on 17:46 - Jan 20 with 2346 views | D_Alien |
Today's attendance at Hartlepool v Wrexham:
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| A striking parallel ? on 19:45 - Jan 20 with 2242 views | The_Knightowl |
| A striking parallel ? on 12:17 - Jan 20 by chalkyncfc |
I've had to google Rochdales promotion stats and as far as I can see you also have had three automatic promotions,I honestly find this astounding over such a long time anf there was no disrespect meant when I put it
Championship? Do you mean the season that shouldn't be mentioned, If memory serves me right (and I could be wrong) didn't Rochdale come third that season so maybe you was entitled to a silver medal rather than the gold |
Tbh ...in fairness (hard to be honest on the losing end) if that Dale slump had not happened ...DALE would have been CHAMPIONS that year ..accusations of cheating etc would not have been an issue..........can I join the club...Fook off Chalky...........what a wonderful term of endearment...they love you really. [Post edited 20 Jan 2018 19:47]
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| A striking parallel ? on 19:51 - Jan 20 with 2212 views | kiwidale |
| A striking parallel ? on 12:17 - Jan 20 by chalkyncfc |
I've had to google Rochdales promotion stats and as far as I can see you also have had three automatic promotions,I honestly find this astounding over such a long time anf there was no disrespect meant when I put it
Championship? Do you mean the season that shouldn't be mentioned, If memory serves me right (and I could be wrong) didn't Rochdale come third that season so maybe you was entitled to a silver medal rather than the gold |
you ferkin know what I mean chalky............. Im not bitter. [Post edited 20 Jan 2018 19:54]
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