| Dave Challinor 18:50 - Jun 6 with 17048 views | Clivert |
I hope that we are going all out in trying to entice him?? He is available and a standout candidate. Would be funny if we upgraded with him and Stockport downgraded with Jim though. |  | | |  |
| Dave Challinor on 12:32 - Jun 7 with 2967 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 11:59 - Jun 7 by 442Dale |
He’s never coached at academy level, not to say he won’t of course. But his methods and way of working is all around senior football - having the ability to create a culture around his own philosophy. Working in an academy is following the culture created further up. |
Bloody hell it sounds like you've swallowed the manual.😀. Coaching/ managing in an academy at a Premiership Club wouldn't be something he's over qualified for, BBM did it having managed in the EFL. |  | | |
| Dave Challinor on 12:34 - Jun 7 with 2949 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 12:15 - Jun 7 by judd |
The emotions of pride and happiness he expressed in the Stockport video says otherwise to me. |
...a club he'd only been associated with for one season. | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 12:34 - Jun 7 with 2956 views | James1980 |
I just hope the board didn't let him go too easily and at least tried to encourage him to stay.
But moving on if we followed Stockport's example which of manager's from the promoted NLN and NLS teams would best fit Rochdale? |  |
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| Dave Challinor on 12:41 - Jun 7 with 2876 views | 442Dale |
| Dave Challinor on 12:32 - Jun 7 by TalkingSutty |
Bloody hell it sounds like you've swallowed the manual.😀. Coaching/ managing in an academy at a Premiership Club wouldn't be something he's over qualified for, BBM did it having managed in the EFL. |
Just think he’s a totally different manager to BBM who wasn’t good enough at focusing on getting results when at Dale. Despite what the likes of the Gab Sutton may say on Twitter, we went down that season because the manager wasn’t good enough to get enough out of a squad that was. |  |
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| Dave Challinor on 12:48 - Jun 7 with 2844 views | 442Dale |
| Dave Challinor on 12:34 - Jun 7 by James1980 |
I just hope the board didn't let him go too easily and at least tried to encourage him to stay.
But moving on if we followed Stockport's example which of manager's from the promoted NLN and NLS teams would best fit Rochdale? |
Mahon has done well at Fylde to get them straight back up - he’d been at Curzon Ashton before that. Paul Wotton the ex Plymouth defender is at Kidderminster after previously managing at Torquay. Edit: he’s only just been appointed there, Adam Murray was their manager when promoted and he’s gone to Barrow.
South Shields ran Fylde very close before losing in the playoffs. Their manager Ian Watson seems quite highly rated, he has previously worked in the EFL with Mike Williamson after being part of his coaching team at Gateshead. [Post edited 7 Jun 12:51]
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| Dave Challinor on 12:52 - Jun 7 with 2827 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 12:41 - Jun 7 by 442Dale |
Just think he’s a totally different manager to BBM who wasn’t good enough at focusing on getting results when at Dale. Despite what the likes of the Gab Sutton may say on Twitter, we went down that season because the manager wasn’t good enough to get enough out of a squad that was. |
Very true, it was criminal what happened that season both on and off the pitch. I'm not being disrespecful to Jim when i suggest he would make a great coach at a higher level. He's a very likeable fella, he's up to speed with modern day coaching, seems organised and communicates well. | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 12:55 - Jun 7 with 2805 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 12:48 - Jun 7 by 442Dale |
Mahon has done well at Fylde to get them straight back up - he’d been at Curzon Ashton before that. Paul Wotton the ex Plymouth defender is at Kidderminster after previously managing at Torquay. Edit: he’s only just been appointed there, Adam Murray was their manager when promoted and he’s gone to Barrow.
South Shields ran Fylde very close before losing in the playoffs. Their manager Ian Watson seems quite highly rated, he has previously worked in the EFL with Mike Williamson after being part of his coaching team at Gateshead. [Post edited 7 Jun 12:51]
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Mahon is a decent shout, he has a good forward playing for him at Fylde also. | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 13:00 - Jun 7 with 2778 views | D_Alien |
| Dave Challinor on 12:34 - Jun 7 by James1980 |
I just hope the board didn't let him go too easily and at least tried to encourage him to stay.
But moving on if we followed Stockport's example which of manager's from the promoted NLN and NLS teams would best fit Rochdale? |
They've got more sense, garnered from their own business empire, to try to induce someone to stay who's already made the psychological switch to talking to another club |  |
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| Dave Challinor on 13:49 - Jun 7 with 2643 views | Delboy |
Challinor would walk into any job at this level or below. He has a proven track record at every level upto and arguably including league 1.
In any other situation you would look upon him as a rock solid option for Dale. A lot will depend on if he is interested and whether the Board feels he fits their future vision for the Club. As in all cases it then depends how far they are prepared to go salary wise to get him.
Having said that, it was implied that as a contingency for Jim's leaving they had already drawn up a potential list of candidates. I doubt Challinor would have been on that list at that time but who knows. | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 14:21 - Jun 7 with 2532 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 13:49 - Jun 7 by Delboy |
Challinor would walk into any job at this level or below. He has a proven track record at every level upto and arguably including league 1.
In any other situation you would look upon him as a rock solid option for Dale. A lot will depend on if he is interested and whether the Board feels he fits their future vision for the Club. As in all cases it then depends how far they are prepared to go salary wise to get him.
Having said that, it was implied that as a contingency for Jim's leaving they had already drawn up a potential list of candidates. I doubt Challinor would have been on that list at that time but who knows. |
Whoever is appointed will get the backing from the fans but there will be constructive criticism along the way if it's deemed to be warranted, exactly how it should be. To ignore or try to excuse the undefendable should never be entertained and needs calling out. McNulty received a lot of praise alongside criticism for obvious managerial errors, he deserved both in equal measures at times and there are very few fans who can say hand on heart that they never criticised or had their doubts about Jim, even if they now pretend they didn't. It's just that some choose to do it away from public forums and in private conversations but it's still the same.
There wasn't one fan who knew that Jim would get us promoted and nobody will know whether the new manager will be a success or not, irrespective of who it is. Different fans prefering different candidates for different reasons. From a experienced manager at this level to one several rungs below this level with no experience at all..and some in between. It just shows how we all see things completely differently when it comes to football and the club. It's the Ogdens money and they are putting milions of pounds into it. If this was one of their businesses would they recruite somebody with no experience of managing at the required level in the hope it works out, or would they appoint somebody with experience who has had a bit of success? It's easy for us to speculate because it isn't our money. [Post edited 7 Jun 15:04]
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| Dave Challinor on 15:36 - Jun 7 with 2339 views | 49thseason |
The Board will build a list of attributes including preferred style of play, experience , win%, experience of bringing players through from the Academy, etc etc. This will have been passed to MRKT who will draw up a list of possibles, the Board will draw up a short list for interview from the MRKT list.
Hopefully they will have a developed interview technique designed to prise out critical information and a sense of the candidates involvement in any success their previous / current clubs have enjoyed. (often the use of "I did" is more telling than "we did" ...Telling stories in the first person implies ownership, and points to personal experience and involvement).
Don't forget, Cameron's Brother, Edward, works in recruitment albeit in the oil industry , I imagine he has offered some ideas about the process. |  | | |
| Dave Challinor on 15:55 - Jun 7 with 2265 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 15:36 - Jun 7 by 49thseason |
The Board will build a list of attributes including preferred style of play, experience , win%, experience of bringing players through from the Academy, etc etc. This will have been passed to MRKT who will draw up a list of possibles, the Board will draw up a short list for interview from the MRKT list.
Hopefully they will have a developed interview technique designed to prise out critical information and a sense of the candidates involvement in any success their previous / current clubs have enjoyed. (often the use of "I did" is more telling than "we did" ...Telling stories in the first person implies ownership, and points to personal experience and involvement).
Don't forget, Cameron's Brother, Edward, works in recruitment albeit in the oil industry , I imagine he has offered some ideas about the process. |
Genuine questions. Who in the Club determines what style of football we play and what experience do they have to in regards to that? What if there is no suitable candidate who wants to be dictated to as to the style of play that person wants? Does playing winning football trump the style of football we play? What style of football do most clubs in EFL2 play? Why do we have to be wed to one style of play and manager? Why can't we look for a manager who is flexible in different games with no preferred system? Professional footballers should be able to play different systems. Long throws into box and emphasis on set plays is now the vogue. Not sure why the manager needs to play a certain style/ system, what worked in the Natiinal League might not work next season. [Post edited 7 Jun 16:18]
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| Dave Challinor on 16:16 - Jun 7 with 2158 views | isitme |
| Dave Challinor on 15:55 - Jun 7 by TalkingSutty |
Genuine questions. Who in the Club determines what style of football we play and what experience do they have to in regards to that? What if there is no suitable candidate who wants to be dictated to as to the style of play that person wants? Does playing winning football trump the style of football we play? What style of football do most clubs in EFL2 play? Why do we have to be wed to one style of play and manager? Why can't we look for a manager who is flexible in different games with no preferred system? Professional footballers should be able to play different systems. Long throws into box and emphasis on set plays is now the vogue. Not sure why the manager needs to play a certain style/ system, what worked in the Natiinal League might not work next season. [Post edited 7 Jun 16:18]
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The manager picks the style of football. In any organisation regime change invenitably results in a period of staff turnover which is what will happen. |  | | |
| Dave Challinor on 16:21 - Jun 7 with 2125 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 16:16 - Jun 7 by isitme |
The manager picks the style of football. In any organisation regime change invenitably results in a period of staff turnover which is what will happen. |
That's what i thought. I'm not sure why some seem to think that any new manager has to play a certain way. There's nobody in the club with any pedigree in football who can speak with authority on that subject, especially in a interview. | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 17:11 - Jun 7 with 1990 views | Beechball |
| Dave Challinor on 16:21 - Jun 7 by TalkingSutty |
That's what i thought. I'm not sure why some seem to think that any new manager has to play a certain way. There's nobody in the club with any pedigree in football who can speak with authority on that subject, especially in a interview. |
Quite right. McNulty can't dictate the style of play from "beyond the grave" ; to suggest that RAFC is wedded to one stle is ludicrous. Many will be looking forward to a change (and that probably includes some of the players ). | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 17:28 - Jun 7 with 1936 views | 49thseason |
Why shouldn't the board have a prefered style of play? Especially when the contracted players have been so remarkably successful playing a distinct way? If we were failing miserably it would be suitable to change..but right now? Why would we throw the baby out with the bathwater and change the whole ethos? You could probably argue about having a plan B but you also need a flexible squad capable of implementing that change. Will City change tack now Pep has gone, I doubt it, do Liverpool regret giving Slot a free hand, probably?
L2 will be akin to playing the top 3 or 4 teams in the NL nearly every week, but then we did OK against those teams last season. Yes, we need 9 or 10 new players who are capable of playing regularly and are an upgrade on those who have left but they too will want to know what the system will be and where they fit into it......
Lower league football is not complicated... set a system, run it through the whole club, get really good at it...Think Toyota and Honda. Everyone knows their jobs everyone understands each others jobs, fewer mistakes, higher quality, seamless progression from academy to first team, easier recruitment.. trust the data. Use the data to fix problems....
Deming on Data
"Without data, you're just another person with an opinion."(Often cited as his most famous quote, emphasizing that decisions must be grounded in facts).
Purpose of Collection
"Data are not taken for museum purposes; they are taken as a basis for doing something... The step intermediate between the collection of data and the action is prediction." | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 17:32 - Jun 7 with 1917 views | D_Alien |
| Dave Challinor on 17:28 - Jun 7 by 49thseason |
Why shouldn't the board have a prefered style of play? Especially when the contracted players have been so remarkably successful playing a distinct way? If we were failing miserably it would be suitable to change..but right now? Why would we throw the baby out with the bathwater and change the whole ethos? You could probably argue about having a plan B but you also need a flexible squad capable of implementing that change. Will City change tack now Pep has gone, I doubt it, do Liverpool regret giving Slot a free hand, probably?
L2 will be akin to playing the top 3 or 4 teams in the NL nearly every week, but then we did OK against those teams last season. Yes, we need 9 or 10 new players who are capable of playing regularly and are an upgrade on those who have left but they too will want to know what the system will be and where they fit into it......
Lower league football is not complicated... set a system, run it through the whole club, get really good at it...Think Toyota and Honda. Everyone knows their jobs everyone understands each others jobs, fewer mistakes, higher quality, seamless progression from academy to first team, easier recruitment.. trust the data. Use the data to fix problems....
Deming on Data
"Without data, you're just another person with an opinion."(Often cited as his most famous quote, emphasizing that decisions must be grounded in facts).
Purpose of Collection
"Data are not taken for museum purposes; they are taken as a basis for doing something... The step intermediate between the collection of data and the action is prediction." |
Captured, by corporate-speak
The world is more complex than business models | |
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| Dave Challinor on 17:44 - Jun 7 with 1872 views | 442Dale |
Not at all certain, it’s impossible to be, but would think that the club are looking for a manager who plays possession based, attacking football, focusing on getting results whilst also developing players who can be then sold on at a profit.
Doubt it’s much more complicated than that and there will be variations within that depending on who the individual manager is.
It’s also beneficial to have a clear, defined style throughout the club to ensure the youth system can feed directly into the first team. Buying clubs will also want a clear idea of who they’re buying already has experience in the style they play too. | |
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| Dave Challinor on 18:01 - Jun 7 with 1803 views | wozzrafc |
If this is us i will be over the moon, this wpuld be great appointment in my opinion | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 18:09 - Jun 7 with 1754 views | Bainesy15 |
| Dave Challinor on 18:01 - Jun 7 by wozzrafc |
If this is us i will be over the moon, this wpuld be great appointment in my opinion |
I agree. Bottom 8 to top 3 in one season, 99 scored and 43 conceded... |  | | |
| Dave Challinor on 18:09 - Jun 7 with 1740 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 17:28 - Jun 7 by 49thseason |
Why shouldn't the board have a prefered style of play? Especially when the contracted players have been so remarkably successful playing a distinct way? If we were failing miserably it would be suitable to change..but right now? Why would we throw the baby out with the bathwater and change the whole ethos? You could probably argue about having a plan B but you also need a flexible squad capable of implementing that change. Will City change tack now Pep has gone, I doubt it, do Liverpool regret giving Slot a free hand, probably?
L2 will be akin to playing the top 3 or 4 teams in the NL nearly every week, but then we did OK against those teams last season. Yes, we need 9 or 10 new players who are capable of playing regularly and are an upgrade on those who have left but they too will want to know what the system will be and where they fit into it......
Lower league football is not complicated... set a system, run it through the whole club, get really good at it...Think Toyota and Honda. Everyone knows their jobs everyone understands each others jobs, fewer mistakes, higher quality, seamless progression from academy to first team, easier recruitment.. trust the data. Use the data to fix problems....
Deming on Data
"Without data, you're just another person with an opinion."(Often cited as his most famous quote, emphasizing that decisions must be grounded in facts).
Purpose of Collection
"Data are not taken for museum purposes; they are taken as a basis for doing something... The step intermediate between the collection of data and the action is prediction." |
Focusing on playing a distinct way is great until it gets sussed out, i think we saw that over the final third of last season. When all else failed in a lot of those games and desperation set in it was long ball route one football that pulled us out of the mire. We scored two late goals at Wembley yet again by doing that. I don't view those last minute goals as some sort of tactical masterplan, more desperation because your preferred style of play hasn't worked. Football doesn't stand still it changes and rock and roll football, pep football, route one football, high energy full press football all have their day. There's no one style of playing football and as i posted previously, what worked in the National League might not work in EFL2. I watched quite a bit of EFL2 football last season and it's on another level to the National League, you can forget about walking around with the ball and defenders being allowed to play keep ball. We do need a flexible squad and i'm sure the players we have contracted can play in different formations etc. If we do as you suggest and bring in a manager and players who are going to follow the Boardroom instructions and play a certain style, what happens if it's not working and we can't win games? What do you think those in the boardroom should do then? [Post edited 7 Jun 18:13]
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| Dave Challinor on 18:11 - Jun 7 with 1705 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 17:44 - Jun 7 by 442Dale |
Not at all certain, it’s impossible to be, but would think that the club are looking for a manager who plays possession based, attacking football, focusing on getting results whilst also developing players who can be then sold on at a profit.
Doubt it’s much more complicated than that and there will be variations within that depending on who the individual manager is.
It’s also beneficial to have a clear, defined style throughout the club to ensure the youth system can feed directly into the first team. Buying clubs will also want a clear idea of who they’re buying already has experience in the style they play too. |
That would be only buying clubs who play the same style then? | | | |
| Dave Challinor on 18:24 - Jun 7 with 1618 views | 442Dale |
| Dave Challinor on 18:11 - Jun 7 by TalkingSutty |
That would be only buying clubs who play the same style then? |
Similar, yeah. Works in reverse too. That’s why we were able to get Whatmuff in on loan. | |
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| Dave Challinor on 18:29 - Jun 7 with 1598 views | 442Dale |
Edit: soz Wozz. Missed your post. [Post edited 7 Jun 18:32]
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| Dave Challinor on 18:31 - Jun 7 with 1578 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dave Challinor on 18:01 - Jun 7 by wozzrafc |
If this is us i will be over the moon, this wpuld be great appointment in my opinion |
Looks like a distinct possibility to me. SS froze in their final game against Kidderminster which was a shame because they have had a great season. It's a gamble but hopefully one that would pay off. Whoever takes over i'm sure the fans will give him their full support. | | | |
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