| W12 podcast 13:43 - Nov 4 with 2569 views | Northernr |
Lost 4-1 at home so obviously I'm on...
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| W12 podcast on 13:46 - Nov 4 with 2552 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good stuff. Will listen this evening. |  |
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| W12 podcast on 15:25 - Nov 4 with 2309 views | gigiisourgod |
Thanks Clive, got me through a rather tedious afternoon at work.
Work most definitely to be done, let's hope it comes together tomorrow night.
On the Nardi conversation I feel very much you reap what you sow, very similar to the Paal situation last season as you touched upon. Doing what we have done for the last 10-15 years, plenty of chat, very little minerals or nous to execute it. [Post edited 4 Nov 15:28]
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| W12 podcast on 15:31 - Nov 4 with 2279 views | Northernr |
| W12 podcast on 15:25 - Nov 4 by gigiisourgod |
Thanks Clive, got me through a rather tedious afternoon at work.
Work most definitely to be done, let's hope it comes together tomorrow night.
On the Nardi conversation I feel very much you reap what you sow, very similar to the Paal situation last season as you touched upon. Doing what we have done for the last 10-15 years, plenty of chat, very little minerals or nous to execute it. [Post edited 4 Nov 15:28]
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The other thing that I meant to say on Nardi, and will perhaps use in the preview, is that the issues with his game are not new and we shouldn't be surprised by them.
Greg Spires when we signed him in his analysis said...
"There was evidence of him being unconvincing, where he stuck to his six-yard-box or waited too long to rush out to attackers....
"... he doesn’t seem as strong or commanding at claiming crosses and high-balls as Dieng or Begovic were, from what I can see."
So where's out data and analytics on that, if the fcking LFW analyst can see that? | | | |
| W12 podcast on 15:34 - Nov 4 with 2262 views | gigiisourgod |
Also doesn't say much for the work being done with the goalkeepers at Heston. | | | |
| W12 podcast on 15:41 - Nov 4 with 2205 views | kensalriser |
| W12 podcast on 15:34 - Nov 4 by gigiisourgod |
Also doesn't say much for the work being done with the goalkeepers at Heston. |
Perhaps he should be sent to Hendon where these problems can be arrested. |  |
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| W12 podcast on 15:42 - Nov 4 with 2194 views | TheChef |
| W12 podcast on 15:34 - Nov 4 by gigiisourgod |
Also doesn't say much for the work being done with the goalkeepers at Heston. |
Er yeah surely the aim of coaching is to improve on any weaknesses?
Overall though it just feels like after our burst of positive results, we've been found out by other teams who have adapted their game accordingly. Same also for Dunne as RB who has not been half as effective this season compared to last.
Of course as ever in this division there's a lot to be said just for adding work rate/pace and width. Hopefully the manager is realising this. |  |
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| W12 podcast on 15:48 - Nov 4 with 2172 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| W12 podcast on 15:31 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
The other thing that I meant to say on Nardi, and will perhaps use in the preview, is that the issues with his game are not new and we shouldn't be surprised by them.
Greg Spires when we signed him in his analysis said...
"There was evidence of him being unconvincing, where he stuck to his six-yard-box or waited too long to rush out to attackers....
"... he doesn’t seem as strong or commanding at claiming crosses and high-balls as Dieng or Begovic were, from what I can see."
So where's out data and analytics on that, if the fcking LFW analyst can see that? |
I did say a couple of weeks ago a lot of ball playing GKs and CBs are going to be caught out with teams becoming more direct. Looks like Nardi was bought to play in a different era.
He was a freebie and probably meant as a one season stop gap.
In fairness to the club they did try and move him on, so they did identify the issue. The failure was not actually replacing him. | |
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| W12 podcast on 15:53 - Nov 4 with 2149 views | Northernr |
| W12 podcast on 15:48 - Nov 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I did say a couple of weeks ago a lot of ball playing GKs and CBs are going to be caught out with teams becoming more direct. Looks like Nardi was bought to play in a different era.
He was a freebie and probably meant as a one season stop gap.
In fairness to the club they did try and move him on, so they did identify the issue. The failure was not actually replacing him. |
Same failure as with Paal a year ago.
If you say to somebody in the summer you're no longer wanted, you do then have to move them on. If you end up relying on them for 40+ games that's rarely going to end very well.
If you end up with your first choice as an out-of-form 31-year-old you don't even want in your squad, and your second choice is a 37-year-old who effectively retired 18 months ago, that position has been mismanaged.
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| W12 podcast on 16:54 - Nov 4 with 1964 views | VancouverHoop |
| W12 podcast on 15:53 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
Same failure as with Paal a year ago.
If you say to somebody in the summer you're no longer wanted, you do then have to move them on. If you end up relying on them for 40+ games that's rarely going to end very well.
If you end up with your first choice as an out-of-form 31-year-old you don't even want in your squad, and your second choice is a 37-year-old who effectively retired 18 months ago, that position has been mismanaged.
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I guess, like many of us, management were counting on Walsh taking over the #1 shirt. It seemed as though it was his time, as he'd shown the ability in his few outings until the K.O against Preston. Following that his injury only compounded the issue. Was it bad luck, bad planning, or a bit of both? [Post edited 4 Nov 16:54]
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| W12 podcast on 17:11 - Nov 4 with 1907 views | Northernr |
| W12 podcast on 16:54 - Nov 4 by VancouverHoop |
I guess, like many of us, management were counting on Walsh taking over the #1 shirt. It seemed as though it was his time, as he'd shown the ability in his few outings until the K.O against Preston. Following that his injury only compounded the issue. Was it bad luck, bad planning, or a bit of both? [Post edited 4 Nov 16:54]
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Well it's open to debate isn't it? I would say taking somebody who has played two games of league football in his life (and didn't have good loan spells either btw) and saying you're our Championship keeper, 40 games, off you go was very, very ambitious/naive/arrogant depending how harsh you want to be. Like cobbing your toddler into Plymouth harbour by way of a swimming lesson. Doing that at the same time as you're changing managers and re-inflicting the pass-out-from-the-back stuff, which hasn't worked with these players before, made it doubly difficult for him.
I get the "if not now then when?" stuff, because I said as much in his write ups at the end of last season, but it always made more sense to me to start with a senior keeper (if not Nardi then A N Other) with the aim of easing Walsh in for the second half of the season once we're up and running.
Was that decision driven by the genuine belief that Joe Walsh was really a Championship goalkeeper? Or just this desire to drag down the average age of the team for "the project"? I knew Walsh was likely to be the number one here this season very, very early in the summer and said as much on Gab Sutton's season preview show.
There was an awful lot parroting at the fans forum and from the usual accounts online after Preston that we'd gone from the oldest team in the Championship to the youngest in two years. But that team got its ars handed to it through the first month, and Walsh will do well to recover his career here from what happened to him. Matt Ingram never did.
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| W12 podcast on 17:36 - Nov 4 with 1813 views | simmo |
| W12 podcast on 15:53 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
Same failure as with Paal a year ago.
If you say to somebody in the summer you're no longer wanted, you do then have to move them on. If you end up relying on them for 40+ games that's rarely going to end very well.
If you end up with your first choice as an out-of-form 31-year-old you don't even want in your squad, and your second choice is a 37-year-old who effectively retired 18 months ago, that position has been mismanaged.
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Possibly made even worse by the Dieng rumours. |  |
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| W12 podcast on 17:37 - Nov 4 with 1813 views | VancouverHoop |
I get the "if not now then when?" stuff, because I said as much in his write ups at the end of last season, but it always made more sense to me to start with a senior keeper (if not Nardi then A N Other) with the aim of easing Walsh in for the second half of the season once we're up and running.
So Ben Hamer between the sticks until January then?
I mean this does seem like a significant problem, as Nardi's confidence is totally shot, and his anxiety is spreading to the rest of the defence like a virus. [Post edited 4 Nov 17:37]
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| W12 podcast on 17:50 - Nov 4 with 1749 views | simmo |
| W12 podcast on 17:37 - Nov 4 by VancouverHoop |
I get the "if not now then when?" stuff, because I said as much in his write ups at the end of last season, but it always made more sense to me to start with a senior keeper (if not Nardi then A N Other) with the aim of easing Walsh in for the second half of the season once we're up and running.
So Ben Hamer between the sticks until January then?
I mean this does seem like a significant problem, as Nardi's confidence is totally shot, and his anxiety is spreading to the rest of the defence like a virus. [Post edited 4 Nov 17:37]
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Nardi isn't playing well, but that goes for a lot of the team right now. Dunne, Varane, Vale, Kone have all regressed the last few weeks. It's a collective drop in form, Nardi is just a part of that.
Putting in an old man with as much time between the sticks as me the last few years would be drastic AF. He wasn't even that good to begin with.
The bed is made, Nardi is the guy until Jan at least. | |
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| W12 podcast on 18:10 - Nov 4 with 1668 views | ted_hendrix |
Having supported this club for a long and arduous time I have stood/sat behind some fantastic QPR and England goalkeepers.
Nice while It lasted. |  |
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| W12 podcast on 18:32 - Nov 4 with 1597 views | Northernr |
| W12 podcast on 17:50 - Nov 4 by simmo |
Nardi isn't playing well, but that goes for a lot of the team right now. Dunne, Varane, Vale, Kone have all regressed the last few weeks. It's a collective drop in form, Nardi is just a part of that.
Putting in an old man with as much time between the sticks as me the last few years would be drastic AF. He wasn't even that good to begin with.
The bed is made, Nardi is the guy until Jan at least. |
Yeh Hamer, even when he was 27, is a career back up goalkeeper. He was a starter for Crawley in 06/07, Brentford in 08/09 and Charlton from 2011 to 2014. He hasn't played a game at all for 18 months and in the last 11 years he's got barely 100 appearances to his name for nine different clubs. | | | |
| W12 podcast on 18:47 - Nov 4 with 1514 views | derbyhoop |
| W12 podcast on 15:31 - Nov 4 by Northernr |
The other thing that I meant to say on Nardi, and will perhaps use in the preview, is that the issues with his game are not new and we shouldn't be surprised by them.
Greg Spires when we signed him in his analysis said...
"There was evidence of him being unconvincing, where he stuck to his six-yard-box or waited too long to rush out to attackers....
"... he doesn’t seem as strong or commanding at claiming crosses and high-balls as Dieng or Begovic were, from what I can see."
So where's out data and analytics on that, if the fcking LFW analyst can see that? |
Is that why Walsh had been made first choice? |  |
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| W12 podcast on 18:51 - Nov 4 with 1494 views | Northernr |
| W12 podcast on 18:47 - Nov 4 by derbyhoop |
Is that why Walsh had been made first choice? |
Well yeh it's pretty clear they didn't rate Nardi. The way they've acted on that though was... risky. | | | |
| W12 podcast on 20:16 - Nov 4 with 1363 views | JamesB1979 |
Will have a listen before i head to the game. I’m feeling pretty negative at the moment but I still think our squad is decent. Not playoff standard maybe but we should be more than good enough for mid table. | | | |
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